"anonymous Bishop" Blogs About Poverty

[tonie]

in trying to get a more full picture of this anon Bishop, I read the following of his comments:

 

 

Bishop Anon, September 24, 2014 at 9:21pm

 

 

"Thanks Melissa. I am an unabashed Denver Snuffer supporter. I have read all his books and attended most lectures. I believe his message."

 

 

 

 

"From the Desk of Denver Snuffer" is also a "favorite" linked on the anon Bishop blog.

[Mystery Meat]

I'm going to go ahead and clarify my feelings on that matter. I know most here will not like my feelings at all, but what can I say. We're all different and we're all a little inflicted with personal biases.

I would rather live desperately for other people. I try in a sense, but not really. I live my life, often, hoping to help others most of which don't need my help. Others suffer all over this world and I feel like I can't do a thing about it. But I'm stuck. I have four young kids and want the most for them,and my wife. I go to work so I can have money to pay for our house and get health insurance. Life hits ya in so many ways. You just do it because you're supposed to. Then someone you love gets sick, stress settles in and makes you feel crazy. Nothing gets paid for and debt increases forever and ever. And your alone. Meanwhile your kids eat, have clothes, get educated and your desperately trying to survive rather than live for others. Every month I struggle to pay for our life. It's tiring and my wife is just as tired. Debts are so huge we can't even see the end of it. Each dollar we spend to eat out or to go on vacation is a waste. But we're told, we need a life. All I do is pay tithing then pay bills, it seems. Money doesn't mean anything. I give more than I am asked even if it means our debts only get bigger sometimes. Why? Because who cares? I'll die. If I don't I'll get shunned at Church anyway, which I pretty much am for my unorthodox views already.

Most of my friends in the same income bracket look at us and think we're miserable. We don't live luxurious lives like they do. We can't because we have things forced upon us. But that's ok. Not even my concern. my concern is we're stuck. My great desire is to live for others desperately. I'd pack up and move to the most economically depressed place in this world, just so I don't feel so exalted by being in my cushy situation. At least I can dwell witht he lowest of the low. But I have a family. My wife won't hear of that, and I get that. My kids would be miserable, but someone's kids have to be. Even if I could get my family to buy in, we have more debt here then is imaginable, in some cases put upon. And we owe more than the house is worth just for our mortgage. Our savings, as it was one day, is gone, depleted to nothing and we have no chance for recovery anyway. We're one bill away from going bankrupt, and with kids any moment something could happen sinking us.

But at least the Church is in good financial health. At least it gets my money so more temples are built, which is a good thing, at what seems to be top dollar expense.

I don't know there's a lot more that the Church can do. it does seem plausible to cut out so many of the expenses and just focus the income that church gets on giving to others. I'd bet dollars to donuts such a huge shift would be far more productive in terms of attracting people then sending out missionaries, and for crying aloud, giving desperately would totally make the historic issues seem so irrelevant. I feel strongly that is the case. I can't do a thing, I realize that. I'm stuck. But I would love to be a part of something that can do a thing. Call me apostate. Whine about how I'm evil for wanting to steady the ark. I don't care. That's my feelings on that matter. I won't be obnoxious about it, very few know my feelings on that matter. I don't know that what I'd like to see is possible. But I'll continue to hope and pray.

We may not do away with poverty or starvation, but we can desperately try. Seems reasonable to me.

 

We are not all that different, you and I.

[rockpond]

Come on Rock, that last one is a derail if I ever saw one. And the bishop didn't imply. He out and out said that renting out schools for church would somehow translate into feeding hungry kids.  It is a lazy and self-indulgent approach. Nobody has the corner on caring. But when all you can do is "not brag" about filling up an empty fridge while demanding all kinds of stuff he clearly knows nothing about while using kids to score points, it is kind of disgusting. Maybe he can use  pictures of 8 year old sex slaves next time while he talks about how somebody touched him once.

 

I'm not sure what you are calling a derail.  I was just responding to your points.

 

The "bishop" suggested that renting could free up funds for other uses.  A point that I'm not sure I agree with.  Renting isn't necessarily the most cost effective solution.

 

He never claimed to have the corner on caring -- I'm not sure where that comment of yours comes from.  His blog post certainly has problems but to just deem it lazy, self-indulgent, and disgusting without actually engaging any of the ideas seems like a lazy and self-indulgent response.

