cacheman Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 No. With perhaps the exception of an extremely gifted researcher here and there.The athletic department brings in the revenue. The importance of the team coach in that process varies from school to school. If we're going to assume that the coach is the one responsible for the revenue, then it would be more appropriate to compare his salary and revenue generation, with that of a department chair and their respective department (ie. the biology department). You can't compare a 'program' to a 'professor'. It would be interesting to see the ratio of funds paid out in salaries vs. funds generated in the different departments at different universities. I don't believe that revenue generation will necessarily correlate with salaries. For example, it's common to see STEM departments bring in a lot more revenue than a business department. However, business professors are typically paid much better... and professors in the humanities typically bring in less revenue but have salaries close to what a biology professor would have. A friend of mine was a former professor and department chair at Vanderbilt. She was personally responsible for bringing in many millions of dollars, and oversaw the generation of many more millions. Her salary never exceeded 20% of what the coach of a mediocre Vanderbilt football team was paid. I can't think of a department that has an easier time generating funds than athletic departments. Even universities that have teams with losing records will often be quite successful in raising funds for their athletic program.
katherine the great Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 The athletic department brings in the revenue. The importance of the team coach in that process varies from school to school. If we're going to assume that the coach is the one responsible for the revenue, then it would be more appropriate to compare his salary and revenue generation, with that of a department chair and their respective department (ie. the biology department). You can't compare a 'program' to a 'professor'.It would be interesting to see the ratio of funds paid out in salaries vs. funds generated in the different departments at different universities. I don't believe that revenue generation will necessarily correlate with salaries. For example, it's common to see STEM departments bring in a lot more revenue than a business department. However, business professors are typically paid much better... and professors in the humanities typically bring in less revenue but have salaries close to what a biology professor would have. A friend of mine was a former professor and department chair at Vanderbilt. She was personally responsible for bringing in many millions of dollars, and oversaw the generation of many more millions. Her salary never exceeded 20% of what the coach of a mediocre Vanderbilt football team was paid.I can't think of a department that has an easier time generating funds than athletic departments. Even universities that have teams with losing records will often be quite successful in raising funds for their athletic program. Not sure what this has to do with my comment but okay.
Calm Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 (edited) I am for building Zion where there are no rich or poor and all share equal alike and have all things in common and all work hard in Zion. That means that if everyone is doing their job correctly, all get paid basically the same.At a previous university my husband worked at, the English professors were able to force an equal sharing of fundraising results no matter what college came up with it. From what I could see the result was fundraising fell off because those who brought in the big bucks for their department now saw little benefit from their work and those who before worked and didn't get much stopped working becuase they figured they would get more just from the shareout. It isn't Zion yet. Edited December 24, 2014 by calmoriah
Calm Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 We dont use the football program as a missionary tool, nor is it used a s a means to get people out to church on Sunday, or anything spiritual at all. I would disagree based on what I've heard. Often the players give firesides at places where they are playing. 1
Garden Girl Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 A teacher/coach salary says a lot about what we hold in the highest of regards. At BYU, sadly, its Football just like all other worldly college programs that do the same. BYU is no different. We dont use the football program as a missionary tool, nor is it used a s a means to get people out to church on Sunday, or anything spiritual at all. Its not that I have something against playing football at BYU, its that our program is just a worldly worship where it holds clout over all else at the church owned school. When we play at the edge of "dirty" to be more competetive all it does is show the world that we too arent any different- that we are worldly too. I dont know, I am kind of the opinion to just get rid of sports entirely from church ran schools. You're entitled to your opinions of course, Rob... and I'm entitled to disagree with them...You say the football program isn't a missionary tool... nor used for anything spiritual at all... at all? It's my understanding that the team "firesides" on the eve of a game are quite popular... in fact 900 people showed up for the one held on the eve of the Miami Bowl game. At these firesides are inspirational talks and prayers by University and general Church people... like the coaches and some players, and people like stake presidents, Steve Young, etc. I know that football and basketball are wildly popular... and bring in the most revenue... but are you unfamiliar with other programs such as the Young Ambassadors that traveled internationally... the Ballroom Dance program (that has become so good that it has won competitions for the past number of years so that they went international to compete)... the campus choirs. and on and on... all of which probably benefit in some way from revenues generated by sports programs. And as far as academics, there was an award given for academic excellence... and the GPAa for the Women's Volleyball Team were announced with our #1 blocker, Amy Boswell, carrying a 3.92 GPA in the Nursing program... and the other girls right behind her in their fields of study... It's like when I was at the Agric Exper Station... when we got fed funds for our research projects through grant monies, these monies went to the varous departments, which then allowed department funds to be used for other department expenses (but not fac salaries) such as research assistants, lab assts, etc., in support of the research projects. I bet there are funds that go to BYU departments that increases dept monies to be used to support depts such as teaching assts... take away those funds generated through sports programs and dept budgets would be reduced and fac would have to lay off teaching assts etc etc... And, to do away with the sports programs would take away a very positive influence and part of campus life and the university experience, IMO... GG 2
