Dear Evangelical Friends: Can A Mormon Be A Christian?

[dberrie2000]

What is the difference between mentally accepting something and deciding to trust that something with your life? 

 

You are on a hike. You come up to a rope bridge. You mentally accept that it's there, but when you decide to step on it, and trust it with your life, that is the difference. 

 

The fully trusting Christ with our life/salvation/future etc. is what saves us. His work saves us. 

 

 

There is no doubt His work offered us the opportunity to inherit eternal life.

 

Are you saying you believe all will be judged according to God's works here?

 

John 5:28-29---King James Version (KJV)

²⁸ Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

²⁹ And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 

Matthew 16:27---King James Version (KJV)

²⁷ For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

 

[thesometimesaint]

What is the difference between mentally accepting something and deciding to trust that something with your life? 

 

You are on a hike. You come up to a rope bridge. You mentally accept that it's there, but when you decide to step on it, and trust it with your life, that is the difference. 

 

The fully trusting Christ with our life/salvation/future etc. is what saves us. His work saves us. 

 

I like that analogy. It shows that Christ is the one that saves us when we do the work of stepping out onto that rope bridge.

Faith without works is dead.

[coolrok7]

KevinG, it's not a matter of trying to exclude Mormons from Christianity, or others for that matter, it's a definitional problem based on what claims are made by someone I see meeting the Biblical standard of what makes one a false prophet (based on what is taught).

I don't take any pleasure in this, it's a matter of living the faith I was called to, all of us are, and being true to the faith delivered to the saints (Jude).

By the way, read Romans 5 and get back to me, ok?

Edited October 24, 2014 by coolrok7

[Vance]

By the way, read Romans 5 and get back to me, ok?

Read it. Didn't find anything in it that contradicts LDS theology.

[Vance]

Vance, Jesus said to watch out for false prophets who come in His name . . .

True, BUT the warning as given is only valid if one understands that TRUE prophets are expected.

. . . which is what Joseph Smith did.

Who do you think is the source of your hatred for Joseph Smith?

(You hatred is obvious, given the snide remarks, cheap shots, and false accusations.)

[danielwoods]

 

There is no doubt His work offered us the opportunity to inherit eternal life.

 

Are you saying you believe all will be judged according to God's works here?

 

John 5:28-29---King James Version (KJV)

²⁸ Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

²⁹ And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 

Matthew 16:27---King James Version (KJV)

²⁷ For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

 

 

 

 

I'm unclear as to what you mean by "God's works here"?

 

I agree with the scriptures. He shall reward everyman according to his works. 

[dberrie2000]

dberrie2000, on 24 Oct 2014 - 1:48 PM, said:

 

There is no doubt His work offered us the opportunity to inherit eternal life.

 

Are you saying you believe all will be judged according to God's works here?

 

John 5:28-29---King James Version (KJV)

²⁸ Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

²⁹ And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 

Matthew 16:27---King James Version (KJV)

²⁷ For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

 

 

I'm unclear as to what you mean by "God's works here"?

 

I agree with the scriptures. He shall reward everyman according to his works. 

 

You stated God's work saves us. I agree, as to the opportunity to inherit life--as a free gift to all men:

 

Romans 5:18---King James Version (KJV)

¹⁸ Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

 

 

As to the actual reception of eternal life--Christ testified all will be judged in accordance with their works--for life or damnation--as witnessed in John5:28-29.

 

Hebrews 5:9---King James Version (KJV)

⁹ And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

[danielwoods]

 

dberrie2000, on 24 Oct 2014 - 1:48 PM, said:

 

There is no doubt His work offered us the opportunity to inherit eternal life.

 

Are you saying you believe all will be judged according to God's works here?

 

John 5:28-29---King James Version (KJV)

²⁸ Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

²⁹ And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 

Matthew 16:27---King James Version (KJV)

²⁷ For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

 

 

 

You stated God's work saves us. I agree, as to the opportunity to inherit life--as a free gift to all men:

 

Romans 5:18---King James Version (KJV)

¹⁸ Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

 

 

As to the actual reception of eternal life--Christ testified all will be judged in accordance with their works--for life or damnation--as witnessed in John5:28-29.

 

Hebrews 5:9---King James Version (KJV)

⁹ And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

 

 

Right. After death the judgement. Two places, heaven or hell. That's it. 

[coolrok7]

Anakin7, whose Biff Tannon?

[Anakin7]

       You really do not know who Biff Tannon is ?, Really ?. In a hurry must get ready for work, perhaps I can/will expound later as to his identity.

       Hint - Back To The Future".

In His Debt/Grace

 Salvation Is Free

    2 Nephi 2:4

       Anakin7

Edited October 25, 2014 by Anakin7

[coolrok7]

You assume to much perhaps. I don't know who that is, at least by name. I'm familiar with the movie.

Edited October 25, 2014 by coolrok7

[coolrok7]

The following concerning the character of the Back to the Future movies:

 

 

. . .Biff is a tall,  arrogant, violent bully who obtains what he wants by intimidating others into dong his work for him, or by cheating. He and his family members have a tendency to misuse idioms in a way that he makes them appear foolish and comical despite their intention to insult or intimidate. . . .(Wikepedia)

 

 

Boy, do you have me pegged!

