Will We Really Be Just Judged For The Desire Of Our Hearts?

[VideoGameJunkie]

What I'm getting at is that I always hear we'll be judged for the desire of our hearts, but what about the addicts that overcome their addictions but choosing not to act on their addictions, yet they desire in their heart to commit the sins. What I'm getting at is let's say a recovering alcoholic truly desires to drink in his heart, but he makes the conscience decision not to drink because it's a sin, will he be punished still for the desire of his heart wanting to drink? That would seem unfair.

[ERayR]

What I'm getting at is that I always hear we'll be judged for the desire of our hearts, but what about the addicts that overcome their addictions but choosing not to act on their addictions, yet they desire in their heart to commit the sins. What I'm getting at is let's say a recovering alcoholic truly desires to drink in his heart, but he makes the conscience decision not to drink because it's a sin, will he be punished still for the desire of his heart wanting to drink? That would seem unfair.

 

You are making assumptions not in evidence.  Addictions are appetites of the flesh not desires of the heart.

[guerreiro9]

What I'm getting at is that I always hear we'll be judged for the desire of our hearts, but what about the addicts that overcome their addictions but choosing not to act on their addictions, yet they desire in their heart to commit the sins. What I'm getting at is let's say a recovering alcoholic truly desires to drink in his heart, but he makes the conscience decision not to drink because it's a sin, will he be punished still for the desire of his heart wanting to drink? That would seem unfair.

You have described a desire of the body not of the "heart".

-guerreiro9

[VideoGameJunkie]

Then how can you tell a difference between appetites of the flesh and desires of the heart?

[rpn]

We are judge not just on the desires of our hearts, but also on our actions and our capabilities, and our efforts to become better than we start out to be.   What it means when it says the desires of our hearts is that the Lord looks not just on whether we messed up royally, but whether we were rebelling and trying to mess up, or whether it was a good deed gone awry, or pure accident, or whether we meant it, but only because we weren't thinking healthy  or whether we were doing our personal best and it still got messed up.

Edited May 28, 2014 by rpn

[guerreiro9]

Then how can you tell a difference between appetites of the flesh and desires of the heart?

I would say the biggest difference is your end goal.

-guerreiro9

[cinepro]

If we will be judged according the desires of our hearts, then I will gladly take the credit for my last 17 years of perfect Home Teaching numbers and weekly Temple attendance. 

 

Also that homeless guy I helped out this morning.

Edited May 28, 2014 by cinepro

[Paddy]

I always thought the scriptures say that we will be judged according to our works??

[Duncan]

I always thought the scriptures say that we will be judged according to our works??

 

 

yep it does

[Paddy]

Thanks. I too have heard the 'desire of your hearts' idea but is there a scriptural reference for it?? Can't look it up right now.

[ERayR]

I always thought the scriptures say that we will be judged according to our works??

 

Nope only by what we learn from our works.  Works are to allow us to learn heaven.

[Doctrine 612]

It is ok to be tempted by sin it is another to give in to that sin.

When I hear the judge by the desire of there hearts I aways hear it about the people not given a chance to hear the gospel.

Also about the way we accomplish the works of god, like I aways pay my tithing, but I don't like to do it, I aways do my home teaching, but I think it is a wast of my time. These would be the desires of my heart or true self. If I really felt that way, and My actions would not count.

James 4:17 KJV

King James Version

Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

Edited May 28, 2014 by Doctrine 612

[3DOP]

What I'm getting at is that I always hear we'll be judged for the desire of our hearts, but what about the addicts that overcome their addictions but choosing not to act on their addictions, yet they desire in their heart to commit the sins. What I'm getting at is let's say a recovering alcoholic truly desires to drink in his heart, but he makes the conscience decision not to drink because it's a sin, will he be punished still for the desire of his heart wanting to drink? That would seem unfair.

 

Yes. It would be unfair. No he will not be punished. 

 

Everyone has conflicting desires. We will be judged according to the desire that we choose. I would be surprised if this is a teaching unique to my own religious community.

[Rain]

Thanks. I too have heard the 'desire of your hearts' idea but is there a scriptural reference for it?? Can't look it up right now.

Mosiah 4:24. Not the same wording, but it fits.

[Paddy]

Interestingly this actually talks about doing works out of the desire of your heart but it still does not talk about being judged on our desires.

[Avatar4321]

I hope so. My desires are sometimes the only thing going for me. My actions who knows...

[BCSpace]

What I'm getting at is that I always hear we'll be judged for the desire of our hearts, but what about the addicts that overcome their addictions but choosing not to act on their addictions, yet they desire in their heart to commit the sins. What I'm getting at is let's say a recovering alcoholic truly desires to drink in his heart, but he makes the conscience decision not to drink because it's a sin, will he be punished still for the desire of his heart wanting to drink? That would seem unfair.

 

 

I would say that his desire to be alcohol free is stronger than his desire to drink.  The latter 'desire' is just the natural man, a weakness of the flesh, while the former is his own will overcoming that and former is also what is meant in the context of being judged according to our desires.

[danielwoods]

Mark 7:²⁰ He went on: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. ²¹ For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, ²² adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. ²³ All these evils come from inside and defile a person.”

 

Matt. 23:²⁵ “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. ²⁶ Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean."

 

Colossians 3 "Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. ² Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. ³ For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. ⁴ When Christ, who is your^[a] life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory."

[thesometimesaint]

Just for starters.

 

Proverbs: 16:1-3

Psalms: 37:4

Romans: 8:28

Matthew 6:21

[Paddy]

Yeah. But still no connection with judgement. I guess you could argue that the desire of your heart leads to the works that you do which you are ultimately judged on. However as others have indicated our desires and our works don't always connect.

So videogamejunkie starts the discussion on a wrong premise. So he doesn't need to worry about it!!??

[thesometimesaint]

Yeah. But still no connection with judgement. I guess you could argue that the desire of your heart leads to the works that you do which you are ultimately judged on. However as others have indicated our desires and our works don't always connect.

So videogamejunkie starts the discussion on a wrong premise. So he doesn't need to worry about it!!??

 

Actually we will be judged by both. It just depends on the direction we are going.

[danielwoods]

Yeah. But still no connection with judgement. I guess you could argue that the desire of your heart leads to the works that you do which you are ultimately judged on. However as others have indicated our desires and our works don't always connect.

So videogamejunkie starts the discussion on a wrong premise. So he doesn't need to worry about it!!??

 

Matt.: 5:²¹ “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder,^[a] and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ ²² But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister^[b][c] will be subject to judgment."

 

5:²⁷ “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’^[e] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. ²⁹ If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.³⁰ And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell."

[Paddy]

Thanks Daniel. These look good.

[VideoGameJunkie]

Great, now thanks to Daniel I have to gouge my eyes out.

[DarkScythe]

Great, now thanks to Daniel I have to gouge my eyes out.

 

 

as much as I would love to see blood, I do think most male members including me would have to do join you. Guys by nature are very visual creatures. When we see a beautiful woman, we all smile if you know what I mean. If we have self control in that regard, We have no problem. When we have lack of self control, then we get to having many problems.