toon Posted August 5, 2014 Posted August 5, 2014 In a training course I had a few years ago a police officer related that 90% of the marijuana prescriptions that had been issued in Californian were to 20 to 30 year olds for chronic pain. Most 20 to 30 year olds I know are a chronic pain.
toon Posted August 5, 2014 Posted August 5, 2014 Anyone here know any members that smoke pot? I know one that currently smokes and she says she does it for her bad anxiety so she can sleep. I do. And I know that while my wife does not, she has seriously considered it for chronic pain, as an alternative to the opiates prescribed by her doctor. Yes, I'm aware the medical marijuana here in California is largely a sham, but there are those that would like to use it for legitimate purposes, and it helps them. To the extent legal, I see little difference between this and other prescription medications. Frankly, I'm amazed that people focus on this yet give prescription opiates a pass.
toon Posted August 5, 2014 Posted August 5, 2014 The WoW is a mixed bag when it comes to cannabis sativa. It prefers the use of herbs for ailments in both man and animal. By the same token it requires the use of skill and judgement in treating those ailments. OTOH Nowhere does it recommend the recreational use of any herb or drug. Cilantro is a herb, and I like it on many dishes for the complexity and flavor it adds. Is that recreational? 1
toon Posted August 5, 2014 Posted August 5, 2014 One of the problems with so-called "medical marijuana" is that people congregate in the "clinics" and trade jokes about the so-called "ailments" they claim in order to receive a prescription for it. While they don't hang out and tell jokes at clinics, abuse of prescription pain killers no longer necessary for any ailment is just as big, if not more so, of a problem. People doctor shop all the time for that kind of stuff.
thesometimesaint Posted August 5, 2014 Posted August 5, 2014 Cilantro is a herb, and I like it on many dishes for the complexity and flavor it adds. Is that recreational? I like Cilantro too. I suppose it could be considered recreational. I have no idea as to what, if any, would be a standardized medical dosage. Whatever its supposed/claimed medical benefits I still use it for its taste. Before the invention, and wide spread use of electronic thermometers it was quite common to see glass thermometers sitting in alcohol. The doctors would take the thermometers directly out of the alcohol and put in your mouth. As it was not a recognized dose no one thought a thing about it.
VideoGameJunkie Posted August 5, 2014 Posted August 5, 2014 Marijuana is harmful to people with medical conditions such as Tourettes Syndrome and can fry the brain big time. 1
thesometimesaint Posted August 5, 2014 Posted August 5, 2014 Marijuana is harmful to people with medical conditions such as Tourettes Syndrome and can fry the brain big time. The pretty flowers of the Foxglove plant contain digitalis that can be fatal to heart disease patients. I see no reason why it shouldn't be used as feed stock for the heart drug digitalis when prescribed with care and skill by a licensed MD.
MiserereNobis Posted August 6, 2014 Posted August 6, 2014 While they don't hang out and tell jokes at clinics, abuse of prescription pain killers no longer necessary for any ailment is just as big, if not more so, of a problem. People doctor shop all the time for that kind of stuff. Yup. And more people die from prescription drug overdose than all other hard drugs combined. Where's the outcry against those synthetic opiates...? 1
VideoGameJunkie Posted August 6, 2014 Posted August 6, 2014 I agree with Miserere that we need to focus on opiate painkillers. They are abused so much, even by members of the church.
Calm Posted August 6, 2014 Posted August 6, 2014 I agree with Miserere that we need to focus on opiate painkillers. They are abused so much, even by members of the church.But they are not abused most likely by most who take them. The "focus" the government is putting on them is depriving real sufferers from getting the relief that they need. We must be careful not to react out of fear on this topic and with wisdom. 1
Rain Posted August 6, 2014 Posted August 6, 2014 Yup. And more people die from prescription drug overdose than all other hard drugs combined.Where's the outcry against those synthetic opiates...?There are actually a number of talks, lessons and articles that talk about abuse if prescriptions and anything that may be addictive in nature, even if legal. Here is just one: https://www.lds.org/topics/word-of-wisdom?lang=eng 1
LoudmouthMormon Posted August 6, 2014 Posted August 6, 2014 Hi from smokey Colorado, where John Denver fans have been gleefully singing "Rocky Mountain High" for a year or two now (and longer with our medical MJ laws). Here's a little-discussed moral consideration to keep in mind as folks go about advocating for or against MJ. Sources matter. I'm not talking about the difference between walking into a legal taxpaying dispensary vs. buying from a guy in an alley. I'm talking about the origin of the product. There's a difference between a local grower who does business aboveboard with legal businesses, and the transnational criminal organizations who do business in drugs as well as kidnapping, extortion, murder, and child sex slavery. You would be totally floored to learn how many legalize-MJ supporters spend much effort to argue against that last sentence. Or maybe you wouldn't. I also find no shortage of supporters who just can't seem to care, or refuse to admit to the possibility. But anyway, here in Colorado, you can walk into a shop, and product from all over the place is available. Sometimes you would be able to tell the difference - there's a bureaucracy in place here to license growers, tag shipments, identify product. It is, of course, already corrupt. For example, audits made to the state report a pretty surprising amount of product that had been seized by the state, and then lost. (Make that "lost".) But the overall point, is that the brownie from the top shelf may have been grown by a small businessman within 50 miles of you, or it may have been made from stuff smuggled across the border by a coyote who was also transporting a load of 13 yr old girls who had been abducted and trained to work in the sex trade. Just setting aside all the different ways people argue for and against legal MJ, this aspect merits some consideration. Don't you think? (This is one of the answers you give, which you'll be revisiting with your Lord and Savior on the other side of the veil. Think before answering.) 3
Kenngo1969 Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 While they don't hang out and tell jokes at clinics, abuse of prescription pain killers no longer necessary for any ailment is just as big, if not more so, of a problem. People doctor shop all the time for that kind of stuff.I used to work in a support capacity in drug treatment, and I'm inclined to agree. (And of course, you meant to say "no longer necessary for any ailment except addiction.")
