CA Steve Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 They will have to drop somewhat because there isn't going to be another time going forward when you have an overlap of older and younger missionaries. Maybe. But at the same time I think there will be a steady rise in the number of YW that go due to increased expectations for women to serve. That may make up for the overlap in the age change.
jkwilliams Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Maybe. But at the same time I think there will be a steady rise in the number of YW that go due to increased expectations for women to serve. That may make up for the overlap in the age change. I think the YW will offset the YM to some degree, but not entirely. Who knows? It's all just speculation.
canard78 Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 Imagine the power of righteousness breaking off the yoke of oppression. God can do miracles.So he's just biding his time right now???
Calm Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) That may make up for the overlap in the age change.The announcement was made in Oct 2012. When do you think the overlap will be gone by? Edited July 21, 2015 by calmoriah
CA Steve Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 The announcement was made in Oct 2012. When do you think the overlap will be gone by?I don't know. I would expect most of the overlap would be gone by now. Are there any hard numbers broken down by age to compare?
Calm Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) I would assume these are relatively up to date since they are for the press as well as general public: http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/facts-and-statistics 85,147 Missionaries currently serving OTOH, this page states: More than 88,000 missionaries are serving missions for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints at any one time http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/topic/missionary-program Unfortunately neither says when they were updated. I don't know of any broken down by age. Edited July 21, 2015 by calmoriah
Bernard Gui Posted July 22, 2015 Author Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) Kenngo said, P.S.: Oh, and in answer to the OP, the first missionaries sent to Cuba will come from the Dominican Republic (or perhaps they will be Spanish-speaking missionaries sent from a Florida mission, but I think there would be less of a cultural transition for them if they came from the DR). And eventually, I think 101 missionaries will be sent to Cuba (50 companionships and one threesome. )Well, that would be 103 missionaries. Cinquenta por dos mas tres son ciento tres, no? Edited July 22, 2015 by Bernard Gui
jkwilliams Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 It will be very interesting to see how things shake out. My sister-in-law is Cuban, and her father was jailed for a few years by the Castro regime before being exiled to the US. Needless to say, her family despises the Cuban government, and there are a lot of hard feelings between the exile community in the US and those who remained in Cuba. I doubt missionaries will go in anytime soon, as the regime there is still hostile to religion in general and suspicious of anything coming from the US. But resuming diplomatic relations is a good first step in ending the pointless and counterproductive embargo. 2
Bernard Gui Posted July 22, 2015 Author Posted July 22, 2015 It will be very interesting to see how things shake out. My sister-in-law is Cuban, and her father was jailed for a few years by the Castro regime before being exiled to the US. Needless to say, her family despises the Cuban government, and there are a lot of hard feelings between the exile community in the US and those who remained in Cuba. I doubt missionaries will go in anytime soon, as the regime there is still hostile to religion in general and suspicious of anything coming from the US. But resuming diplomatic relations is a good first step in ending the pointless and counterproductive embargo.What is the status of other religions in Cuba? Catholic, Evangelical, Jehovah Witnesses?
Kenngo1969 Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) Well, that would be 103 missionaries.Cinquenta por dos mas tres son ciento tres, no? I was counting the threesome as a companionship plus one, not as a separate threesome. I should have said 49 companionships and one threesome. I shall repair my post forthwith to reflect that. Lo siento por la confusión. Edited July 22, 2015 by Kenngo1969 1
Scott Lloyd Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 But clearly not concerned enough to have reservations about expanding in such countries. In the Ukraine, for example, the church is not allowed to own land. They rent all their properties and the landlord (the government) can and does go in any time they want to inspect. Despite this, the church keeps on expanding there.I'm fairly certain the Church does not enter a country recklessly or without assessing the risk of problems that could develop.
