ERayR Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 I dont see why a college coach should get paid more than any other teacher at the school. Who do we worship? God or Mammon? Do the other teachers generate many millions in revenue for the school?
bluebell Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 Here-http://www.deseretnews.com/article/695197060/Y-extends-Broncos-pact.html?pg=allI personally believe that if we do have church owned schools and that we have school ran sports programs that the coaches should get basically the same pay as the other employees. If we cant do that and instead pay competetive pay for that job then we should ditch the sports programs because otherwise it shows that at the top of our program is not God but Football and it only shows we worship football as our god.I'm unsure how having everyone at a university get paid the same says anything about God being the first priority. 3
katherine the great Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 Do the other teachers generate many millions in revenue for the school? No. With perhaps the exception of an extremely gifted researcher here and there.
ERayR Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 Fair market value just shows what we worship more. We have made sports so competitive and worthy of great worship that we pay the coaches more than the doctors who save the lives of our loved ones. Just shows where our hearts are. Thats all. Fact of life, it takes big $$$ to run a university. Universities scramble for those $'s. A good NCAA sports program generates a lot of $'s which provide facilities and scholarships in other programs.
katherine the great Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 I dont make that much money in my profession and I work hard at what I do. The difference between me and a McDonalds worker is maybe 8,000 dollars a year. I honestly wish we would raise the minimum wage. My wife works at Walmart part time, makes minimum wage and it disgusts me that they do not treat their employees better. Its all about corporate greed. Minimum wage is designed for entry-level jobs. It is not and never was meant to be able to support a family on. The idea is that people work their way up through hard work and dedication. If your wife is working for Walmart I would suggest she find a different job. There are many companies out there that are much more progressive in the payscales.
ERayR Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 Estimates done with a google search. Elaborate please. Show your calculations and the supporting data.
katherine the great Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 I'm unsure how having everyone at a university get paid the same says anything about God being the first priority. Unless every penny of the excess goes to the poor.
ERayR Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 Not for everyone, many go without ever touching on the sports aspect at all. Except for the support dollars, generated by the sports program, poured into their program.
Rob Osborn Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 I'm unsure how having everyone at a university get paid the same says anything about God being the first priority.A teacher/coach salary says a lot about what we hold in the highest of regards. At BYU, sadly, its Football just like all other worldly college programs that do the same. BYU is no different. We dont use the football program as a missionary tool, nor is it used a s a means to get people out to church on Sunday, or anything spiritual at all. Its not that I have something against playing football at BYU, its that our program is just a worldly worship where it holds clout over all else at the church owned school. When we play at the edge of "dirty" to be more competetive all it does is show the world that we too arent any different- that we are worldly too. I dont know, I am kind of the opinion to just get rid of sports entirely from church ran schools. 1
Rob Osborn Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 Fact of life, it takes big $$$ to run a university. Universities scramble for those $'s. A good NCAA sports program generates a lot of $'s which provide facilities and scholarships in other programs.What about BYU-Idaho, where do they get the funding? Arent they a good school also? And they did away with sports didnt they?
ERayR Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 I am for building Zion where there are no rich or poor and all share equal alike and have all things in common and all work hard in Zion. That means that if everyone is doing their job correctly, all get paid basically the same. You have a erroneous concept of the united order. 1
ERayR Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 I personally believe that if we do have church owned schools and that we have school ran sports programs that the coaches should get basically the same pay as the other employees. If we cant do that and instead pay competetive pay for that job then we should ditch the sports programs because otherwise it shows that at the top of our program is not God but Football and it only shows we worship football as our god. Not all BYU professors get paid the same. There is a wide discrepancy in compensation between the different disciplines and all professors get paid more than say the janitorial staff.
ERayR Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 What about BYU-Idaho, where do they get the funding? Arent they a good school also? And they did away with sports didnt they? My guess. As it is part of the CES and under the BYU umbrella money generated by the sports programs finds its way to BYU-Idaho and Hawaii.
Rob Osborn Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 Elaborate please. Show your calculations and the supporting data.http://coacheshotseat.com/SalariesContracts.htmhttp://m.deseretnews.com/splash?skipSplash=true&platform=android-tab&isWebView=0&requestedURI=/article/695197060/Y-extends-Broncos-pact.html?pg=allhttp://college-football-coaches.findthebest.com/q/76/3950/How-much-is-Head-Coach-Bronco-Mendenhall-paid?