[coolrok7]

Vance, the warning is given for when the false prophets show up  so it can be discerned (It is a given that there were true prophets in the Old/New Testaments). One can then know how to identify the "them". An example (from Jesus Himself) would be the following:

 

 

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. . . .(Matthew 7:15-16a)

 

The fruit of a false prophet is their teaching or doctrine that they become known for.

 

They did show up and still do. For example, Gnostics, Muhammad, Joseph Smith Jr., Baha'u'llah, Mary Baker Eddy, Charles Taze Russell, Sun Myung Moon, Herbert W. Armstrong, Victor Paul Weirwelle, Felix Manalo, etc., etc.  Nobody had it right till these all showed up.

[thesometimesaint]

Vance, the warning is given for when the false prophets show up  so it can be discerned (It is a given that there were true prophets in the Old/New Testaments). One can then know how to identify the "them". An example (from Jesus Himself) would be the following:

 

 

 

The fruit of a false prophet is their teaching or doctrine that they become known for.

 

They did show up and still do. For example, Gnostics, Muhammad, Joseph Smith Jr., Baha'u'llah, Mary Baker Eddy, Charles Taze Russell, Sun Myung Moon, Herbert W. Armstrong, Victor Paul Weirwelle, Felix Manalo, etc., etc.  Nobody had it right till these all showed up.

 

SEE http://www.alternet.org/30-most-violent-exhortations-bible-torah-and-quran?paging=off&current_page=1#bookmark

[coolrok7]

And. . .

[Anakin7]

       coolrok from my lights you do not have a complete Biff Tannon approach but in some ways yes. Which is why I observed some simularity between the two. Not a "personal attack".  I have worked in the past as a job coach and one of my tasks was to observe and evaluate behaviors and document. My apologies.

 

In His Debt/Grace

       Anakin7

Edited October 26, 2014 by Anakin7

[thesometimesaint]

And. . .

 

Which one's of the Bible prophets are false prophets?

Edited October 26, 2014 by thesometimesaint

[Anakin7]

       And to some [ I am not saying I am one ] Protestant Reformer Martin Luther can be on that list as well, Just letting you know coolrok7.

 

In His Debt/Grace

       Anakin7

[Vance]

Vance, the warning is given for when the false prophets show up  so it can be discerned (It is a given that there were true prophets in the Old/New Testaments). One can then know how to identify the "them". An example (from Jesus Himself) would be the following:

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. . . .(Matthew 7:15-16a)

 

The fruit of a false prophet is their teaching or doctrine that they become known for.

All very true. But, again, you are missing the point. The warning as given, foretells the coming of TRUE prophets.

There are no true prophets in all of the non-LDS Christian world. Why is that?

It is because the non-LDS Christian world does not/can not produce true prophets, because it is in a state of apostasy.

And, just because you fail to recognize the fruits of the Prophet Joseph Smith, doesn't mean that they do not exist.

It is obvious that you have a deep hatred for Joseph Smith, so my question is, who do you think is the source of your hatred for Joseph Smith?

Edited October 27, 2014 by Vance

[Vance]

And to some [ I am not saying I am one ] Protestant Reformer Martin Luther can be on that list as well, Just letting you know coolrok7.

 

In His Debt/Grace

       Anakin7

Well, he did teach the acceptability of polygamy.

[cdowis]

Right. After death the judgement. Two places, heaven or hell. That's it. 

 

Paul disagrees with you.

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

Paul disagrees with you.

Its not just Paul that disagrees with him. Seems a lot of NT authors disagree with him.

[JLHPROF]

Right. After death the judgement. Two places, heaven or hell. That's it. 

 

Paul disagrees with you.

 

Its not just Paul that disagrees with him. Seems a lot of NT authors disagree with him.

 

OK, now I know this thread is going in circles.  This debate happened weeks ago on here, probably 25 pages back...(and honestly Daniel, you lost - it was pretty well evidenced even if you didn't agree).

Edited October 27, 2014 by JLHPROF

[danielwoods]

Paul disagrees with you.

 

In fact Paul doesn't teach that there are more than two places we go.

 

OK, now I know this thread is going in circles.  This debate happened weeks ago on here, probably 25 pages back...(and honestly Daniel, you lost - it was pretty well evidenced even if you didn't agree).

On an LDS board I lose. I get that. I'm not here to win, because I know I will lose every time. So you win! Yeah!

As for what the NT teaches. Nope, it doesn't teach the idea that there are more than two places we go.

[cdowis]

 

In fact Paul doesn't teach that there are more than two places we go.

 

snip

 

As for what the NT teaches. Nope, it doesn't teach the idea that there are more than two places we go.

 

 

Sigh...this goes back to our previous discussion regarding the Bible.

 

Assuming that the Bible is inerrant, where do you find an inerrant interpretation of the Bible?  Are you that source for inerrancy?  Should all Christians come to you for interpreting the Bible, or is it some brilliant theologian, philosopher, scholar? 

 

Please share this source with us and your fellow Christians.

 

(PS  I asked you this before.  Will you, once again, refuse to answer?)

Edited October 28, 2014 by cdowis