Research On Kids Of Same Sex Couples

[MorningStar]

I think the Lord's definition of kids "turning out OK" is different than the people who did this study.  There was an article I read a while back by a man who was raised by lesbians and said the situation was abusive by nature because he was expected to just be happy with the situation and not ask questions about his father. 

[california boy]

The fact that the results are all based upon self reporting via a survey of same sex parents make this study almost worthless. The bias in this study cannot be overstated.

People love to criticize the work of Mark Regnerus, but in my opinion, his is the most objective research on the topic. It is based entirely upon surveys of children that have come from a wide range of family types. His data suggest that same sex parent homes produce kids with challenges comparable to single mother homes.

His paper is found here:

http://www.markregnerus.com/uploads/4/0/6/5/4065759/regnerus_july_2012_ssr.pdf

Well that explaines your attitudes towards gay couples raising children since Mark Regnerus's study had nothing to do with gay COUPLES raising children

Mark Regnerus's criteria was only ione of the parents was gay or even had ever had a gay experience on order to be included. Mark Regnerus has even stated that his study was NOT about gay couples. Most of the children in the study also had a straight parent which would also make them unfit parents.

A tenuous gay connection but the right wing media and apparently you loved it.

[california boy]

This makes no sense. Decades of clinical and other research showing homosexuals generally suffer a very high (some would say atrociously high) incidence of other mental and emotional diseases and syndromes as well as physical ailments, and the offspring of such persons suffer a very high (some would say atrociously high) incidence of mental, physical, emotional and social impairments, both of which demonstrating a pretty high (some would say indisputably high) causal link back to homosexuality, but since the results don't fit the politically correct narrative of gay = happy and well adjusted and no danger to anybody especially not children you mock the necessarily resultant lack of funding for further research?

Please explain.

Do you have any studies that gay committed couples raising children have these same problems? Perhaps marrying and settling down stabilizes individuals and is why society is moving towArds encouraging gay marriage

[thesometimesaint]

I beg to differ in these claims about sexual abuse of kids.  Adult male abuse of male kids represents about a third of child molestation cases.  The percentage of adults who consider themselves homosexual is around 3 percent.  About 70 percent of adult males who abuse adolescent males consider themselves heterosexual.  So there is a fair amount of blurring of definitions.  But if you look at the prevalence of male on male child sexual abuse, there is a disproportionate amount of homosexual abuse of adolescent males.  

 

That doesn't answer the question.

[Tacenda]

This makes no sense. Decades of clinical and other research showing homosexuals generally suffer a very high (some would say atrociously high) incidence of other mental and emotional diseases and syndromes as well as physical ailments, and the offspring of such persons suffer a very high (some would say atrociously high) incidence of mental, physical, emotional and social impairments, both of which demonstrating a pretty high (some would say indisputably high) causal link back to homosexuality, but since the results don't fit the politically correct narrative of gay = happy and well adjusted and no danger to anybody especially not children you mock the necessarily resultant lack of funding for further research?

Please explain.

Well maybe if we treat gays, which btw doesn't mean "happy" in this circumstance, like equals they wouldn't have these mental disorders. I read an article the other day that we can inherit our ancesters difficulties through their genes. What they went through, whatever it might be, can show in their gene make-up and passed through to their offspring. Sounds like our gay ancesters went through a lot of heartache because they were gay, apparent to me anyway and we shouldn't add to it. It's probably not as you have assumed, and a mental condition that causes one to just think they're gay. Or did I read your post wrong? I'll try to find the article.

Let's put this syndrome to rest, once and for all.

[USU78]

Well maybe if we treat gays, which btw doesn't mean "happy" in this circumstance, like equals they wouldn't have these mental disorders. I read an article the other day that we can inherit our ancesters difficulties through their genes. What they went through, whatever it might be, can show in their gene make-up and passed through to their offspring. Sounds like our gay ancesters went through a lot of heartache because they were gay, apparent to me anyway and we shouldn't add to it. It's probably not as you have assumed, and a mental condition that causes one to just think they're gay. Or did I read your post wrong? I'll try to find the article.

