mass168 Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 With the idea of an open Canon and continuing revelation, how do LDS know that they have everything they need to know about the plan of salvation? How do they know that the Gospel will not be entirely different in 1000 years, modified by revelation?
The Nehor Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 With the idea of an open Canon and continuing revelation, how do LDS know that they have everything they need to know about the plan of salvation? How do they know that the Gospel will not be entirely different in 1000 years, modified by revelation?Because if I needed it now I would have it now. As the restoration continues new things will be revealed. I will not be damned for not following what I did not get. Besides I can always watch from the next life and follow along as needed. 1
CV75 Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) With the idea of an open Canon and continuing revelation, how do LDS know that they have everything they need to know about the plan of salvation? How do they know that the Gospel will not be entirely different in 1000 years, modified by revelation?I think most of us just claim to know that we know enough, and that salvation's path (the way of the Lord) is straight, so that future revelation on the plan of salvation continues to build on prior revelations given along that same path. Edited January 15, 2015 by CV75
JLHPROF Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 With the idea of an open Canon and continuing revelation, how do LDS know that they have everything they need to know about the plan of salvation? How do they know that the Gospel will not be entirely different in 1000 years, modified by revelation? Continuing revelation means additional information, not contradictory information.The gospel is eternal, all that changes is how much God chooses to dispense to the earth at any given time.
mass168 Posted January 16, 2015 Author Posted January 16, 2015 (edited) Because if I needed it now I would have it now. As the restoration continues new things will be revealed. I will not be damned for not following what I did not get. Besides I can always watch from the next life and follow along as needed.This is a nice thing to find comfort in and believe. Hypothetically though, can you not think of any situation where something would be revealed in the future that was actually necessary for salvation? Say, another step in the process of repentance for example. The time for repentance is clearly stated in scripture to be in this life only. Edited January 16, 2015 by mass168
mass168 Posted January 16, 2015 Author Posted January 16, 2015 Continuing revelation means additional information, not contradictory information.The gospel is eternal, all that changes is how much God chooses to dispense to the earth at any given time.There has never been any contradictory information revealed?
The Nehor Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 This is a nice thing to find comfort in and believe. Hypothetically though, can you not think of any situation where something would be revealed in the future that was actually necessary for salvation? Say, another step in the process of repentance for example. The time for repentance is clearly stated in scripture to be in this life only. I can hypothetically believe that only if I imagine God as a twisted demon waiting to catch us with a "gotcha" at the Last Day. Fortunately I have a little more faith in the goodness of God then that. I can accept that there may be some aspect of repentance I need that I am neglecting or have misunderstood or something specific to me existing but then I expect that God will let me know via revelation in that case. Again, if he doesn't then we are back to the twisted demon theory of God. 1
The Nehor Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 There has never been any contradictory information revealed? Looks like we got a live one here.
JAHS Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 (edited) This is a nice thing to find comfort in and believe. Hypothetically though, can you not think of any situation where something would be revealed in the future that was actually necessary for salvation? Say, another step in the process of repentance for example. The time for repentance is clearly stated in scripture to be in this life only. One thing that will be revealed in the future is the process of resurrection, which is definitely required for salvation. But we don't need to know how to do it yet. Edited January 16, 2015 by JAHS 1
Avatar4321 Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 The Lord will continue to reveal more as we are ready to learn it. The scriptures make that clear. Why wouldn't He?
ERayR Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 The Lord will continue to reveal more as we are ready to learn it. The scriptures make that clear. Why wouldn't He? I have often thought it would be fun to know how to move planets around to organize things for mortal habitation.
mass168 Posted January 16, 2015 Author Posted January 16, 2015 I can hypothetically believe that only if I imagine God as a twisted demon waiting to catch us with a "gotcha" at the Last Day. Fortunately I have a little more faith in the goodness of God then that.I can accept that there may be some aspect of repentance I need that I am neglecting or have misunderstood or something specific to me existing but then I expect that God will let me know via revelation in that case. Again, if he doesn't then we are back to the twisted demon theory of God.The twisted demon god theory is not the only one that works in this case..
mass168 Posted January 16, 2015 Author Posted January 16, 2015 The Lord will continue to reveal more as we are ready to learn it. The scriptures make that clear. Why wouldn't He?Can our knowledge grow through re-considering that which is already revealed?
