Research On Kids Of Same Sex Couples

[bluebell]

 

At the risk of a Godwin's law violation the Nazis were pro-marriage and pro-traditional family to the point that they crippled their war effort by not having women take the place of men in the factories. They were very conservative. Does that make them a non-hate group?

 

 

They weren't really pro-marriage.   They wanted 'arian' babies but were fine with women getting pregnant who weren't married.  In fact, they were so fine with it that they set up summer camps where single men and women could get together, no strings attached, so the men could get as many girls pregnant as possible.

 

But they did recognize that marriage between acceptable types was a benefit to society.

[The Nehor]

They weren't really pro-marriage.   They wanted 'arian' babies but were fine with women getting pregnant who weren't married.  In fact, they were so fine with it that they set up summer camps where single men and women could get together, no strings attached, so the men could get as many girls pregnant as possible.

 

But they did recognize that marriage between acceptable types was a benefit to society.

 

True, but they considered that a temporary "help" for normal propagation in marriage. Well, except for the SS breeding programs which were probably as much about lust as anything else.

[Rock_N_Roll]

What you are doing is no different than what anti-morons do to us. Good grief you are being silly saint.

 

'Tis you who is silly Mola.  If this isn't a "hate group", it's pretty darn close!  Boy, they've got some whacked ideas and some skewed "facts".  IMHO, of course. 

[Rock_N_Roll]

So he was molesting members of the same sex but he was not gay? Got it.

 

Are you really that misinformed? 

[Damien the Leper]

One can't really oversimplify by rightly acknowledging man and women, and their sexual relationship, as an essential element of the garden narrative, let alone how it would be a disservice to God to grant that he created male and female and commanded them to be fruitful and multiply for a reason--i.e. to further God's creation after the fall.

 

Clearly, it wouldn't make sense were, as the trite saying goes, the Garden narrative to have been about Adam and Steve rather than Adam and Eve.

 

It also wouldn't make sense were it about friendship w/o benefits between Adam and Eve.

 

And, the procreative relationship between man and women isn't just essential to the Garden narrative, but it is essential to human existence, as God wills it, if not also to exalted eternal existence.

 

Therein is God truly and ultimately honored and glorified (God's creations, and the honor and glory associated therewith, are expanded and exemplified through procreation)--which is why legitimate procreative sexual relations is of such a sacred nature, thus making procreative sexual transgression of serious nature.

 

The same can not be said, if not the opposite, about sex relations between people of the same gender. In no rational sense is God glorified and honored through men putting their generative parts in the fecal reserve of other men. Indeed, I would suggest that such is an abomination before God, though I can accept that you may see it differently.

 

To each their own.

 

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

 

Wade, the creation of male and female in the garden wasn't about procreation inhabitants for the future after expulsion. Procreation is the consequence of expulsion as well as many other things. In the Garden, it wasn't about sex. It was about relationship. While the differences between being in the Garden and then expelled have their differences, they are not mutually exclusive.

 

God's ultimate glory and honor isn't found in the birthing of humans. That is demonstrably false. God's glory is so much more.

 

Also, how you define abomination is not in agreement with the Hebrew scriptures usage. That's fine as you are welcome to have a disagreeing definition to suit your agenda.

[Damien the Leper]

Complete BS!

 

Great drive by. 

[Tacenda]

Rofl

You are being silly Saint. I don't know who Toney Perkins is. I don't even care. What I do know is that you like to label them as a hate group so you can just dismiss anything they say I am betting there is more to his comments that what you are saying. Experience has taught me that much from you. And pot met kettle. Mr Myopic. 

Saint is a saint! 