Let's put this syndrome to rest, once and for all.

if we had some ham, we could have ham and eggs, if we had the eggs.

[EllenMaksoud]

Perhaps the "Focus on the Family" type ilk jump the gun on being so judgmental about children of same-sex couples too much. The article can be read here.

There are just lots of children of heterosexual parents who lived in a hell growing up. It is more important that a child be loved than taught proper gender roles. I am fairly sure that in history the conventional idea of gender roles caused more harm than good and at some point in the future, should we somehow survive, will be abandoned entirely.

 

In a Same Sex parent house, perhaps children will just seek out the role that their own biology makes obvious. And for most children, girls will like dolls and boys will still throw the cat off the barn roof with a bed sheet parachute. There are lots of children where the boys like to cook with mom, and the girls will be out changing the oil on the tractor.

 

There are those children today that are forced into a role unnatural for them with force and malace.

 

As to the whole GBLT thing, I do not get it, but will not condemn it.

[USU78]

Homosexuals experience a higher rate of suicidal ideation, and substance abuse than heterosexuals. When discrimination is factored in the difference largely disappears.

http://psychcentral.com/lib/higher-risk-of-mental-health-problems-for-homosexuals/0006527

 

The term gay has been loosely associated with homosexuality for a couple of hundred years now. Though the word association is more common now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay

 

The vast majority of childhood sex is with child heterosexuals. Further homosexual rape of children is a small percentage of all rapes of children. Pedophilia is predominately a heterosexual act.

SEE http://www.childmolestationprevention.org/pdfs/study.pdf

 

It should be easy for the LDS to understand. We took the politically incorrect slur "Mormon" and made it into our nickname.

 

 

{sigh}

 

Just so long as one can shoe-horn this month's pet's story into the PC narrative it doesn't matter a bit whether the narrative is based upon facts, experience, or sound reason.

 

For example, the insistence upon ignoring the plain fact that male on male child sex abuse is a homosexual phenomenon, and no amount of PC redefinition of the term will ever change that fact.

 

~86% of male-on-male child sex abusers self-identify as homosexual or, at least, bisexual.

 

The homosexual lobby takes credit for those who call themselves bisexual when it suits their purposes, but in this instance, of course, they don't because the truth of the matter doesn't match the PC narrative.

 

USU "As for me and my house, we'll support the Boy Scouts in banning the wolf from the flock" 78

[USU78]

 It is more important that a child be loved than taught proper gender roles.

 

 

James 1:

 22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

 23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:

 24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

 

Define "love" without including in that definition teaching the child and, when necessary, chastening the child who walks not according to loving teaching.

 

Be a doer of love, and not a hearer only . . . forgetting what it is to love when the cameras aren't rolling.

[thesometimesaint]

{sigh}

 

Just so long as one can shoe-horn this month's pet's story into the PC narrative it doesn't matter a bit whether the narrative is based upon facts, experience, or sound reason.

 

For example, the insistence upon ignoring the plain fact that male on male child sex abuse is a homosexual phenomenon, and no amount of PC redefinition of the term will ever change that fact.

 

~86% of male-on-male child sex abusers self-identify as homosexual or, at least, bisexual.

 

The homosexual lobby takes credit for those who call themselves bisexual when it suits their purposes, but in this instance, of course, they don't because the truth of the matter doesn't match the PC narrative.

 

USU "As for me and my house, we'll support the Boy Scouts in banning the wolf from the flock" 78

 

The FRC is not a trustworthy organization. It is however a hate group.

 

As for me and my house we'll support and defend the right of everyone to be treated as a child of God.

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

The FRC is not a trustworthy organization. It is however a hate group.

 

As for me and my house we'll support and defend the right of everyone to be treated as a child of God.

Rofl

Coming form you that means a lot.

