Word Of Wisdom Poll

[cursor]

Searching though this thread for the word "never," I find:

 

cursor: I never do cheesecake.

cursor:  never consume more than 800 calories in a single sitting ... depending on the quality of food selection, of course. That means nutrient value, not "want."

JLHPROF: I agree with you 100% on this (although I'm very glad I never tried smoking).

Rain: I don't do caffeine.  Growing up we never had caffeine.

Tacenda: I'd never heard that expression till now!

Calmoriah: I never used to play solitaire unless there was really nothing else to do save maybe chores that I would have to do again later anyway (all my books were read, 

Stargazer: Having never tried any energy drink (except for a taste of Red Bull,

HappyJackWagon: I've never partaken of ...

ERayR: I've never partaken of...

cursor "Any responsible review of the increase in obesity over the last twenty years points to cultural shifts in dietary intake. Prior to that twenty or thirty year mark, people were dramatically better off. Look it up. The adoption of high fructose corn syrup in food production is a huge contributor.

... note that while I never (ever) used the word "never," you continue to badger.

 

I asked you (post #147)

cursor: If you wish to answer the CFR, kindly provide a reference to the effect that obesity is never caused by medical or psychological problems.

 

You then said:

"If you are not suggesting that obesity is never caused by medical or psychological problems, doesn’t it follow that you believe that it is possible that, at least,  some instances of obesity are caused by medical or psychological problems?   If so, then, by your own admission, there are some instances in which human obesity is related to factors other than dietary choice."

 

Again, I never said that human obesity was never caused by problems entirely independent of diet and exercise. If I didn't say it previously, then let me clarify ... the vary high percentage of currently obese folk is the result of poor dietary choices that they make in their lives. It is because of that, and/or the selective abstinence from physical activity that obesity happens. Yes, I understand that many are incapacitated to the point that they cannot be as active as others. In said cases, dietary intake should be moderated to coincide with personal activity levels and bodily needs.

[cursor]

These two statements are contradictory.  

 

Actually, they're not at all contradictory

 

 

 

I do take exception to your harsh judgmentalism of individuals  you have never even met, and of whom you know little concerning their medical or psychological health.  And this from someone who has not, to the best of my knowledge, even claimed to have the professional credentials (or equivalent knowledge and experience) to evaluate someone else’s medical records, even if he had access.    

 

I also take exception to your judging your bishop for simply following church policy  (or “’bishoping’ while obese,” if you prefer). If you feel that the obese should not be called as bishops or that you should not have been denied a temple recommend for drinking coffee, you may have a point.  But even if it turns out that your bishop’s obesity is solely his own fault,  he did not call himself to be your bishop, nor did  he establish the church’s  “Obesity” policy or its “No Coffee”  policy. Nor does he have the authority to change them.

 

If you'll take just a second to breathe, to think and to perhaps spiritually contemplate (seriously), then you'll understand that my bishop is not 350 (nor 400) pounds in body weight. As a matter of fact, we play basketball twice a week at the ward house. I scored 28 points just the other day in a 45 minute game (close to what I did at 26 years old when living in Magna, UT ... about 1978 ... when I scored 42 points in a single game).

 

Instead of targeting my imaginary bishop, I could have said "stake president," or whatever. By the way, my bishop was on my team this last week.

 

Truth is, folks are excluded from church activity for a whole bunch of (non-sensible) reasons. How they feel about their [in]direct exclusion is really important. And, regular members should be sensitive.

 

The father of one of my female teenage friends when growing up in Santa Barbara was somewhat inactive (for whatever reasons ... I was a youngster, I didn't know). I recall that he was always viewed as "the inactive guy" in the ward ... (he very occasionally smoked, and he regularly drank coffee, in a whisper). He was an extremely avid horseman. I recall seeing him numerous times in the annual parade, leading the herd of other horsemen. He was king, and tipped his hat to the crowd accordingly. He was physically active, he was superbly fit, he was strong in both body and character. He died of natural causes at the age of freakin' 98. His youngest daughter, my close friend, committed selective drug-caused suicide very shortly thereafter, as a direct result (2003, right after she and her fiancee invited us, and treated me and my lovely wife with tickets to a B.B. King concert at the Santa Barbara Bowl). She was SO excited to see B.B. King. She had previously prepared a batch of flowers that she hand-carried to him at the intermission (begging him to come on the following day to have tea with her in SB). Four days later ... 

 

She loved her father, but could never understand why he was so socially excluded from the LDS club.

 

Life is complex. Yet, green Jello at Relief Society dinners is so simple.

 

I think about Renee every day (my lost friend). Damn, she gave birth to a gorgeous pair of female twins. Both now married and with children who'll never know their Grandma.

 

(Her mother, Ruth died just a couple years ago. My wife and I attended her funeral just 25 miles up the road.)

Edited January 13, 2015 by cursor

[cursor]

So, how does the Word of Wisdom (D&C 89), and your interpretation of the same, affect your life, or the lives of those that you love.

 

Hey, Renee ... love you girl.

[Sleeper Cell]

 

 

 

I asked you (post #147)

cursor: If you wish to answer the CFR, kindly provide a reference to the effect that obesity is never caused by medical or psychological problems.

 

 

Actually, you asked me nothing in post 147.  That was my post, not yours.  You did not say :to me: “if you wish to answer the CFR,  kindly provide a reference to the effect …”

I said that to you.   And it was not even a question.  It was a statement.  

 

Perhaps  had you followed the advice you give me in you next post, you would not have confused what I said with what you said.

 

 

… take just a second to breathe, to think and to perhaps spiritually contemplate (seriously), …

 

 

This is turning into what Arthur Koestler once referred to as “Wonderland croquet.”  Something I have no interest in playing.  

[cursor]

You're right about post 147. That's my mistake.

 

In post 147 you said,

"If you wish to answer the CFR, kindly provide a reference to the effect that obesity is never caused by medical or psychological problems (or modify your statement accordingly)."

 

Actually, I never said that. You're putting words in my mouth.

Let' make this easy ... you tell me where and when I said "that obesity is never caused by medical or psychological problems." Exactly which of my posts might you suggest that I need to modify?