Julie Rowe

[Scott Lloyd]

How did the Julie Rowe thread end up as a debate on the JST?

 

Future derailers will be removed from the thread instead of their posts.

It started when Gray and Happy Jack Wagon used a KJV passage as a proof text. I countered that the JST rendition of the same passage does not support their point. A discussion on the validity of the JST ensued from there.

 

I apologize for my part in the derail and will say no more about it here.

Edited August 25, 2015 by Scott Lloyd

[ttribe]

It started when Gray and Happy Jack Wagon used a KJV passage as a proof text. I countered that the JST rendition of the same passage does not support their point. A discussion on the validity of the JST transpired from there.

 

I apologize for my part in the derail and will say no more about it here.

 

I was only asking to figure out how the thread went that direction and kind of catch up.  I couldn't figure out the connection between Rowe and the JST.  I was somewhat surprised to see the mods edit my comment the way they did.

[Scott Lloyd]

I was only asking to figure out how the thread went that direction and kind of catch up.  I couldn't figure out the connection between Rowe and the JST.  I was somewhat surprised to see the mods edit my comment the way they did.

You mean it wasn't because you reported us?

[ttribe]

You mean it wasn't because you reported us?

 

Nope.  Scout's Honor.

 

Good one, though.

[omni]

Never mind

Edited August 26, 2015 by omni

[HappyJackWagon]

How did the Julie Rowe thread end up as a debate on the JST?

 

Future derailers will be removed from the thread instead of their posts.

 

I'm confused by the comment on this thread

 

For my part- sorry for the original derail

Edited August 26, 2015 by HappyJackWagon

[Gray]

Sometimes we have misunderstandings about things like the JST because of the way terms are defined.  Take “revelation” for instance.  Some might define it as words that God speaks directly and clearly to the mind of a human.  While others might see revelation as gradual realization over decades and centuries that ends up culminating in some future enlightened perspective, perhaps the changing views on racial discrimination in the church could be viewed as revelatory. 

 

What seems clear to me is that we have examples of both kinds of revelation occurring throughout history.   Some people see more prominence in the simplistic God talking to human revelation, while others might relate better with the evolutionary type of revelation method. 

 

I’m open to both possibilities, however I reject the idea that Joseph wasn’t experimenting as he went along with the JST or D&C or BoA, you name it.  Did he sometimes hear the words of God in his mind, I’m open to that possibility, but he was at other times just speculating, experimenting, justifying, defending, expanding, etc. 

 

Great points. The parst I bolded match my views on revelation

Edited August 26, 2015 by Gray

[bluebell]

Someone on my Facebook feed posted a Glen Beck article where he says that something big and bad is coming and that we all need to have a weeks worth of money in cash and other prepper stuff.

I wonder if he's a follower of Rowe?

Edited August 26, 2015 by bluebell

[HappyJackWagon]

Someone on my Facebook feed posted a Glen Beck article where he says that something big and bad is coming and that we all need to have a weeks worth of money in cash and other prepper stuff.

I wonder if he's a follower of Rowe?

Or Rowe's a follower of Beck

[bluebell]

Or Rowe's a follower of Beck

Could be. I don't follow either of them so...

[hope_for_things]

Great points. The parst I bolded match my views on revelation

 

Thanks Gray.  Nice to know I'm not alone on this.  

[KevinG]

I'm confused by the comment on this thread

 

For my part- sorry for the original derail

 

At least it wasn't an attempt to push Fry Sauce.

[mirkwood]

Wow...I've read some thread drifts in my time....

 

This is my stance on the Julie Rowe's of the world:

 

For some reason, we expect to hear, particularly in welfare sessions, some ominous great predictions of calamities to come. Instead, we hear quiet counsel on ordinary things which, if followed, will protect us in times of great calamity. ~ Boyd K. Packer

 

 

 

I'm not a believer in Rowe or Spencer or the tent city crap.  I am curious about some comments some of you have made.  You refer to those who are practicing the principles of preparedness and self reliance as extreme.  Am I to understand you mean anyone who does food storage and emergency preparations?

[ttribe]

 

 

I'm not a believer in Rowe or Spencer or the tent city crap.  I am curious about some comments some of you have made.  You refer to those who are practicing the principles of preparedness and self reliance as extreme.  Am I to understand you mean anyone who does food storage and emergency preparations?

 

No.  The Mormon-Prepper movement is, by definition, at the extreme end.

[mirkwood]

No.  The Mormon-Prepper movement is, by definition, at the extreme end.

 

How so?

[ttribe]

How so?

 

Speaking only for myself, I was referring to people like the tent folks, for the most part. 

 

IMO, there are some pretty good examples of the extremism in this thread on LDS Freedom Forum: http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=39566

 

Enjoy.

[Calm]

 

I'm not a believer in Rowe or Spencer or the tent city crap.  I am curious about some comments some of you have made.  You refer to those who are practicing the principles of preparedness and self reliance as extreme.  Am I to understand you mean anyone who does food storage and emergency preparations?

Not me.  I see in terms of actual prep as extreme those who invest in doomsday prep and even those only when it is to the point of interfering with day to day life...buying heavy duty tents your family will never used except if you have to abandon your home instead of paying off loans or doing needed repairs one's house kind of thing....when they really stray from what is practical in the here and now.

 

I also see as extreme those who appear to relish the idea of our or someone else's government or economy collapsing, of being proved right in predictions through people suffering, etc.