 

And your 2nd point is a total non issue. No one is advocating for not treating people as children of God. Even Child molesters are Children of God.

 

SPLC anyone? They are not biased and they are trustworthy. WE can take TSS word for it.

Edited July 10, 2014 by Mola Ram Suda Ram

[thesometimesaint]

Rofl

Coming form you that means a lot.

 

And your 2nd point is a total non issue. No one is advocating for not treating people as children of God. Even Child molesters are Children of God.

 

SPLC anyone? They are not biased and they are trustworthy. WE can take TSS word for it.

 

I've grown to expect such myopic derision from you.

 

The FRC is treating people like something less than the children of God. In FRC Toney Perkins’ words; pedophilia is “a homosexual problem” — an utter falsehood, as every relevant scientific authority has stated. An FRC official has said he wanted to “export homosexuals from the United States.” The same official advocated the criminalizing of homosexuality.

 

It is quite obvious that you go to the "Protocols of the Elders" for your ideas on the Jews.

[Rob Osborn]

The FRC is not a trustworthy organization. It is however a hate group.

 

As for me and my house we'll support and defend the right of everyone to be treated as a child of God.

So, you are an advocate of pornography, gay marriage, etc?

[thesometimesaint]

So, you are an advocate of pornography, gay marriage, etc?

 

Nope. To quote a GA in a recent GC talk. Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should.

[Rob Osborn]

Nope. To quote a GA in a recent GC talk. Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should.

Hum, when you say that you dont trust the FRC and then say they are a hate group thats kind of like saying that you disagree with their views entirely. The FRC is a pro-life and pro-marriage/pro-traditional family. Not sure but do why you hate them? Is it entirely because they are consevative and doesnt align with your party affiliation?

[thesometimesaint]

Hum, when you say that you dont trust the FRC and then say they are a hate group thats kind of like saying that you disagree with their views entirely. The FRC is a pro-life and pro-marriage/pro-traditional family. Not sure but do why you hate them? Is it entirely because they are consevative and doesnt align with your party affiliation?

 

When any group advocates for hate then it is by definition a hate group. IE; There are certain Aryan groups that claim to be pro-white. Does that mean they are not also hate groups? Do I disagree with the FRC entirely? No. Do I hate the FRC? No. Just because I disagree with something someone says and/or does doesn't mean I hate them.

 

I have nothing against conservatives I'm related to more than a few. As I'm am not a member of any political party. Therefore it is a Non Sequitur for you to claim I have a party affiliation.

BTW I've voted for Republicans, Democrats, Independents, and Green's.

[Raingirl]

There are just lots of children of heterosexual parents who lived in a hell growing up. It is more important that a child be loved than taught proper gender roles. I am fairly sure that in history the conventional idea of gender roles caused more harm than good....

Are you making the claim that it was the parents' heterosexuality that was the cause of the "hell"?

If you are "fairly sure" that gender roles have caused "more harm than good", then no doubt you have ample data to back that up. Please do share.

[Rob Osborn]

When any group advocates for hate then it is by definition a hate group. IE; There are certain Aryan groups that claim to be pro-white. Does that mean they are not also hate groups? Do I disagree with the FRC entirely? No. Do I hate the FRC? No. Just because I disagree with something someone says and/or does doesn't mean I hate them.

 

I have nothing against conservatives I'm related to more than a few. As I'm am not a member of any political party. Therefore it is a Non Sequitur for you to claim I have a party affiliation.

BTW I've voted for Republicans, Democrats, Independents, and Green's.

I couldntfind anywhere that they advocate hate. CFR please

[california boy]

{sigh}

Just so long as one can shoe-horn this month's pet's story into the PC narrative it doesn't matter a bit whether the narrative is based upon facts, experience, or sound reason.

For example, the insistence upon ignoring the plain fact that male on male child sex abuse is a homosexual phenomenon, and no amount of PC redefinition of the term will ever change that fact.