Stone holm Posted August 8, 2014 Author Posted August 8, 2014 Not exactly sure how this thread drifted off into a discussion of addictive drugs. I assume the objection to marijuana is that it is mind altering rather than the old claim that it is addicting.
VideoGameJunkie Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 Marijuana can fry the brain. It would destroy my brain since I have Tourette Syndrome. It's not safe for everyone.
VideoGameJunkie Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 Peanuts can be ten times worse than marijuana to some people. There should be an outcry on peanuts, but the elephants have shut that down. Elephants like peanuts. 3
Tacenda Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 Peanuts can be ten times worse than marijuana to some people. There should be an outcry on peanuts, but the elephants have shut that down. Elephants like peanuts.You're funny. :-)
VideoGameJunkie Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 Thank you Tacenda! You're an awesome person and very sweet.
Tacenda Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 (edited) Thank you Tacenda! You're an awesome person and very sweet.Right back at you!! I hope you can find a place in your life where you feel peace!! Speaking about media and video games, I think it's a lot about standards, maybe the higher the standard the worse you feel when doing something questionable. Lower standards you won't feel as bad about something, but I believe it's the spirit also. And sometimes if you're caught up in the letter of the law, or legalistic rules it can make you feel so depleted in life, there's no room for joy. My son plays COD and he's 17. I remember freaking out if he wanted to play Halo when he was younger. Now, I've either lowered my standards or I've observed him playing it to make sure it won't harm him, but didn't see anything besides shooting practice if he were ever in the army. As long as it doesn't occupy too much of his time. I think there's always a happy medium. ETA: Sorry mods, I thought we were on the media thread. I actually do think pot can fry our brains, and should only be used medically. I shudder to think states legalize it for recreational use. Edited August 8, 2014 by Tacenda
thesometimesaint Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 Just because it is legal to do something doesn't mean you should. I'm old enough to go to my local grocery store and buy all hard liquor I want. I can even legally drink every drop. If the clerk asks me for ID. I smile and say thank you.
USU78 Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 Not exactly sure how this thread drifted off into a discussion of addictive drugs. I assume the objection to marijuana is that it is mind altering rather than the old claim that it is addicting. I guess this is not worth looking into then: http://www.pacifichealthdialog.org.fj/Volume%2013/No2/Review%20Papers/Health%20Effects%20of%20Marijuana%20a%20Review.pdf
toon Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 I used to work in a support capacity in drug treatment, and I'm inclined to agree. (And of course, you meant to say "no longer necessary for any ailment except addiction.") I agree for your "except addiction" addition. There's often a point where prescription pain medication, especially opiates, no longer operates to address the original pain issues. Rather, it's "necessary" to address the addiction that has developed and/or lingering chronic pain that has in fact be prolonged and made worse by the pain medication itself. In other words, but for the pain medication, the pain may have either gone away or have been manageable by other means. But continued use then means that the medication becomes less effective while the pain level remains the same, and the patient cannot wean off the medication without serious withdrawal issues. Someone else here mentioend prescription pain abuse, but an addition to prescription pain medication is not always tied to what is typically considered abuse, at least not by the patient. An addiction can develop even though using as prescribed. 1
VideoGameJunkie Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 I had terrible shoulder pain once and took one of my dad's vicodin without asking. I felt so guilty about it after. The worst part is the pill didn't even work that well. I guess that's because I'm 6 foot 4 270 pounds. I'm a giant. Anyway, the point is a lot of teens get into prescription pill abuse by stealing their parents medications.
thesometimesaint Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 I had terrible shoulder pain once and took one of my dad's vicodin without asking. I felt so guilty about it after. The worst part is the pill didn't even work that well. I guess that's because I'm 6 foot 4 270 pounds. I'm a giant. Anyway, the point is a lot of teens get into prescription pill abuse by stealing their parents medications. Anything can be abused. I'm 6'2"/240 pounds. I'm so sensitive that just saying the word Actifed almost makes me go to sleep.
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