The Nehor Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 The twisted demon god theory is not the only one that works in this case.. Then please share your alternate theory with the whole class.
Avatar4321 Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 Can our knowledge grow through re-considering that which is already revealed?Possibly. But without continuing revelation how would anything be revealed to you in the first place?We are to live off more than bread alone. We are supposed to live off every word from the mouth of God. That's impossible if we tell God He can't say anymore.I can't imagine life without the gift of the Holy Ghost
JLHPROF Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 There has never been any contradictory information revealed? I don't believe there have ever been any contradictions revealed from God. I believe men have taught contradictory theories.
Michael Sanders Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 With the idea of an open Canon and continuing revelation, how do LDS know that they have everything they need to know about the plan of salvation? How do they know that the Gospel will not be entirely different in 1000 years, modified by revelation?By what authority was the canon closed? Who determined what the canon consisted of? Was there consensus? Even so, did God ever declare it to be so? Who would want God to stop speaking or revealing himself? Sounds like an unscriptural doctrine to me.http://www.mb-soft.com/believe/txc/septuagi.htm#canonMichael SandersBook of Mormon BelieverIndependence, MO 1
Avatar4321 Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 It s a completely unbiblical concept. The idea that we will not receive any more of the Word of God seems to me to be an insult to the Holy Spirit. Because He is God and a revelator and anything He tells to man is literally the word of God.the only way for there to be more scripture and for the Bible to be all there is would be for the Holy Spirit to be silent. And yet throughout the new testament we had the apostles and others giving men the gift of the holy ghost. Why would the Lord send them out to do this if there is no more revelation and we can receive no more than is in the bible?can men be authorized to act in Gods name and perform ordinances of the gospel of they deny that revelation exists outside the bible? So how can any church that believes the bible to be all the is Be true? 1
mass168 Posted January 16, 2015 Author Posted January 16, 2015 It s a completely unbiblical concept. The idea that we will not receive any more of the Word of God seems to me to be an insult to the Holy Spirit. Because He is God and a revelator and anything He tells to man is literally the word of God. Is it really though? Hebrews 1 1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of allthings, by whom also he made the worlds;
mass168 Posted January 16, 2015 Author Posted January 16, 2015 (edited) I don't believe there have ever been any contradictions revealed from God. I believe men have taught contradictory theories.Jacob 2:24 says that God considered David's and Solomon's polygamy as "abominable before me." (See also Jacob 1:15, 3:5.) Compare God's attitude to: D&C 132:38-39 God says that David and Solomon did not sin in having more than one wife, and David's wives were "given unto him of me." Did these come from man or from God? Edited January 16, 2015 by mass168
mass168 Posted January 16, 2015 Author Posted January 16, 2015 Then please share your alternate theory with the whole class.In short, there is a line of thinking that says Ephesians 2:8-9 really means what it says, and Christ accomplished everything we will ever need. Temple work etc. is not required, it has all been completed. If you take that view then it is not too far a stretch to say that no further revelation is needed.
mfbukowski Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 (edited) With the idea of an open Canon and continuing revelation, how do LDS know that they have everything they need to know about the plan of salvation? How do they know that the Gospel will not be entirely different in 1000 years, modified by revelation? How do you know what you believe is right? It is clear to me that you are wrong in your presumptions. Clearly you know nothing about salvation OR revelation. Edited January 16, 2015 by mfbukowski
mass168 Posted January 16, 2015 Author Posted January 16, 2015 How do you know what you believe is right? It is clear to me that you are wrong in your presumptions. Clearly you know nothing about salvation OR revelation. Did I state anywhere in there I know I am 100% right? I asked a question of the LDS crowd.
Avatar4321 Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 Is it really though? Hebrews 1 1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of allthings, by whom also he made the worlds; yes. You really dont understand the scriptures do you?what is the role of the Holy Ghost and when did He stop acting within the Church? 1
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