~86% of male-on-male child sex abusers self-identify as homosexual or, at least, bisexual.

The homosexual lobby takes credit for those who call themselves bisexual when it suits their purposes, but in this instance, of course, they don't because the truth of the matter doesn't match the PC narrative.

USU "As for me and my house, we'll support the Boy Scouts in banning the wolf from the flock" 78

Well this post shows incredible ignorance. A peediphile is not the same as someone that is gay. Sandusky for example definite was a peediphile and molested. Boys. but there is NOTHING that would indicate he was gay.

[thesometimesaint]

I couldntfind anywhere that they advocate hate. CFR please

 

 

FRC says that:

• Says about gay people: “They are intolerant. They are hateful. They are vile. They are spiteful"..."pawns" of the "enemy.” (See 1:30 mark.)
• Claims LGBT activists are going to "start rolling out the boxcars" and carting away Christians (a reference to the Holocaust)
• Claims gay parents ''provide distorted values to innocent adopted kids"
• Lumps together Aurora shooting, kidnapping, and openly gay soldiers as three examples of a "nation gone under"
• Says many gays have an "emptiness within them" (:55) because they are "operating outside of nature" (1:09)
• Says that gay young people “have a higher propensity to depression or suicide because of that internal conflict; homosexuals may recognize intuitively that their same-sex attractions are abnormal.”
• Despite what health experts have said, insists that pedophilia is “a homosexual problem.”
• The Family Research Council has distributed a pamphlet that claims gay men are more likely to molest children, and supports "reorientation therapy" for gay people
• The Family Research Council has distributed a pamphlet that begins by likening the logic behind same-sex marriage to the logic behind man-horse marriage (complete with horse graphic)
• Compares gay legal advocates to terrorists (at 0:31 mark): “ack in the 80s and early 90s, I worked with the State Department in anti-terrorism and we trained about 50 different countries in defending against terrorism, and it’s, at its base, what terrorism is, it's a strike against the general populace simply to spread fear and intimidation so that they can disrupt and destabilize the system of government. That's what the homosexuals are doing here to the legal system.”
• Says: "It doesn't matter what society does, I think within the homosexual, most of them know that this behavior, it's just not right, it's not what we were created to do and it's against God's plan and it's contrary to our nature and the way were were created."
• Says: “The truth is that we cannot redefine marriage without opening the door to all manner of moral and social evil.”
• Called the It Gets Better project "disgusting," claiming it tells children "that it's okay to be immoral" and constitutes a "concerted effort to persuade kids that homosexuality is okay and actually to recruit them into that lifestyle"; also called the project a "deceptive lie"
• Paid $82,500 to use the phone bank of former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke for an election run-off.
• Warns about marriage equality and trans acceptance: "As parents across Massachusetts fume about the new rules, the controversy certainly reinforces an important point: this is the future of same-sex ' marriage'  in America. It may take teenage boys invading girls' locker rooms to prove it, but redefining marriage is about a lot more than two people who love each other. This is about the fundamental altering of society. Maybe some of you have fallen for the lie that same-sex ' marriage'  won't affect you. I guarantee that you'll feel differently when you're trying to pull your second grader out of a lesson on homosexuality--and end up in handcuffs instead. Or when your daughter comes home in tears because she's been suspended for telling someone she felt uncomfortable using the bathroom with a male teacher inside. By then, it will be too late."
• Claims "blood of young marines" is on hands of legislators who voted to repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell.