[bluebell]

When people start talking about the money, it gets difficult to communicate with them. Money does not solve all problems. Does the Church have enough money to build clean water wells and pipelines? Sure, I think it does. Is simply building pipelines and wells within the teachings of "all thinks in wisdom and order"? I am not sure.

So you build a clean water system, for a people who know nothing of clean water. Who then maintains the equipement and infrastructure? How many people have to be bribed to allow the clean water system to be built?

Throwing money at problems will not fix things on its own.

I agree.

I think people are usually so focused on the money aspect because it's what they personally know.

How many of us believe (wrongly) that if we just had more money coming in each month life would be perfect?

We take our own hang ups with money and project them onto people and situations we are completely ignorant of, except for the fact that they are poor, because it's the only way most of us think we know how to deal with our own needs so we think it will deal with everyone's needs.

Money is of course necessary, and a lot if times it's all we can do so we should do it, but it's not the end all be all.

[rockpond]

I'm going to go ahead and clarify my feelings on that matter. I know most here will not like my feelings at all, but what can I say. We're all different and we're all a little inflicted with personal biases.

I would rather live desperately for other people. I try in a sense, but not really. I live my life, often, hoping to help others most of which don't need my help. Others suffer all over this world and I feel like I can't do a thing about it. But I'm stuck. I have four young kids and want the most for them,and my wife. I go to work so I can have money to pay for our house and get health insurance. Life hits ya in so many ways. You just do it because you're supposed to. Then someone you love gets sick, stress settles in and makes you feel crazy. Nothing gets paid for and debt increases forever and ever. And your alone. Meanwhile your kids eat, have clothes, get educated and your desperately trying to survive rather than live for others. Every month I struggle to pay for our life. It's tiring and my wife is just as tired. Debts are so huge we can't even see the end of it. Each dollar we spend to eat out or to go on vacation is a waste. But we're told, we need a life. All I do is pay tithing then pay bills, it seems. Money doesn't mean anything. I give more than I am asked even if it means our debts only get bigger sometimes. Why? Because who cares? I'll die. If I don't I'll get shunned at Church anyway, which I pretty much am for my unorthodox views already.

Most of my friends in the same income bracket look at us and think we're miserable. We don't live luxurious lives like they do. We can't because we have things forced upon us. But that's ok. Not even my concern. my concern is we're stuck. My great desire is to live for others desperately. I'd pack up and move to the most economically depressed place in this world, just so I don't feel so exalted by being in my cushy situation. At least I can dwell witht he lowest of the low. But I have a family. My wife won't hear of that, and I get that. My kids would be miserable, but someone's kids have to be. Even if I could get my family to buy in, we have more debt here then is imaginable, in some cases put upon. And we owe more than the house is worth just for our mortgage. Our savings, as it was one day, is gone, depleted to nothing and we have no chance for recovery anyway. We're one bill away from going bankrupt, and with kids any moment something could happen sinking us.

But at least the Church is in good financial health. At least it gets my money so more temples are built, which is a good thing, at what seems to be top dollar expense.

I don't know there's a lot more that the Church can do. it does seem plausible to cut out so many of the expenses and just focus the income that church gets on giving to others. I'd bet dollars to donuts such a huge shift would be far more productive in terms of attracting people then sending out missionaries, and for crying aloud, giving desperately would totally make the historic issues seem so irrelevant. I feel strongly that is the case. I can't do a thing, I realize that. I'm stuck. But I would love to be a part of something that can do a thing. Call me apostate. Whine about how I'm evil for wanting to steady the ark. I don't care. That's my feelings on that matter. I won't be obnoxious about it, very few know my feelings on that matter. I don't know that what I'd like to see is possible. But I'll continue to hope and pray.

We may not do away with poverty or starvation, but we can desperately try. Seems reasonable to me.

 

I totally understand where you are coming from.  And I'm sorry things are so rough for you.

 

I agree with you in that I think shifting our focus to more giving and service would do wonders for our missionary program.

[rockpond]

in trying to get a more full picture of this anon Bishop, I read the following of his comments:

 

 

Bishop Anon, September 24, 2014 at 9:21pm

 

 

"Thanks Melissa. I am an unabashed Denver Snuffer supporter. I have read all his books and attended most lectures. I believe his message."

 

 

 

 

"From the Desk of Denver Snuffer" is also a "favorite" linked on the anon Bishop blog.

 

Yeah, I think that we should be concerned with the number of faithful church members who are becoming supporters of Denver Snuffer.

