Senator Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 I suppose the same kind of sarcastic comment could be made against most every prophet of the Lord. So Elder Bednar joins the ranks of those righteous Prophets of the past who endured the same bad mouthing.There you go again. Case in point. I would like to think that E. Bednar would get a chuckle out of such a comment.
Senator Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 I don't think Elder Bednar did tell him he shouldn't have faltered in the first place, what he said, at the end of the demonstration was when you are thinking about whether or not to read your scriptures in the future, think about this lesson and where it could lead. I think he even asks the boy if it will help him get started again and the boy nods. At one point he made the comment [paraphrasing] that we should never do or not do those things that point us away from the Lord. Which is true. However that's not real life. We will all do or not do things that point us away from God. The question is, what then?
teddyaware Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 There you go again. Case in point. I would like to think that E. Bednar would get a chuckle out of such a comment. Do you think that he "would get a chuckle" out of the disrespect shown on this thread to his most sincerely presented demonstration?
teddyaware Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 At one point he made the comment [paraphrasing] that we should never do or not do those things that point us away from the Lord. Which is true. However that's not real life. We will all do or not do things that point us away from God. The question is, what then? I hope you're not LDS because the answer to this is too obvious -- Repent.
Senator Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Do you think that he "would get a chuckle" out of the disrespect shown on this thread to his most sincerely presented demonstration? Where (and if) that has happened, perhaps not.
teddyaware Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Good to know we are on the righteousness track!! Enjoy!
teddyaware Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Where (and if) that has happened, perhaps not. Read some the whole thread.
Senator Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 I hope you're not LDS because the answer to this is too obvious -- Repent. Now you're beginning to see! And yes, I am LDS
teddyaware Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 I wonder if down the road as an old man Bryson will feel to say that that day with E. Bednar literally scared the hell out of me and was the cause of all my valiant living?The same thing could be said of all the prophets. They were always getting hit with this accusation...1 And now it came to pass that after I, Nephi, had made an end of speaking to my brethren, behold they said unto me: Thou hast declared unto us hard things, more than we are able to bear.
Senator Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 The same thing could be said of all the prophets. They were always getting hit with this accusation...1 And now it came to pass that after I, Nephi, had made an end of speaking to my brethren, behold they said unto me: Thou hast declared unto us hard things, more than we are able to bear. Teddyaware, It was a joke, man!!!! Loosen that top button......
teddyaware Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) Now you're beginning to see! And yes, I am LDS You find fault with Elder Bednar's presentation for boldly speaking the truth about living the 'gospel of repentance,' and I'm the one who's beginning to see. By the way, the message of that demonstration wasn't just meant for the boy, it was meant for all who would see it, you and I included. Edited January 24, 2014 by teddyaware
teddyaware Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Teddyaware, It was a joke, man!!!! Loosen that top button...... I was once an aspiring comedy writer (I'm still very comedic) but at the moment my intense side has come to the fore. All the best, "brother Senator..."
sheilauk Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 At one point he made the comment [paraphrasing] that we should never do or not do those things that point us away from the Lord. Which is true. However that's not real life. We will all do or not do things that point us away from God. The question is, what then? Think about the lesson and start to do the things that will point us toward God 1
Senator Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 You find fault with Elder Bednar's presentation for boldly speaking the truth about living the 'gospel of repentance,' If he did, then I would have expected him to have actually talked a great deal about repentance. As it is, don't think he even said the word. (but I may be wrong). The message I got was a gospel of perfect obedience, the failure of which leads to the chains of satan. Again, which is true. However not a very uplifting message. Anyway, I've labored this as far as I care to. So all the best to you too.
mfbukowski Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 I don't like being grasped from behind by anyone, especially uninvited.Yeah. Here the kids was just walking down the street and a big old mean man ran up behind him and grabbed him from behind. And he wasn't even invited! Arrest that perp NOW!
