A House Of Order, A House Of God

[Calm]

First one up:

 

http://www.fairmormon.org/perspectives/fair-conferences/2015-fairmormon-conference/a-house-of-order-a-house-of-god

 

Apologetics is a very broad field and different topics can involve extremely different audiences. My topic today is a little delicate, because the audience I hope to reach is a certain group of members of the church, good and faithful and well-meaning members, who believe in God, believe in Joseph Smith’s calling as a prophet, and have no problem with most of the doctrines and truth claims of the Restoration. You may now wonder why on earth I’m even up here. The unfortunate reality is that even for such a faithful person, there’s still the possibility of spiritual danger. One particular spiritual threat is gaining strength among some church members, particularly via the internet. What we’re seeing is a modern spin on an old song–that the church has lost its way, church leaders are not inspired or in favor with God, so God has raised up new leaders outside the church hierarchy whose visions and teachings are important for us to follow. It is likely you know someone who finds this narrative persuasive, or at least intriguing, even if you don’t know that they do. It is also possible that you and I have some seemingly harmless beliefs that can lead to this danger....

 

 

[theplains]

First one up:

 

http://www.fairmormon.org/perspectives/fair-conferences/2015-fairmormon-conference/a-house-of-order-a-house-of-god

 

Regarding this part: "What we’re seeing is a modern spin on an old song–that the church has lost its way,

church leaders are not inspired or in favor with God, so God has raised up new leaders outside the church

hierarchy whose visions and teachings are important for us to follow."

 

I am not aware of any of these new LDS leaders outside the church hierarchy.

 

Thanks,

Jim

[Duncan]

Regarding this part: "What we’re seeing is a modern spin on an old song–that the church has lost its way,

church leaders are not inspired or in favor with God, so God has raised up new leaders outside the church

hierarchy whose visions and teachings are important for us to follow."

 

I am not aware of any of these new LDS leaders outside the church hierarchy.

 

Thanks,

Jim

 

she didn't say LDS leaders outside the Church, just "new leaders"

[Calm]

Regarding this part: "What we’re seeing is a modern spin on an old song–that the church has lost its way,

church leaders are not inspired or in favor with God, so God has raised up new leaders outside the church

hierarchy whose visions and teachings are important for us to follow."

 

I am not aware of any of these new LDS leaders outside the church hierarchy.

 

Thanks,

Jim

Then you can be thankful.

[Avatar4321]

I liked it. Sums things up nicely

[Senator]

After reading this address I can understand why an outsider might view the church as a cult.

 

It's just a good thing her apologetic was in defense of the true cult of Jesus Christ.

 

The trick is in getting people to understand that.

[Avatar4321]

So other than calling us a cult, did you ha e anything to add?

[Senator]

So other than calling us a cult, did you ha e anything to add?

Think on what I said it a little more.

[Five Solas]

Then you can be thankful.

Confess I'm a bit mystified myself.  Who are these "new leaders?"  Would "Denver Snuffer" be an example she has in view or someone else?

 

I did find her line, "I'm sure you're still a wonderful person" in her last paragraph humorous.  If someone invested the time to read her 100+ paragraphs carefully & therein found real offense--that line would have felt more than a little condescending.

 

--Erik

[Vanguard]

Confess I'm a bit mystified myself.  Who are these "new leaders?"  Would "Denver Snuffer" be an example she has in view or someone else?

 

I did find her line, "I'm sure you're still a wonderful person" in her last paragraph humorous.  If someone invested the time to read her 100+ paragraphs carefully & therein found real offense--that line would have felt more than a little condescending.

 

--Erik

 

Yes, I think this is exactly the type of individual Cal is referring to. I agree with her. I myself have a close friend who runs in Snuffer's circles. This friend is a good man though he has adopted the very language that the article addresses (i.e., he believes the current leadership is without authority and there are those who have been recently excommunicated who now need to carry the torch of the Gospel). My friend's position is a bit disconcerting though I have to respect his "conscientious objector" stance. I wonder how we could now be so far apart regards to the gospel that once bound us so powerfully...