• Claims "people know intuitively that [homosexuality] is morally wrong"
• Says "it's a fact" that homosexuality leads to "eternal damnation"
• Linked Secret Service prostitution scandal directly to open service: "[O]ver the weekend we saw the news of the President’s Secret Service detail in Colombia and the issue of them hiring prostitutes and now the White House is outraged about that. Actually in a meeting this morning my staff asked, ‘why should the President be upset’? It was actually legal; it was legal there to do that, so why should we be upset? Well, the fact is we intuitively know it’s wrong, there’s a moral law against that. The same is true for what the President has done to the military enforcing open homosexuality in our military. You can change the law but you can’t change the moral law that’s behind it. You can change the positive law, the law that is created by man, but you can’t change the moral law, it’s wrong. So what you have is you have a total breakdown and you can’t pick and choose. Morality is not a smorgasbord; you can’t pick what you want. I think you’re absolutely right, this is a fundamental issue going forward because if we say ‘let them do what we want,’ what’s next? You cannot maintain moral order if you are willing to allow a few things to slide."
• Says gays and lesbians are "held captive by the enemy"
• Claims his kids couldn't be gay because he is "teaching them the right ways that they are to interact as human beings" (3:15-3:39)
• Compared Mayor Bloomberg's proposed ban on supersized soft drinks to the "need" to ban homosexuality: "On one hand, he's happy to legislate people's food choices, using the dangers of obesity as justification. On the other, he not only promotes--but forces others to embrace--a sexual behavior that carries just as many public health risks. If that isn't hypocrisy, I don't know what is....On the "Today" show, Bloomberg reiterated that all he wants to do is improve life expectancy. If that's the case, then perhaps the Mayor should reconsider his endorsement of homosexuality, which, as Peter Sprigg explains, is one of the greatest public health hazards in America." 
• Equates LGBT pride with drunkedness and adultery: "The month of June is Gay Pride Month. Now, I have not yet seen where they have declared Adultery Pride Month, I have not seen where they have declared the Drunkenness Pride Month." 
• Dedicated seven minutes of a recent radio should to framing scientifically-discredited "ex-gay" therapy as "successful," encouraging gays to "escape the homosexual lifestyle"
• Claims: "Even if society embraced homosexuality, there would never be that sense of self-fulfillment because it's outside of how God created man and woman, and that's the bottom line.  They can't erase that." 
• Tells "funny" story about his church converting "big women" into "ex-gays"
• Claims Uganda bill (with death penalty attached) simply "upholds moral conduct"
• Equates gay people with drug addicts, adulterers: "...[W]e need to be praying for those who are bound up in these lifestyles whether it is homosexuality, whether it is drugs, whatever it might be, anything that is outside the design of God for mankind, it could be adulterous relationships, it doesn’t matter."
• Compares the "unfortunate experience" and "lifestyle choice" of homosexuality to that of drug abuse
• Claims court-tested marriage equality will lead to a "revolution" in America
• Says marriage equality will be "the nail in coffin of marriage" and will "take society down with it"
• Says Republican Senator Rob Portman should not support his gay son's "choices that are both harmful to [him] and to society as a whole"
• Says Supreme Court justice Anthony Kennedy should be impeached simply because of his marriage ruling
• Says the Ten Commandments should be the law of the land
• Claims servicemembers' same-sex weddings "desecrate" military chapels
• Advises a man to not marry his fiancee simply because she is of a different faith; claims "not all religions are equal"
• Backed a double standard pertaining to the religious freedom of the pro-gay United Church of Christ, saying "I would use that term ‘Christian’ loosely."