[rockpond]

Throwing money at problems will not fix things on its own.

 

I agree... let's use both money and our powerful force of 80,000 missionaries.

[bluebell]

I'm going to go ahead and clarify my feelings on that matter. I know most here will not like my feelings at all, but what can I say. We're all different and we're all a little inflicted with personal biases.

I would rather live desperately for other people. I try in a sense, but not really. I live my life, often, hoping to help others most of which don't need my help. Others suffer all over this world and I feel like I can't do a thing about it. But I'm stuck. I have four young kids and want the most for them,and my wife. I go to work so I can have money to pay for our house and get health insurance. Life hits ya in so many ways. You just do it because you're supposed to. Then someone you love gets sick, stress settles in and makes you feel crazy. Nothing gets paid for and debt increases forever and ever. And your alone. Meanwhile your kids eat, have clothes, get educated and your desperately trying to survive rather than live for others. Every month I struggle to pay for our life. It's tiring and my wife is just as tired. Debts are so huge we can't even see the end of it. Each dollar we spend to eat out or to go on vacation is a waste. But we're told, we need a life. All I do is pay tithing then pay bills, it seems. Money doesn't mean anything. I give more than I am asked even if it means our debts only get bigger sometimes. Why? Because who cares? I'll die. If I don't I'll get shunned at Church anyway, which I pretty much am for my unorthodox views already.

Most of my friends in the same income bracket look at us and think we're miserable. We don't live luxurious lives like they do. We can't because we have things forced upon us. But that's ok. Not even my concern. my concern is we're stuck. My great desire is to live for others desperately. I'd pack up and move to the most economically depressed place in this world, just so I don't feel so exalted by being in my cushy situation. At least I can dwell witht he lowest of the low. But I have a family. My wife won't hear of that, and I get that. My kids would be miserable, but someone's kids have to be. Even if I could get my family to buy in, we have more debt here then is imaginable, in some cases put upon. And we owe more than the house is worth just for our mortgage. Our savings, as it was one day, is gone, depleted to nothing and we have no chance for recovery anyway. We're one bill away from going bankrupt, and with kids any moment something could happen sinking us.

But at least the Church is in good financial health. At least it gets my money so more temples are built, which is a good thing, at what seems to be top dollar expense.

I don't know there's a lot more that the Church can do. it does seem plausible to cut out so many of the expenses and just focus the income that church gets on giving to others. I'd bet dollars to donuts such a huge shift would be far more productive in terms of attracting people then sending out missionaries, and for crying aloud, giving desperately would totally make the historic issues seem so irrelevant. I feel strongly that is the case. I can't do a thing, I realize that. I'm stuck. But I would love to be a part of something that can do a thing. Call me apostate. Whine about how I'm evil for wanting to steady the ark. I don't care. That's my feelings on that matter. I won't be obnoxious about it, very few know my feelings on that matter. I don't know that what I'd like to see is possible. But I'll continue to hope and pray.

We may not do away with poverty or starvation, but we can desperately try. Seems reasonable to me.

I think a lot of what you've said is really great, but one thing that stood out to me is that you sound just like someone who is suffering from survivor's guilt, only with you it's suffering from "I'm not suffering as much as other people" guilt.

I'm unsure if your hope is to bring people up to your level of comfort (even though there are still trials) or if your desire is to take you and your family down to a level of suffering that will keep you from feeling guilty?

[smac97]

What suggests that he isn't faithful? And what gives you the rational to compare him to Judas?

 

Well, this for example (the "Why Anonymous" portion of his page):

 

I write as a bishop in the LDS Church. I am told it is my priesthood office and title for life. I served for more than 4 years and was “released” just a few months ago. For now I choose anonymity. Not because I fear men, retaliation, or criticism, but because for the moment I want to continue serving in the church. I plan to proceed responsibly, knowing that I will soon put my name on the things I write. I also know that when I do, it may cause a confrontation with church leadership. This is a sacrifice I am willing to make.

I do not wish to become the object of anyone’s attention, good or bad. However, I feel compelled to share things I see and have discovered. My intent is not to destroy faith in God, but is to help us awaken to our awful state. I have been “blessed” with a very interesting perspective.

In more than 4 years as a bishop I met many of the so called Brethren. More than one very prominent such authorities resides in my ward. I know them and I love them. But I also recognize by their words and their deeds that they do not have a message from Heaven. I have come to the conclusion that their general message is Anti-Christ and promotes idolatry, and the worship of men. I have decided I can sit by no longer and only observe, and so now I write and I share with the hopes of defending what I believe to be truth.