[Rob Osborn]

FRC says that:

• Says about gay people: “They are intolerant. They are hateful. They are vile. They are spiteful"..."pawns" of the "enemy.” (See 1:30 mark.)
• Claims LGBT activists are going to "start rolling out the boxcars" and carting away Christians (a reference to the Holocaust)
• Claims gay parents ''provide distorted values to innocent adopted kids"
• Lumps together Aurora shooting, kidnapping, and openly gay soldiers as three examples of a "nation gone under"
• Says many ugays have an "emptiness within them" (:55) because they are "operating outside of nature" (1:09)
• Says that gay young people “have a higher propensity to depression or suicide because of that internal conflict; homosexuals may recognize intuitively that their same-sex attractions are abnormal.”
• Despite what health experts have said, insists that pedophilia is “a homosexual problem.”
• The Family Research Council has distributed a pamphlet that claims gay men are more likely to molest children, and supports "reorientation therapy" for gay people
• The Family Research Council has distributed a pamphlet that begins by likening the logic behind same-sex marriage to the logic behind man-horse marriage (complete with horse graphic)
• Compares gay legal advocates to terrorists (at 0:31 mark): “ack in the 80s and early 90s, I worked with the State Department in anti-terrorism and we trained about 50 different countries in defending against terrorism, and it’s, at its base, what terrorism is, it's a strike against the general populace simply to spread fear and intimidation so that they can disrupt and destabilize the system of government. That's what the homosexuals are doing here to the legal system.”
• Says: "It doesn't matter what society does, I think within the homosexual, most of them know that this behavior, it's just not right, it's not what we were created to do and it's against God's plan and it's contrary to our nature and the way were were created."
• Says: “The truth is that we cannot redefine marriage without opening the door to all manner of moral and social evil.”
• Called the It Gets Better project "disgusting," claiming it tells children "that it's okay to be immoral" and constitutes a "concerted effort to persuade kids that homosexuality is okay and actually to recruit them into that lifestyle"; also called the project a "deceptive lie"
• Paid $82,500 to use the phone bank of former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke for an election run-off.
• Warns about marriage equality and trans acceptance: "As parents across Massachusetts fume about the new rules, the controversy certainly reinforces an important point: this is the future of same-sex ' marriage'  in America. It may take teenage boys invading girls' locker rooms to prove it, but redefining marriage is about a lot more than two people who love each other. This is about the fundamental altering of society. Maybe some of you have fallen for the lie that same-sex ' marriage'  won't affect you. I guarantee that you'll feel differently when you're trying to pull your second grader out of a lesson on homosexuality--and end up in handcuffs instead. Or when your daughter comes home in tears because she's been suspended for telling someone she felt uncomfortable using the bathroom with a male teacher inside. By then, it will be too late."
• Claims "blood of young marines" is on hands of legislators who voted to repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell.
• Claims "people know intuitively that [homosexuality] is morally wrong"
• Says "it's a fact" that homosexuality leads to "eternal damnation"
• Linked Secret Service prostitution scandal directly to open service: "[O]ver the weekend we saw the news of the President’s Secret Service detail in Colombia and the issue of them hiring prostitutes and now the White House is outraged about that. Actually in a meeting this morning my staff asked, ‘why should the President be upset’? It was actually legal; it was legal there to do that, so why should we be upset? Well, the fact is we intuitively know it’s wrong, there’s a moral law against that. The same is true for what the President has done to the military enforcing open homosexuality in our military. You can change the law but you can’t change the moral law that’s behind it. You can change the positive law, the law that is created by man, but you can’t change the moral law, it’s wrong. So what you have is you have a total breakdown and you can’t pick and choose. Morality is not a smorgasbord; you can’t pick what you want. I think you’re absolutely right, this is a fundamental issue going forward because if we say ‘let them do what we want,’ what’s next? You cannot maintain moral order if you are willing to allow a few things to slide."
• Says gays and lesbians are "held captive by the enemy"
• Claims his kids couldn't be gay because he is "teaching them the right ways that they are to interact as human beings" (3:15-3:39)
• Compared Mayor Bloomberg's proposed ban on supersized soft drinks to the "need" to ban homosexuality: "On one hand, he's happy to legislate people's food choices, using the dangers of obesity as justification. On the other, he not only promotes--but forces others to embrace--a sexual behavior that carries just as many public health risks. If that isn't hypocrisy, I don't know what is....On the "Today" show, Bloomberg reiterated that all he wants to do is improve life expectancy. If that's the case, then perhaps the Mayor should reconsider his endorsement of homosexuality, which, as Peter Sprigg explains, is one of the greatest public health hazards in America." 
• Equates LGBT pride with drunkedness and adultery: "The month of June is Gay Pride Month. Now, I have not yet seen where they have declared Adultery Pride Month, I have not seen where they have declared the Drunkenness Pride Month." 
• Dedicated seven minutes of a recent radio should to framing scientifically-discredited "ex-gay" therapy as "successful," encouraging gays to "escape the homosexual lifestyle"
• Claims: "Even if society embraced homosexuality, there would never be that sense of self-fulfillment because it's outside of how God created man and woman, and that's the bottom line.  They can't erase that." 
• Tells "funny" story about his church converting "big women" into "ex-gays"
• Claims Uganda bill (with death penalty attached) simply "upholds moral conduct"
• Equates gay people with drug addicts, adulterers: "...[W]e need to be praying for those who are bound up in these lifestyles whether it is homosexuality, whether it is drugs, whatever it might be, anything that is outside the design of God for mankind, it could be adulterous relationships, it doesn’t matter."
• Compares the "unfortunate experience" and "lifestyle choice" of homosexuality to that of drug abuse
• Claims court-tested marriage equality will lead to a "revolution" in America
• Says marriage equality will be "the nail in coffin of marriage" and will "take society down with it"
• Says Republican Senator Rob Portman should not support his gay son's "choices that are both harmful to [him] and to society as a whole"
• Says Supreme Court justice Anthony Kennedy should be impeached simply because of his marriage ruling
• Says the Ten Commandments should be the law of the land
• Claims servicemembers' same-sex weddings "desecrate" military chapels
• Advises a man to not marry his fiancee simply because she is of a different faith; claims "not all religions are equal"
• Backed a double standard pertaining to the religious freedom of the pro-gay United Church of Christ, saying "I would use that term ‘Christian’ loosely."

