intra Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 (edited) I do not reject Romans, only your misrepresentation of it.I do not make Paul out to be a liar, but your misrepresentation of the Scriptures makes them contradictory.Context adds meaning. You do not.please to explain Romans 4:3-8 in such a way that it means God does not justify the one who does no work, but believes in the one who justifies the ungodly. Edited January 17, 2015 by intra
Anakin7 Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Vance great post !, we Keep The Commandments to say thank you to our Heavenly Father for the Awesome Blood Sacrifice of His Son Christ Jesus. We Accept/Access/Actvate True Grace[charis] by way of True Faith [pistis = Allegence/Belief/Commitment/Confidence/Faithfulness/Fidelity/Loyalty/Obedience/Trust]to the person and work of Christ Jesus. In His Debt/Grace Anakin7
intra Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 You are confusing how people are looking at you due to how you are behaving with how they look at the Bible due to what it says.then talk about the Bible, not about me.
Calm Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 (edited) Then quit acting like a brat. Edited January 17, 2015 by calmoriah 2
intra Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Matthew 7:21check and matebtw no one is arguing Christ doesn't save us.Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’(Matthew 7:22-23) notice the excuse such men will give: "we did righteous works!" and where is it written that He will reject those who believed in Him, and sought after His mercy? but He says: All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.(John 6:37-40) i don't understand your "check and mate" -- this is not a game.
Anakin7 Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 (edited) For our critic intra - For Paul there is no such thing asTrue "Faith" without Obedience {Romans 1:5] or Active Love [Galatians 5:6] In His Debt/Grace Anakin7 Edited January 18, 2015 by Anakin7
Anakin7 Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 (edited) The works that Chist Jesus is criticizing in that passage [Matthew] are those pretended self rightiousnes works done for show, not to glorify and magnify the LORD. In His Debt/Grace Anakin7 Edited January 17, 2015 by Anakin7
Flyonthewall Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 please to explain Romans 3:4-8 in such a way that it means God does not justify the one who does no work, but believes in the one who justifies the ungodly.Not the hearers but the doers of the law shall be justified:Rom. 2:13; Was not Abraham our father justified by works?:James 2:21; By works a man is justified, and not by faith only:James 2:14–26; Psalms 1 1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. 2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. 3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. 4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away. 5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. 6 For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish. Now, why don't you explain how God will justify the ungodly.
Avatar4321 Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Not surprising you somehow dont understand that Christ saying we need to keep the commandments would be lost on you. It's like talking to a wall. 1
Anakin7 Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Intra's Misuse of John 6:37-39 - http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/john637.htm In His Debt/Grace Anakin7
intra Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Not the hearers but the doers of the law shall be justified:Rom. 2:13;Was not Abraham our father justified by works?:James 2:21;By works a man is justified, and not by faith only:James 2:14–26;Psalms 11 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.6 For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.Now, why don't you explain how God will justify the ungodly.i said Romans 4:3-8, not a jumble of other verses. you claim i am not interpreting it correctly, though all i have done is directly quote it. explain what Paul really means when He says it is credited as righteousness when the one who does no works believes in He who justifies the ungodly. explain how "He who justifies the ungodly" really means He does not justify the ungodly.
intra Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 did Christ come to save sinners or to save the righteous?
Anakin7 Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 intra you are ignoring important vital Salvation/Soteriological passages we are sharing with you, respond before asking more questions. Please leave out the busybody/pratter attitude. In His Debt/Grace Anakin7 1
intra Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 did He take upon Himself the obedience of the godly when He died on the cross? was He raised again the third day in order that those in whom no death is found could pass from death into life? did He send His Spirit so that the righteous could be regenerated? who is a God like Him, pardoning iniquity and exchanging beauty for ashes?
intra Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Who is a God like you, pardoning iniquity and passing over transgression for the remnant of his inheritance?He does not retain his anger forever, because he delights in steadfast love. He will again have compassion on us; he will tread our iniquities underfoot.You will cast all our sins into the depths of the sea. (Micah 7:18-20)
intra Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Not surprising you somehow dont understand that Christ saying we need to keep the commandments would be lost on you. It's like talking to a wall.show me where i said "we do not need to keep the commandments"
Anakin7 Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 As True LDS we would have no problem with those passages. In His Debt/Grace Anakin7
intra Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Intra's Misuse of John 6:37-39 - http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/john637.htm show me where i mentioned "eternal security"
intra Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 As True LDS we would have no problem with those passages. In His Debt/Grace Anakin7perhaps you are not true LDS then, since the modus operandi appears to be "intra quotes scriptures, and mormons look for ways to accuse intra"
intra Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Aren't you the one that says Jesus has done it all and you can do nothing? i said i can do nothing without Him.
intra Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 intra, You want us to talk/read Romans ? okay - http://www.14lds.com/rome.htm i want you to glorify God, not post lots of links without saying anything yourself.
Anakin7 Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 (edited) Intra are you a once Saved always Saved Advocate ?. In His Debt/Grace Anakin7 Edited January 18, 2015 by Anakin7
intra Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 The works that Chist Jesus is criticizing in that passage [Matthew] are those pretended self rightiousnes works done for show, not to glorify and magnify the LORD. how is the Lord magnified if i put my trust in my own works?
intra Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 http://www.biblestudy.org/question/oncesave.htm lol. https://www.google.com/search?q=bible&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS497US497&oq=bible&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60l3j69i65l2.7658j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8
The Nehor Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 how is the Lord magnified if i put my trust in my own works?I do not believe the Lord spends a lot of time worried about how magnified he is. He just wants to save people.
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