So...

• This fellow is writing anonymously as a form of deceit.  He knows what he is writing is not compatible with maintaining good standing in the Church, so he is hiding his identity to avoid the consequences of his actions.
• He says he does "not with to become the objection of anyone's attention," and yet is writing these risible things to the world, and invoking his priesthood calling to bolster his credentials.
• He claims to have been "'blessed' with a very interesting perspective."  Sounds like usurpration, I think.
• He describes the Brethren as being "so-called."  He accuses them of not having "a message from Heaven," and that they are instead spreading a "general message" of "Anti-Christ" that "promotes idolatry, and the worship of men."

I can't speak to comparisons of this fellow to Judas.  That may be a bit over-the-top.  But do his comments indicate some very real problems with this fellow's standing in the Church?  Oh yeah.  Big time.

 

Thanks,

 

-Smac

[The Nehor]

Yeah, I think that we should be concerned with the number of faithful church members who are becoming supporters of Denver Snuffer.

I refuse to believe that anyone in category A is also in category B.

[stemelbow]

I totally understand where you are coming from.  And I'm sorry things are so rough for you.

 

I agree with you in that I think shifting our focus to more giving and service would do wonders for our missionary program.

Things aren't rough for me. I realize as I sent that that it would come off that way, but wasn't sure I wanted to go back and edit it. Leave it raw, I say. What's "rough" for so many in western culture is really pretty luxurious to others.

[rockpond]

 

Well, this for example (the "Why Anonymous" portion of his page):

 

So...

• This fellow is writing anonymously as a form of deceit.  He knows what he is writing is not compatible with maintaining good standing in the Church, so he is hiding his identity to avoid the consequences of his actions.
• He says he does "not with to become the objection of anyone's attention," and yet is writing these risible things to the world, and invoking his priesthood calling to bolster his credentials.
• He claims to have been "'blessed' with a very interesting perspective."  Sounds like usurpration, I think.
• He describes the Brethren as being "so-called."  He accuses them of not having "a message from Heaven," and that they are instead spreading a "general message" of "Anti-Christ" that "promotes idolatry, and the worship of men."

I can't speak to comparisons of this fellow to Judas.  That may be a bit over-the-top.  But do his comments indicate some very real problems with this fellow's standing in the Church?  Oh yeah.  Big time.

 

Thanks,

 

-Smac

 

Yes, definite problems with his standing in the church and he clearly disagrees with the Brethren.  But when I refer to faithful, I mean faithful to God.  And I see no indication that he isn't a man of faith.

 

ETA:  I just realized that I have (in this very thread) used the term "faithful" in various ways.  So, kindly consider my statement here to be a clarification of what I meant in the post you responded to.

Edited December 4, 2014 by rockpond

[bluebell]

Well, this for example (the "Why Anonymous" portion of his page):

So...

• This fellow is writing anonymously as a form of deceit. He knows what he is writing is not compatible with maintaining good standing in the Church, so he is hiding his identity to avoid the consequences of his actions.
• He says he does "not with to become the objection of anyone's attention," and yet is writing these risible things to the world, and invoking his priesthood calling to bolster his credentials.
• He claims to have been "'blessed' with a very interesting perspective." Sounds like usurpration, I think.
• He describes the Brethren as being "so-called." He accuses them of not having "a message from Heaven," and that they are instead spreading a "general message" of "Anti-Christ" that "promotes idolatry, and the worship of men."

I can't speak to comparisons of this fellow to Judas. That may be a bit over-the-top. But do his comments indicate some very real problems with this fellow's standing in the Church? Oh yeah. Big time.

Thanks,

-Smac

So he believes the church is being led by anti Christs?

Wow. No wonder he's bff with Snuffer.

[stemelbow]

I think a lot of what you've said is really great, but one thing that stood out to me is that you sound just like someone who is suffering from survivor's guilt, only with you it's suffering from "I'm not suffering as much as other people" guilt.

I'm unsure if your hope is to bring people up to your level of comfort (even though there are still trials) or if your desire is to take you and your family down to a level of suffering that will keep you from feeling guilty?

I guess being desperate necessarily entails coming off as not being very clear and perhaps even conflicted. my hope is many things I guess. I'd love people to have as much as I have, even if many have more, and I'd love to dwell amongst the lowly so I can in some sense understand. my problem is, neither seems possible at this time. But if something like the Church worked more desperately for others, and I was a part of that, I'd feel better even if we can't solve all the problems in this cockamamie world.