So, you are a supporter of Sodom and Gomorah? Not sure how confronting sexual immorality is considered a hate crime.

[thesometimesaint]

Rofl

You are being silly Saint. I don't know who Toney Perkins is. I don't even care. What I do know is that you like to label them as a hate group so you can just dismiss anything they say I am betting there is more to his comments that what you are saying. Experience has taught me that much from you. And pot met kettle. Mr Myopic. 

 

Tony Perkins is the head of the FRC. Where have I dismissed anything they say? I take them very seriously. Just substitute the name Mormon's and it should become real clear as to what they are peddling. BTW  My major at college was mental health. I have nothing against actual morons except for people who choose to act like they are.

[thesometimesaint]

So, you are a supporter of Sodom and Gomorah? Not sure how confronting sexual immorality is considered a hate crime.

 

Nope. I'm a supporter of adults willingly choosing what they do between the sheets. Free from a bunch busy bodies, and governments putting their noses where they don't belong. I don't know about you but I chose to become a member of the Church. I fully support its mission to convert the world by  each and every individuals free choice.

 

I never said it was a hate crime. You, I, and they are free to speak about any subject we want. The constitution guarantees each of us the right to make complete fools of ourselves when standing on our own soap box. When we get off our soap boxes and actually do something then the law may become involved.

[Rob Osborn]

Nope. I'm a supporter of adults willingly choosing what they do between the sheets. Free from a bunch busy bodies, and governments putting their noses where they don't belong. I don't know about you but I chose to become a member of the Church. I fully support its mission to convert the world by  each and every individuals free choice.

 

I never said it was a hate crime. You, I, and they are free to speak about any subject we want. The constitution guarantees each of us the right to make complete fools of ourselves when standing on our own soap box. When we get off our soap boxes and actually do something then the law may become involved.

We are indeed free to do what we want. I am totally in favor of groups like FRC because they stand for something much needed in society- morals.

[The Nehor]

We are indeed free to do what we want. I am totally in favor of groups like FRC because they stand for something much needed in society- morals.

 

I am totally in favor of the Spanish Inquisition because they stand for something much needed in society - morals. Their methods are meaningless to me because I agree with them on a few moral points.....though I hear they focus on surprise and fear and are expected by no one.

[Rock_N_Roll]

We are indeed free to do what we want. I am totally in favor of groups like FRC because they stand for something much needed in society- morals.

 

I'm sure the members and leaders of the Westboro Baptist Church believed they "stood for something much needed in society - morals", as well. Were you also in favor of that group?

 

You're out of the thread.