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

 

 

 

FRC says that:

• Says about gay people: “They are intolerant. They are hateful. They are vile. They are spiteful"..."pawns" of the "enemy.” (See 1:30 mark.)
• Claims LGBT activists are going to "start rolling out the boxcars" and carting away Christians (a reference to the Holocaust)
• Claims gay parents ''provide distorted values to innocent adopted kids"
• Lumps together Aurora shooting, kidnapping, and openly gay soldiers as three examples of a "nation gone under"
• Says many gays have an "emptiness within them" (:55) because they are "operating outside of nature" (1:09)
• Says that gay young people “have a higher propensity to depression or suicide because of that internal conflict; homosexuals may recognize intuitively that their same-sex attractions are abnormal.”
• Despite what health experts have said, insists that pedophilia is “a homosexual problem.”
• The Family Research Council has distributed a pamphlet that claims gay men are more likely to molest children, and supports "reorientation therapy" for gay people
• The Family Research Council has distributed a pamphlet that begins by likening the logic behind same-sex marriage to the logic behind man-horse marriage (complete with horse graphic)
• Compares gay legal advocates to terrorists (at 0:31 mark): “ack in the 80s and early 90s, I worked with the State Department in anti-terrorism and we trained about 50 different countries in defending against terrorism, and it’s, at its base, what terrorism is, it's a strike against the general populace simply to spread fear and intimidation so that they can disrupt and destabilize the system of government. That's what the homosexuals are doing here to the legal system.”
• Says: "It doesn't matter what society does, I think within the homosexual, most of them know that this behavior, it's just not right, it's not what we were created to do and it's against God's plan and it's contrary to our nature and the way were were created."
• Says: “The truth is that we cannot redefine marriage without opening the door to all manner of moral and social evil.”
• Called the It Gets Better project "disgusting," claiming it tells children "that it's okay to be immoral" and constitutes a "concerted effort to persuade kids that homosexuality is okay and actually to recruit them into that lifestyle"; also called the project a "deceptive lie"
• Paid $82,500 to use the phone bank of former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke for an election run-off.
• Warns about marriage equality and trans acceptance: "As parents across Massachusetts fume about the new rules, the controversy certainly reinforces an important point: this is the future of same-sex ' marriage'  in America. It may take teenage boys invading girls' locker rooms to prove it, but redefining marriage is about a lot more than two people who love each other. This is about the fundamental altering of society. Maybe some of you have fallen for the lie that same-sex ' marriage'  won't affect you. I guarantee that you'll feel differently when you're trying to pull your second grader out of a lesson on homosexuality--and end up in handcuffs instead. Or when your daughter comes home in tears because she's been suspended for telling someone she felt uncomfortable using the bathroom with a male teacher inside. By then, it will be too late."
• Claims "blood of young marines" is on hands of legislators who voted to repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell.
• Claims "people know intuitively that [homosexuality] is morally wrong"
• Says "it's a fact" that homosexuality leads to "eternal damnation"
• Linked Secret Service prostitution scandal directly to open service: "[O]ver the weekend we saw the news of the President’s Secret Service detail in Colombia and the issue of them hiring prostitutes and now the White House is outraged about that. Actually in a meeting this morning my staff asked, ‘why should the President be upset’? It was actually legal; it was legal there to do that, so why should we be upset? Well, the fact is we intuitively know it’s wrong, there’s a moral law against that. The same is true for what the President has done to the military enforcing open homosexuality in our military. You can change the law but you can’t change the moral law that’s behind it. You can change the positive law, the law that is created by man, but you can’t change the moral law, it’s wrong. So what you have is you have a total breakdown and you can’t pick and choose. Morality is not a smorgasbord; you can’t pick what you want. I think you’re absolutely right, this is a fundamental issue going forward because if we say ‘let them do what we want,’ what’s next? You cannot maintain moral order if you are willing to allow a few things to slide."
• Says gays and lesbians are "held captive by the enemy"
• Claims his kids couldn't be gay because he is "teaching them the right ways that they are to interact as human beings" (3:15-3:39)
• Compared Mayor Bloomberg's proposed ban on supersized soft drinks to the "need" to ban homosexuality: "On one hand, he's happy to legislate people's food choices, using the dangers of obesity as justification. On the other, he not only promotes--but forces others to embrace--a sexual behavior that carries just as many public health risks. If that isn't hypocrisy, I don't know what is....On the "Today" show, Bloomberg reiterated that all he wants to do is improve life expectancy. If that's the case, then perhaps the Mayor should reconsider his endorsement of homosexuality, which, as Peter Sprigg explains, is one of the greatest public health hazards in America." 
• Equates LGBT pride with drunkedness and adultery: "The month of June is Gay Pride Month. Now, I have not yet seen where they have declared Adultery Pride Month, I have not seen where they have declared the Drunkenness Pride Month." 
• Dedicated seven minutes of a recent radio should to framing scientifically-discredited "ex-gay" therapy as "successful," encouraging gays to "escape the homosexual lifestyle"
• Claims: "Even if society embraced homosexuality, there would never be that sense of self-fulfillment because it's outside of how God created man and woman, and that's the bottom line.  They can't erase that." 
• Tells "funny" story about his church converting "big women" into "ex-gays"
• Claims Uganda bill (with death penalty attached) simply "upholds moral conduct"
• Equates gay people with drug addicts, adulterers: "...[W]e need to be praying for those who are bound up in these lifestyles whether it is homosexuality, whether it is drugs, whatever it might be, anything that is outside the design of God for mankind, it could be adulterous relationships, it doesn’t matter."
• Compares the "unfortunate experience" and "lifestyle choice" of homosexuality to that of drug abuse
• Claims court-tested marriage equality will lead to a "revolution" in America
• Says marriage equality will be "the nail in coffin of marriage" and will "take society down with it"
• Says Republican Senator Rob Portman should not support his gay son's "choices that are both harmful to [him] and to society as a whole"
• Says Supreme Court justice Anthony Kennedy should be impeached simply because of his marriage ruling
• Says the Ten Commandments should be the law of the land
• Claims servicemembers' same-sex weddings "desecrate" military chapels
• Advises a man to not marry his fiancee simply because she is of a different faith; claims "not all religions are equal"
• Backed a double standard pertaining to the religious freedom of the pro-gay United Church of Christ, saying "I would use that term ‘Christian’ loosely."