Edited August 29, 2015 by calmoriah

[halconero]

How so?

 

When one refers to a Mormon-Prepper movement, it doesn't mean individuals, families, or even small groups concerned with emergency preparedness including things like 72-hour kits, a years supply of food, or even fire plans or ownership of firearms. 

A "movement," means a social ideology which predicts, publishes, and even somewhat relishes the collapse of society, widespread disorder, and which prepares not to unite with their ward in a Zion spirit of love, consecrated goods and welfare, and extending hands of fellowship. Instead, as far a movement goes they're generally isolationist, jealous of their own lives and wealth, and generally anticipatory of global/localized collapse.

[Rain]

Someone on my Facebook feed posted a Glen Beck article where he says that something big and bad is coming and that we all need to have a weeks worth of money in cash and other prepper stuff.

I wonder if he's a follower of Rowe?

My brother is getting ready for his first hurricane in florida. Does that count? His wife ran to the store in preparation and got toilet paper, cheetos and dr pepper.

[mirkwood]

Ok, so those of you here that referred to extremism meant, for the most part, the tent city type mentality.  Thanks for clarifying. 

 

That being said, I assume that you all believe in preparedness in spite of the "tentites?"

[halconero]

I can't speak for definitively for everyone else, but I would give a general yes.

My family each has hiking backpack with assorted 72 hour stuff, hatchets, cooking gas/stove, and a couple two man tents, etc etc. We bought them for preparedness, but have also used them for regular hikes and enjoyment. We also didn't break the bank buying them.

For myself since moving out, I've retained some camping cools, emergency supplies, a couple of guns, etc. I keep a map of the city I'm in, and a solar powered phone charger, but in all those things I've found enjoyment as well. I like hiking, I like going to the gun range, and a solar charger is useful in everyday life.

Actually, now that I'm writing this I've thought of a really simple way to put this:

Preparedness is putting things in order in a manner that allows me to live regular life without much worry about what happens in the future. I can attend to my callings, serve others, develop as a disciple, go on hot dates, and make money without stressing.

Prepping Julie Rowe style is putting regular life aside in order to actively worry about and react to a disaster we don't know is there. It impedes the aforementioned activities.

[Calm]

We have got all the stuff, jusr needs to be organized. I do it and past couple of years no spare energy. Hopefully in the next six months we will tidy things up in a more portable way, restock the few things used and get my attempt at food storage functioning again...have to want to cook to use it. Food storage doesn't really work as take out.

Probably get some ammo and guns. Son has picked up hunting with father-in- law and brings home tasty food for decent cost, my husband may join him next year if we get back into cooking.

[jaberwocky]

I've had a couple of friends pull me aside and explain Julie Rowe's prophecies.  I'd love to be a believer - it gives us a feeling of being special, that we're a small group who has the real scoop on the second coming.   However, I went online and listened carefully to her interview on the Krenshaw Show.  He asked her questions about pretty much every major historical figure, and amazingly, she had an answer for all of them.  I don't doubt what is written in the Bible, but I'm pretty confident that it isn't all-encompassing in terms of who God spoke to throughout history.  It's too convenient that she only met the big hitters in history - Noah, Moses, Adam, etc.  Why is there no mention from Julie on the women throughout history?  Her description of the world is just as misogynous as the people who compiled the Bible.

 

Here's where she completely lost me - Krenshaw asked her about Noah and about how he gathered all the animals.  She explained that a bit, which was fine.  Then, he asked her about the 2014 movie Noah.  She said that the Lord notified her about a year earlier that this movie would be coming out, and that it would not be a true reflection of how it actually happened.  Really?  First, why would the Lord give Julie such secret information about the release date of a major Hollywood motion picture?  He could potentially get sued over such an announcement.  Also, why would he care?  Did he announce to someone that Cecile B. DeMille was going to use no real Jewish actors in the Ten Commandments?  That would have been good information to have.

 

Too much of what she says is conveniently lodged in our American, and particularly, Utah culture.  Over millions of years of history are we to believe that the highlights are only things we already somewhat know about?  Where is the new information?  Also, why is the information she provides hundreds of times more detailed than anything Joseph Smith ever said?

 

Do I think she's a charlatan?  It's hard to say because she comes across as not really wanting a lot of publicity.  My guess is that she had a very vivid dream that included her own already formed ideas about things.  The thing that concerns me is that people, like my friend, believe every word she says.  They're trying to figure out if they're close enough to tent cities.  They're assuming that the next President will be Hillary.  And on and on.  Finally, if she is so able and willing to give us such detailed information why even bother to listen to President Monson?  He basically just tells us to live good lives.  It's much more fun to get into the dirty details.

[Calm]

" It's hard to say because she comes across as not really wanting a lot of publicity."

And yet she attended many conferences to speak and sign books as well as appearing on a number of radio interviews.

And even when she was getting blasted in the media for her book being listed in the Spurious Materials list for CES, she listed on her website about ten or so of the most well known news outlets that referred to her...without activating the link so people had to take a couple of extra steps to go to it to see it was mostly criticism and not approval.

She releases detailed information about her visions after the fact...like her vision of her trailer they bought. When her predictions of something big happening on certain days in September fell through, it becomes a symbolic starting of the end. No major plague outbreak or other stuff claimed.

[jaberwocky]

I'd love to respond to what you wrote but it's incoherent.  Are you criticizing me or Julie Rowe?  Try to make a concise point and I'll see if I can help you better understand.