Mustard Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 "It appears that the voting has been unanimous in favor of the General Authorities and general officers of the Church."Is this just a formality? Obviously they don't know if anything is unanimously voted on in a mass assembly across the world. Why do they even do it?
JLHPROF Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 "It appears that the voting has been unanimous in favor of the General Authorities and general officers of the Church."Is this just a formality? Obviously they don't know if anything is unanimously voted on in a mass assembly across the world. Why do they even do it? Generally, people present don't object anymore, even locally. They will go the the authority privately afterwards with any objection.And to be quite frank, also sometimes the vote is still reported as unanimous when historical records show it wasn't (the Manifesto for instance).
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 "It appears that the voting has been unanimous in favor of the General Authorities and general officers of the Church."Is this just a formality? Obviously they don't know if anything is unanimously voted on in a mass assembly across the world. Why do they even do it?No, in the Conference Center it would be hard to ever notice. In a Ward or Stake, much easier and noticed and asked in private problems.
The Nehor Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 I have seen objections several times. The Priesthood leader takes the person aside (usually later) and asks what the basis is for the objection.
SeekingUnderstanding Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 (edited) See here: https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1980/10/the-sustaining-of-church-officers?lang=eng and here: https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1978/04/the-sustaining-of-church-officers?lang=eng for a couple examples where there were dissenting votes. Edited April 30, 2014 by SeekingUnderstanding 2
mfbukowski Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 "It appears that the voting has been unanimous in favor of the General Authorities and general officers of the Church."Is this just a formality? Obviously they don't know if anything is unanimously voted on in a mass assembly across the world. Why do they even do it?Get out the dictionary and read the definition of "appears". It does not mean that "it is certain." Gosh that was a hard question. 2
MiserereNobis Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 See here: https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1980/10/the-sustaining-of-church-officers?lang=eng and here: https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1978/04/the-sustaining-of-church-officers?lang=eng for a couple examples where there were dissenting votes. Fascinating. Thank you for sharing. My assumption is, based on the time period, that the dissension had to do with the revelation on blacks and priesthood. Does anyone know if this is the case? Also, are there any more recent examples of dissension during General Conference? You know, if we had this setup in the Catholic Church, if anyone didn't sustain the Pope as the Vicar of Christ we'd get our secret ninja Jesuit special forces hit squad (think Dan Brown's "Da Vinci Code" and the flagellating albino) after them... where are the LDS Danites when you need them? 2
Senator Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 "It appears that the voting has been unanimous in favor of the General Authorities and general officers of the Church."Is this just a formality? Obviously they don't know if anything is unanimously voted on in a mass assembly across the world. Why do they even do it? Tradition!........tradition! Oh, sing it Tevye!
thesometimesaint Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 (edited) "It appears that the voting has been unanimous in favor of the General Authorities and general officers of the Church."Is this just a formality? Obviously they don't know if anything is unanimously voted on in a mass assembly across the world. Why do they even do it? It is called Common Consent and is in our D&C. If even one person has good cause to not sustain that proposal they are required to submit that good cause to the Church leadership where it will be investigated and if found true that proposal is declined. Edited April 30, 2014 by thesometimesaint
CV75 Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 "It appears that the voting has been unanimous in favor of the General Authorities and general officers of the Church."Is this just a formality? Obviously they don't know if anything is unanimously voted on in a mass assembly across the world. Why do they even do it?The operative word is "appears" and until it stops appearing to be unanimous, the pronouncement proceeds as if it is.
mfbukowski Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 Fascinating. Thank you for sharing. My assumption is, based on the time period, that the dissension had to do with the revelation on blacks and priesthood. Does anyone know if this is the case? Also, are there any more recent examples of dissension during General Conference? You know, if we had this setup in the Catholic Church, if anyone didn't sustain the Pope as the Vicar of Christ we'd get our secret ninja Jesuit special forces hit squad (think Dan Brown's "Da Vinci Code" and the flagellating albino) after them... where are the LDS Danites when you need them? No actually if you watch the tape it is clear that the dissenting voices were women. I remember it well. It was about the Equal Rights Amendment
Bikeemikey Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 No actually if you watch the tape it is clear that the dissenting voices were women. I remember it well. It was about the Equal Rights AmendmentRascals those ERA folks.
mfbukowski Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 One of the functions actually is to confirm that no one knows something about the person others don't know, like if they frequent the friendly local neighborhood brothel, etc.
The Nehor Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 One of the functions actually is to confirm that no one knows something about the person others don't know, like if they frequent the friendly local neighborhood brothel, etc.Is it okay if you just go for the ambience and the food?
Buzzard Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 (edited) One of the functions actually is to confirm that no one knows something about the person others don't know, like if they frequent the friendly local neighborhood brothel, etc.I'm familiar with one circumstance from my deep past where a bishop was sustained but with a dissent registered not in the meeting but quietly to the SP after the meeting. The person casting the negative vote said that the new bishop had been his home teacher for several years but that he had never seen him once. He was the EQ secretary and as such, has access to the HT records and noted that this person had reported 100% Home Teaching for the past few years. Upon investigation, his calling as bishop was rescinded, not so much for imperfect home teaching but for claiming such. And the scuttlebutt (which was at least as reliable then as the internet is today) was that the SP asked him directly about his home teaching when interviewing him, and he replied that he rarely if ever missed a month. Not a good idea to fib to your SP in a calling interview for bishop. Edited April 30, 2014 by Buzzard
Bikeemikey Posted April 30, 2014 Posted April 30, 2014 I'm familiar with one circumstance from my deep past where a bishop was sustained but with a dissent registered not in the meeting but quietly to the SP after the meeting. The person casting the negative vote said that the new bishop had been his home teacher for several years but that he had never seen him once. He was the EQ secretary and as such, has access to the HT records and noted that this person had reported 100% Home Teaching for the past few years. Upon investigation, his calling as bishop was rescinded, not so much for imperfect home teaching but for claiming such. And the scuttlebutt (which was at least as reliable then as the internet is today) was that the SP asked him directly about his home teaching when interviewing him, and he replied that he rarely if ever missed a month. Not a good idea to fib to your SP in a calling interview for bishop.Sure - but it still happens.
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