What you are doing is no different than what anti-morons do to us. Good grief you are being silly saint.

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

I've grown to expect such myopic derision from you.

 

The FRC is treating people like something less than the children of God. In FRC Toney Perkins’ words; pedophilia is “a homosexual problem” — an utter falsehood, as every relevant scientific authority has stated. An FRC official has said he wanted to “export homosexuals from the United States.” The same official advocated the criminalizing of homosexuality.

 

It is quite obvious that you go to the "Protocols of the Elders" for your ideas on the Jews.

Rofl

You are being silly Saint. I don't know who Toney Perkins is. I don't even care. What I do know is that you like to label them as a hate group so you can just dismiss anything they say I am betting there is more to his comments that what you are saying. Experience has taught me that much from you. And pot met kettle. Mr Myopic. 

Edited July 10, 2014 by Mola Ram Suda Ram

[USU78]

Well this post shows incredible ignorance. A peediphile is not the same as someone that is gay. Sandusky for example definite was a peediphile and molested. Boys. but there is NOTHING that would indicate he was gay.

 

I reject that politically correct taxonomy, obviously, as it is self-serving, misleading and dangerous.

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

I reject that politically correct taxonomy, obviously, as it is self-serving, misleading and dangerous.

So he was molesting members of the same sex but he was not gay? Got it.

[The Nehor]

So he was molesting members of the same sex but he was not gay? Got it.

 

Pedophilia is a fetish and like many other fetishes is not necessarily tied to one's sexuality. I am not sure if you are ignorant or obtuse.

 

Hum, when you say that you dont trust the FRC and then say they are a hate group thats kind of like saying that you disagree with their views entirely. The FRC is a pro-life and pro-marriage/pro-traditional family. Not sure but do why you hate them? Is it entirely because they are consevative and doesnt align with your party affiliation?

 

At the risk of a Godwin's law violation the Nazis were pro-marriage and pro-traditional family to the point that they crippled their war effort by not having women take the place of men in the factories. They were very conservative. Does that make them a non-hate group?

 

I think same-sex marriage is dangerous to society and individuals but the FRC is also dangerous. The organization should be shunned. There are terrible people who agree with every viewpoint. That I agree with them does not make said people less terrible.