And, I'm I the only one who feels guilt by finding myself, by chance, in a more comfortable situation than many others? Not sure how anyone could get along with out some amount of guilt there.

Edited December 4, 2014 by stemelbow

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

I don't know who this man is, but I would bet dollars to donuts he is not actually a bishop. Those are all talking points I have not only seen and read from "other" sites, but his phraseology gives him away, in my opinion, as someone who is less than sympathetic. Such is the nature of the internet I suppose. I will now be lambasted for questioning this man's sincerity. So be it.

It is just John Dehlin. Don't worry.

[Tacenda]

Yeah, I think that we should be concerned with the number of faithful church members who are becoming supporters of Denver Snuffer.

I was surprised when I saw a former neighbor who I've known for years "like" something of Denver's on FB. She has a son on a mission and is a TBM to boot. There may be more than we know! Edited December 4, 2014 by Tacenda

[rockpond]

I was surprised when I saw a former neighbor who I've known for years "like" something of Denver's on FB. She has a son on a mission and is a TBM to boot. There may be more than we know!

 

I don't have any numbers on Snuffer's readership.  But I can tell you that a perusal of Facebook shows that the Mormon Stories Podcast Community has over 5,000 members.  Mormons Building Bridges also has over 5,000 members.  Ordain Women has over 5,000 members.  John Dehlin's "public figure" page has over 7,000 likes (he had to start a public figure page after his personal page maxed out the limit of followers, 5k I think).

 

Granted this is just the Facebook world but these are groups equivalent to the size of an LDS stake.  Though still a small percentage of overall membership.

 

I think there is a reason we're seeing more "stay in the boat" type messages.  I believe we have a real issue of growing disaffection.  And it is very sad, I hope we can turn it around.  ...but there I go, steadying the ark again.

[Mystery Meat]

I don't have any numbers on Snuffer's readership.  But I can tell you that a perusal of Facebook shows that the Mormon Stories Podcast Community has over 5,000 members.  Mormons Building Bridges also has over 5,000 members.  Ordain Women has over 5,000 members.  John Dehlin's "public figure" page has over 7,000 likes (he had to start a public figure page after his personal page maxed out the limit of followers, 5k I think).

 

Granted this is just the Facebook world but these are groups equivalent to the size of an LDS stake.  Though still a small percentage of overall membership.

 

I think there is a reason we're seeing more "stay in the boat" type messages.  I believe we have a real issue of growing disaffection.  And it is very sad, I hope we can turn it around.  ...but there I go, steadying the ark again.

 

Nothing you said in this post constitutes steadying the ark though.

[juliann]

 

We may not do away with poverty or starvation, but we can desperately try. Seems reasonable to me.

But that has nothing to do with this blogger. You are not out there writing blogs with absolutely no background (or interest in obtaining any beyond manipulative pictures.)

 

Let's not turn this into supporting this ignorant blogger means you support helping people and calling him out means you don't think more should be done.

[juliann]

I don't have any numbers on Snuffer's readership.  But I can tell you that a perusal of Facebook shows that the Mormon Stories Podcast Community has over 5,000 members.  Mormons Building Bridges also has over 5,000 members.  Ordain Women has over 5,000 members.  John Dehlin's "public figure" page has over 7,000 likes (he had to start a public figure page after his personal page maxed out the limit of followers, 5k I think).

 

Granted this is just the Facebook world but these are groups equivalent to the size of an LDS stake.  Though still a small percentage of overall membership.

 

I think there is a reason we're seeing more "stay in the boat" type messages.  I believe we have a real issue of growing disaffection.  And it is very sad, I hope we can turn it around.  ...but there I go, steadying the ark again.

I think you are right. But I don't think likes on FB mean much. If they do, Mormon Women Stand has more likes than all of these groups put together.

[stemelbow]

But that has nothing to do with this blogger. You are not out there writing blogs with absolutely no background (or interest in obtaining any beyond manipulative pictures.)

 

Let's not turn this into supporting this ignorant blogger means you support helping people and calling him out means you don't think more should be done.

I don't care if I can pick apart the blog or not. he raised an issue that means something to me. Some of what he said I agree with. I get the feeling he agrees with me, in that we should be desperately trying to help people.