[USU78]

I'm sure the members and leaders of the Westboro Baptist Church believed they "stood for something much needed in society - morals", as well. Were you also in favor of that group?

 

Godwin Rides Again!

[USU78]

I am totally in favor of the Spanish Inquisition because they stand for something much needed in society - morals.

 

And again!

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

Saint is a saint! 

Yup I know. Sometimes it makes it worse. But what ever.

[mtomm]

Godwin Rides Again!

 

I thought Godwin's Law was referencing Hitler or the Nazi'sand  not just any extreme group.

 

 

 

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1" ^[2][3]—​ that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Edited July 11, 2014 by mtomm

[USU78]

I thought Godwin's Law was referencing Hitler or the Nazi'sand  not just any extreme group.

 

Same concept

[The Nehor]

And again!

Oh come on. Mine at least incorporated a humorous Monty Python reference. Also, Godwin is limited to Hitler and Nazis. In virtually every other case someone calling Godwin on something is a pretty weak argument. You are basically defending something by saying it is not as bad as the Nazis.

[Rock_N_Roll]

Godwin Rides Again!

 

"While calling foul of Godwin's law tends to cause the individual making the comparison to lose his argument or credibility, Godwin's law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate."

Edited July 11, 2014 by Rock_N_Roll

[USU78]

Oh come on. Mine at least incorporated a humorous Monty Python reference. Also, Godwin is limited to Hitler and Nazis. In virtually every other case someone calling Godwin on something is a pretty weak argument. You are basically defending something by saying it is not as bad as the Nazis.

 

No, not at all.  You don't understand the MP joke:  the inquisitors torture people by making them sit on the comfy pillow and things like that.  It was, therefore, a very inapt and flat joke.

 

USU "Yeah, I kKnow, Everybody's a Critic" 78

[USU78]

Really, though, this ad homineming of the message applies to anybody and everybody who dares question the PC cant on homosexuality.

 

I used to be appalled by the shouting down the lefties like the Kennedys would engage in in order not to allow their political opponents a fair hearing.

 

They had nothing on the screeching going on when it comes to those who refuse to buy into the PC narrative.

[The Nehor]

Really, though, this ad homineming of the message applies to anybody and everybody who dares question the PC cant on homosexuality.

 

I used to be appalled by the shouting down the lefties like the Kennedys would engage in in order not to allow their political opponents a fair hearing.

 

They had nothing on the screeching going on when it comes to those who refuse to buy into the PC narrative.

But I am not part of the Left. I agree that same-sex marriage is dangerous. I just despise people who lie about it and spew real actual hate speech even if I agree with them.

[Rob Osborn]

I'm sure the members and leaders of the Westboro Baptist Church believed they "stood for something much needed in society - morals", as well. Were you also in favor of that group?

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints stands for morals are you in favor of that group?

[BlueDreams]

Really, though, this ad homineming of the message applies to anybody and everybody who dares question the PC cant on homosexuality.

 

I used to be appalled by the shouting down the lefties like the Kennedys would engage in in order not to allow their political opponents a fair hearing.

 

They had nothing on the screeching going on when it comes to those who refuse to buy into the PC narrative.

 

This has almost nothing to do with being PC

 

What was stated by the site unnecessarily pathologizes a feeling at best and demonizes it at worse. The church has moved well away from such a narrative. Therapists (lds, gay affirming, and everything in between) have moved FAR beyond this sort of idea. And there's a solid reason for it...it dehumanizes large swaths of people. And the worse dialogue goes beyond that and makes them the enemy and unsafe or a hindrance to society.

 

You don't even need to have a background in social sciences to figure out the potential problems with this.

 

And this is certainly in no way similar to Anti-Mormons. I spent five minutes on the site and immediately found policies that were overtly discriminatory , homophobic and, frankly, socially dangerous.

 

And Pedophiles are in no way equivalent (or correlated) to gay individuals. I don't believe this is even being suggested. Pedophiles do not see children and mutual partners that they live, negotiate, and work to make a loving life with as mutually engaged and consenting partners. Whether you believe in SSM or not doesn't mean that their decisions in a partner is somehow pathological. Pedophilia uses children as objects, not people. It's like comparing heterosexuals and rape. 

 

 With luv,

BD