Kenngo1969 Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 (edited) From Rob's link, re: Coach Mendenhall's salary: But the new pact may elevate Mendenhall closer to the top of the league in compensation, a spot currently held by TCU coach Gary Patterson ($952,000), according toCoacheshoteseat.com, an Internet site that lists contracts and salaries of college coaches. That same site estimates Mendenhall's salary at $900,000, but this figure is unconfirmed. Sources say Mendenhall was hired for half that in 2005. So basically, all we have is your repetition of someone else's best guess. Gotcha. Thanks fer playin'! P.S.: And "Coaches Hot Seat" refers to "compensation" without breaking it down. So, as I also said above, that could be total compensation, which, if it includes a lot of "perks" and benefits, may include only a comparatively-modest salary in that figure. Edited December 24, 2014 by Kenngo1969 2
Rob Osborn Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 From Rob's link, re: Coach Mendenhall's salary: So basically, all we have is your repetition of someone else's best guess. Gotcha. Thanks fer playin'! Here-" 59 Bronco Mendenhall BYU 48 MWC $2,000,000" http://coacheshotseat.com/SalariesContracts.htm
ERayR Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 Here-" 59 Bronco Mendenhall BYU 48 MWC $2,000,000" http://coacheshotseat.com/SalariesContracts.htm Now, how much does BYU football program contribute to school revenues?
Rob Osborn Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 Now, how much does BYU football program contribute to school revenues?No idea on how all that filters down. It would be interesting. I know BYU Idaho (formerly Ricks) dropped the sports program because it was too expensive to run. Generally, sports programs are all run off of the the football and basketball programs revenues with not really much else actually filtering down to actual education costs (building buildings, paying professors, employess, etc)
ERayR Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 (edited) No idea on how all that filters down. It would be interesting. I know BYU Idaho (formerly Ricks) dropped the sports program because it was too expensive to run. Generally, sports programs are all run off of the the football and basketball programs revenues with not really much else actually filtering down to actual education costs (building buildings, paying professors, employess, etc) It is my understanding that the good sports programs contribute substantially to school revenues used in other areas. BYU brought in $22.4 million in the 2012 season, posting a $7.41 million profit. Doesn't seem like a "not really much else". Looks like a lot of money over and above cost of the program. I would guess that the BYU-Idaho program was costing money instead of making money so it was discontinued. Edited December 24, 2014 by ERayR 1
Rob Osborn Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 It is my understanding that the good sports programs contribute substantially to school revenues used in other areas. BYU brought in $22.4 million in the 2012 season, posting a $7.41 million profit. Doesn't seem like a "not really much else". Looks like a lot of money over and above cost of the program. I would guess that the BYU-Idaho program was costing money instead of making money so it was discontinued.Hum...then why do they have a boosters club? The whole point of a boosters club is to generate the extra money required to run the sports programs.
pogi Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 It is my understanding that the good sports programs contribute substantially to school revenues used in other areas. BYU brought in $22.4 million in the 2012 season, posting a $7.41 million profit. Doesn't seem like a "not really much else". Looks like a lot of money over and above cost of the program. That's exactly right. Think about Rob, $22.4 - $7.41 = $14.9 million dollars invested in the program. That is a lot of money circulating around the economy, creating lots of jobs etc. If you move that investment into other programs, you will never see anything close to $7.4 million returns. The money would dry up and jobs would be lost.
ERayR Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 Hum...then why do they have a boosters club? The whole point of a boosters club is to generate the extra money required to run the sports programs. Not all booster clubs are created equal. Booster clubs are not really as effective as a successful program.
Ham Clam Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 Drop football and ... pickup competitive figure skating?
ERayR Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 That's exactly right. Think about Rob, $22.4 - $7.41 = $14.9 million dollars invested in the program. That is a lot of money circulating around the economy, creating lots of jobs etc. If you move that investment into other programs, you will never see anything close to $7.4 million returns. The money would dry up and jobs would be lost. That is a 31.7% profit margin. Not too shabby.
ERayR Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 Drop football and ... pickup competitive figure skating? Start generating a 7+ million profit and it will become a major sports program at the college. As it is I would bet part of the 7 mil football revenues is supporting the figure skating program.
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