Scott Lloyd Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 For the record, I doubt it will ever go back to the pre-surge level. More young men will go because a mission will be the next logical step after high school. And more young women will go because the age is lower. That said, I also don't believe the number will continue to be as high as it is now because there was a predictable jump at the beginning. After things stabilize, I expect to see marginally higher numbers of young men and significantly higher numbers of young women. Not that I'm prophesying or anything.Please click on the link and read the dialogue. When I began the thread, the number had already stabliized. As predicted, it had decreased after the surge, but what surprised the Missionary Department was that it had not fallen nearly as much as expected. That's when Mike said he "suspected" the number would fall back "within two or three years." I pressed him for detail on what he meant, whether the number would fall back to what it was before the surge, but he would not say. So, for the purpose of tracking, I'm going to assume a prediction that it would go back down to what it was before the change in ages.
Scott Lloyd Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 They will have to drop somewhat because there isn't going to be another time going forward when you have an overlap of older and younger missionaries. See my last post. You're talking about the surge. That has already passed, but the numbers are still way higher than before.
Scott Lloyd Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) I don't know. I would expect most of the overlap would be gone by now. Are there any hard numbers broken down by age to compare?People, please click on my link and go back and read the thread from January. The overlap had already passed by then. Edited to add: Here, for reference, is my story that I Iinked to in the thread last January in which it was stated that the surge has passed but the number of missionaries remains apace. Edited July 22, 2015 by Scott Lloyd 1
Scott Lloyd Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 I would assume these are relatively up to date since they are for the press as well as general public: http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/facts-and-statistics 85,147 Missionaries currently serving OTOH, this page states: http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/topic/missionary-program Unfortunately neither says when they were updated. I don't know of any broken down by age.I don't think either source is very fresh. The 85,000 number is taken from the statistical report that is read in April general conference, which means it covers statistics up through the end of 2014.
rockpond Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 I think under the current regime, it would be problematic. Imagine the Castro brothers being able to seize Church assets on a whim. I agree with you on it being problematic but not in terms of assets. We could just lease space rather than owning property. Granted that wouldn't work for a temple, but we don't need to own our meetinghouses or missionary housing.
Scott Lloyd Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 I agree with you on it being problematic but not in terms of assets. We could just lease space rather than owning property. Granted that wouldn't work for a temple, but we don't need to own our meetinghouses or missionary housing.True.
CV75 Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) Interesting article:https://www.lds.org/church/news/elder-holland-creates-second-branch-in-cuba?lang=eng “Though the Church is not yet registered in Cuba, government officials in the Department of Religious Affairs have welcomed the Church since 2004, when the first Cuban Branch was organized, and have assisted the Church in its efforts to locate suitable places to worship.” Edited July 22, 2015 by CV75
Scott Lloyd Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 Interesting article:https://www.lds.org/church/news/elder-holland-creates-second-branch-in-cuba?lang=eng “Though the Church is not yet registered in Cuba, government officials in the Department of Religious Affairs have welcomed the Church since 2004, when the first Cuban Branch was organized, and have assisted the Church in its efforts to locate suitable places to worship.”Thanks for this. I was either unaware of it or had forgotten it. I should read my own publication more closely.
CV75 Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 Thanks for this. I was either unaware of it or had forgotten it. I should read my own publication more closely.Ha-ha... check the archives for more photos of the last mission conference before the revolution:
Robert F. Smith Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 I think under the current regime, it would be problematic. Imagine the Castro brothers being able to seize Church assets on a whim.Communist regimes generally like the Mormons and don't cause them trouble. Any missionaries sent by the Church are likely to be from countries other than the USA. That way, the suspicion that these guys in white shirts are CIA or FBI will be allayed. What I would llike to know is, how many Mormons currently live in Cuba (Cuban citizens)?
Bernard Gui Posted July 23, 2015 Author Posted July 23, 2015 Interesting article:https://www.lds.org/church/news/elder-holland-creates-second-branch-in-cuba?lang=eng “Though the Church is not yet registered in Cuba, government officials in the Department of Religious Affairs have welcomed the Church since 2004, when the first Cuban Branch was organized, and have assisted the Church in its efforts to locate suitable places to worship.”Thanks for the info.
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