[bluebell]

And, I'm I the only one who feels guilt by finding myself, by chance, in a more comfortable situation than many others? Not sure how anyone could get along with out some amount of guilt there.

Those who get along without guilt do so because they understand what guilt actually is, and they understand there is a difference between legitimate guilt and guilt that comes from a distortion in proper thinking.

Guilt implies that we've done something wrong. The only people who SHOULD feel guilt are those who are guilty of something.

If you withhold your resources from helping the poor for selfish reasons then the guilt you feel is legitimate. You are in the wrong and should feel guilty.

If you feel guilt because your kids have warm coats and some kids don't, then that's illegitimate guilt. It's not wrong to give your kids warm coats (in fact it would be wrong not to if you are able) so feeling guilty about that means your not thinking correctly.

Feeling illegitimate guilt doesn't make us worse or better than the next person, it just means we need to work on getting past it.

For example, survivor's guilt is a very real thing, but it's also a sign that someone needs counseling so they can stop feeling it. They didn't do anything wrong by surviving and hanging onto the guilt will harm them in the long run. Anorexics feel guilty when they eat-another sign of wrong thinking that needs to be overcome because it's harmful not to.

We all sometimes feel illegitimate guilt (and sometimes the guilt is very valid). If this is something that we are struggling with then we should spend some time discovering if we've actually done something wrong, or if the guilt is just satan trying to make us miserable.

Edited December 4, 2014 by bluebell

[stemelbow]

Those who get along with guilt do so because they understand what guilt actually is, and they understand there is a difference between legitimate guilt and guilt that comes from a distortion in proper thinking.

Guilt implies that we've done something wrong. The only people who SHOULD feel guilt are those who are guilty of something.

If you withhold your resources from helping the poor for selfish reasons then the guilt you feel is legitimate. You are in the wrong and should feel guilty.

Every single person I know has withheld some resources from helping the poor for selfish reasons. Thus, everyone should feel some guilt. That's not a bad thing.

If you feel guilt because your kids have warm coats and some kids don't, then that's illegitimate guilt. It's not wrong to give your kids warm coats (in fact it would be wrong not to if you are able) so feeling guilty about that means your not thinking correctly.

Feeling illegitimate guilt doesn't make us worse or better than the next person, it just means we need to work on getting past it.

For example, survivor's guilt is a very real thing, but it's also a sign that someone needs counseling so they can stop feeling it. They didn't do anything wrong by surviving and hanging onto the guilt will harm them in the long run. Anorexics feel guilty when they eat-another sign of wrong thinking that needs to be overcome because it's harmful not to.

We all sometimes feel illegitimate guilt (and sometimes the guilt is very valid). If this is something that we are struggling with then we should spend some time discovering if we've actually done something wrong, or if the guilt is just satan trying to make us miserable.

I'm not feeling illegitimate guilt.

[ksfisher]

Yes, definite problems with his standing in the church and he clearly disagrees with the Brethren.  But when I refer to faithful, I mean faithful to God.  And I see no indication that he isn't a man of faith.

 

ETA:  I just realized that I have (in this very thread) used the term "faithful" in various ways.  So, kindly consider my statement here to be a clarification of what I meant in the post you responded to.

 

Can you be faithful to God and at the same time not have faith in the prophets he sends?

 

33 ¶Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:

 34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.

 35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.

 36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.

 37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.

 

Perhaps this person hasn't beat or stoned modern day prophets literally, but he seems to be doing so with his words.

[juliann]

I don't care if I can pick apart the blog or not. he raised an issue that means something to me. Some of what he said I agree with. I get the feeling he agrees with me, in that we should be desperately trying to help people.

This issue has been with us forever. Elder Holland gave a barn burner of a talk that is a lot more inspiring than this bishop who insults him for speaking up. Of course we should be desperately trying to help people!  But the should part is not the problem. The doing is. And what does this guy who won't even give his name do? Tells somebody else to do it while demeaning them.

 

Where are the suggestions of how to do it? Where to do it? Isn't that what holds most people back? It does me. I have searched out an organization I'm going to give money to until it hurts...it is so hard to trust them. But it still feels inadequate to just throw money at the problem...although it is one step above this guy throwing eggs.  As my sister who did go to another continent to start a foundation told me, it is the boots on the ground that are needed. It is the cooperation of those you are trying to help that is needed. There is so much more required than this brave guy ...who apparently thinks saving children is equivalent to driving to the grocery store in his comfy car to fill up someone's fridge ...has even dreamed of.