ERayR Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 You're entitled to your opinions of course, Rob... and I'm entitled to disagree with them...You say the football program isn't a missionary tool... nor used for anything spiritual at all... at all? It's my understanding that the team "firesides" on the eve of a game are quite popular... in fact 900 people showed up for the one held on the eve of the Miami Bowl game. At these firesides are inspirational talks and prayers by University and general Church people... like the coaches and some players, and people like stake presidents, Steve Young, etc. I know that football and basketball are wildly popular... and bring in the most revenue... but are you unfamiliar with other programs such as the Young Ambassadors that traveled internationally... the Ballroom Dance program (that has become so good that it has won competitions for the past number of years so that they went international to compete)... the campus choirs. and on and on... all of which probably benefit in some way from revenues generated by sports programs. And as far as academics, there was an award given for academic excellence... and the GPAa for the Women's Volleyball Team were announced with our #1 blocker, Amy Boswell, carrying a 3.92 GPA in the Nursing program... and the other girls right behind her in their fields of study... It's like when I was at the Agric Exper Station... when we got fed funds for our research projects through grant monies, these monies went to the varous departments, which then allowed department funds to be used for other department expenses (but not fac salaries) such as research assistants, lab assts, etc., in support of the research projects. I bet there are funds that go to BYU departments that increases dept monies to be used to support depts such as teaching assts... take away those funds generated through sports programs and dept budgets would be reduced and fac would have to lay off teaching assts etc etc... And, to do away with the sports programs would take away a very positive influence and part of campus life and the university experiencn that is just the reason that Coach Mendenhal e, IMO... GG And that is the reason Coach Mendenhall should have a serious session with his players about post game on field activities. 1
Thinking Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 I have no doubt that Bronco Mendenhall has instructed his players to NOT retaliate in that type of situation. The only way to make sure that players think twice before retaliating is for Bronco to dish out significant discipline. This might be difficult for the seniors who have played their last game. Perhaps their varsity letters can be withheld until some sort of service is performed and letters of apology are delivered to Memphis.
Rob Osborn Posted December 25, 2014 Posted December 25, 2014 I could give a spiritual fireside on the eve of a game. The program itself, what the world sees, is not centered on spirituality, its centered on winning, money, etc.
ERayR Posted December 25, 2014 Posted December 25, 2014 I could give a spiritual fireside on the eve of a game. The program itself, what the world sees, is not centered on spirituality, its centered on winning, money, etc. What is wrong with winning and money? I don't know what your etc. is.
Flyonthewall Posted December 25, 2014 Posted December 25, 2014 Tonight I watched "After Further Review" on BYU-TV and they showed the video and commented on what had happened... and it was several Memphis players that went right up to BYU players tauntingly and a BYU player pushed the Memphis player away, then another Memphis player threw a punch and that started it... the video showed a BYU player on the ground and a couple of Memphis players kicking and hitting him... The boy with the bloody face escalated things... his actions were inexcusable according to AFR... The real sad thing is that the news media is focusing on the fight instead of what a wonderful and exciting game it was on both sides. BYU should have "turned the other cheek" at Memphis... but they didn't and let's hope they learned something. You don't know that he gets paid $1,000,000+.... You still don't "know it." You're jumping in on Rob's speculation. If Coach M. makes that type of salary, he is a piker compared to other coaches... and knowing the Church, I actually doubt he gets paid in the Million(s). There was some talk of Oregon also, but they hired someone else... I think, knowing the Church, that Coach M is paid on the conservative side vs what some coaches make, particularly some of the power 5 schools, etc.. Just think of the millions BYU makes on its Cougar Wear alone... and everything else to do with the program. And by the way, how many other schools do you know that hold team "Firesides" with inspirational talks and prayers the night before a game... The Miami hotel that housed BYU had only the best of comments and impressions for the team. And numerous others the same way when coming in contact with BYU players and staff... BYU represented itself well wherever they went... and its too bad some of that isn't the focus of the media instead of the fight... GGFWIW.... I reviewed the film and this is what I saw... There was a Memphis player that shoved BYU's #56, which made him run into #97 of Memphis... it looked like BYU did the first shove because of when the video starts, but it was not. After #56 ran into #97 of Memphis, he turned around to see who shoved him... that is when #97 started hitting #56 on the helmet...when #56 defended himself, two other Memphis players started wailing on him, one with his helmet. I agree, BYU #12's actions were not justifiable, and looked horrible. He will get a big dose of punishment for it IMHO. This was not an indicator of BYU and what they stand for, nor should it be a reason to pull the plug on football. I think what will matter most is BYU's actions in how they handle the discipline. That will be a better indicator of what they stand for. 4
rodheadlee Posted December 25, 2014 Author Posted December 25, 2014 So for 7million bucks we can muddy the name of the Church but don't smoke a cigarette or drink a cup of coffee or you are a second class Mormon.
Svawd Posted December 25, 2014 Posted December 25, 2014 They already dropped the football program when they hired bronco.
Garden Girl Posted December 25, 2014 Posted December 25, 2014 They already dropped the football program when they hired bronco. From what I've heard the commentators say, Coach M. has widespread respect and a positive reputation as an individual, and as a coach. GG
tonie Posted December 25, 2014 Posted December 25, 2014 I think we should be careful when collegiate sports programs are cash cows or generate revenue. A good read on the subject is from the The Knight Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics: "It is the goal of the Knight Commission on Intercollegiate Athletics to ensure that intercollegiate athletics programs operate within the educational mission of their colleges and universities."
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