mfbukowski Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Probably covering up a massive blood stain, for which Elder Bednar is responsible. (I knew the man was a homicidal maniac! ) 1
mfbukowski Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 I'm creeped out by the carpet, as being the safe place. Anyone here who has gotten down on their hands and knees with a microscope to inspect all the creepy crawlies that infest a regular carpet? http://www.pestcontroldelivered.com/pages/carpet-beetles-pictures-and-identification http://www.parasiticpests.com/carpet-fleas.htmThat Bednar guy wanted to give him some kind of disease for sure. 1
teddyaware Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) If he did, then I would have expected him to have actually talked a great deal about repentance. As it is, don't think he even said the word. (but I may be wrong). The message I got was a gospel of perfect obedience, the failure of which leads to the chains of satan. Again, which is true. However not a very uplifting message. Anyway, I've labored this as far as I care to. So all the best to you too.In order for repentance to be genuine, one must bring forth fruits meet for repentance -- like praying if one hasn't been praying. As far as Elder Bednar's intent is concerned, his whole body of work clearly demonstrates he's not a "gospel of perfect obedience" fanatic, He clearly demonstrated to the boy that the secret is to take one step at a time. The reason why it's tempting to caricature Elder Bednar's demonstration is because his partner in the presentation was a 10 year old boy, so he had to keep it basic and to the point. All the best to you as well, unless you just can't help yourself trying to get in the last word. Edited January 24, 2014 by teddyaware
Calm Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 I don't like being grasped from behind by anyone, especially uninvited.I don't either except for one person and I have to know it is coming....never ever being restricted so I can't move, that will set off a panic attack...the question is if it was scripted, did the boy know it was going to happen? I would be shocked if he didn't as they wouldn't want to ruin a shot because he reacted in the wrong way.
Calm Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 If he did, then I would have expected him to have actually talked a great deal about repentance. As it is, don't think he even said the word. (but I may be wrong). The message I got was a gospel of perfect obedience, the failure of which leads to the chains of satan. Again, which is true. However not a very uplifting message. Anyway, I've labored this as far as I care to. So all the best to you too.I think the presentation needs to be taken in the greater context it was meant to be in. Have you read the book and watched the other videos? I don't think anyone should assume something was not said until they do that.
Senator Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 I think the presentation needs to be taken in the greater context it was meant to be in. Have you read the book and watched the other videos? I don't think anyone should assume something was not said until they do that.No I haven't and you are probably right.
cinepro Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) I've watched the video, and honestly I'm still trying to figure out what seems so "off" about it. It just really makes me uncomfortable. (Pause so you can all say "It's your guilty conscience..." blah blah blah). I don't think I've figured it out exactly, but here's a few more thoughts. - The "answer" is way out of whack to the question. There may have been other questions and discussion preceding this clip that add greater context, but since the clip only shows that particular moment, it's very jarring. The answer given seems to be more appropriate to a situation where the questioner is antagonistic, or arguing against the value of regular scripture study (like a jaded teenager who needs a wake-up call). But the question implicitly acknowledged the value of scriptures study and was more practical in nature. - While the boy might be deacon-age or a young teenager, he is very small and timid, and appears very childlike. So my natural instance is to see him as a younger child. I'm not saying we need to start looking for a millstone, but the boy's reaction seems to indicate to me that the answer was ill conceived. - And that raises the question: "Why is he crying?" In what way would "crying" be the desired response to that situation? He was nervous? If so, that's an extreme degree of nervousness, and it's not a good thing (let alone something I would post online). "Crying" is generally not a desirable state to put someone into, and there's no indication that this was one of the times that it was. It certainly doesn't appear to be a "spiritual" experience for him (and even defenders of the clip aren't chiming in with how strongly they fell the Sprit when they watch the exchange). He asked a question about ways to study the scriptures, and suddenly he has an apostle publicly using him as an example in a lesson about going over to "Satan's side". As a contrast, here is a normal answer to a normal question. The questioner asks a simple, understandable question, and Elder Bednar spends a few minutes clearly and eloquently answering the question. If you can't see the difference between the two clips, then I guess we just see it differently. Edited January 24, 2014 by cinepro
teddyaware Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) I've watched the video, and honestly I'm still trying to figure out what seems so "off" about it. It just really makes me uncomfortable. (Pause so you can all say "It's your guilty conscience..." blah blah blah). I don't think I've figured it out exactly, but here's a few more thoughts. - The "answer" is way out of whack to the question. There may have been other questions and discussion preceding this clip that add greater context, but since the clip only shows that particular moment, it's very jarring. The answer given seems to be more appropriate to a situation where the questioner is antagonistic, or arguing against the value of regular scripture study (like a jaded teenager who needs a wake-up call). But the question implicitly acknowledged the value of scriptures study and was more practical in nature. - While the boy might be deacon-age or a young teenager, he is very small and timid, and appears very childlike. So my natural instance is to see him as a younger child. I'm not saying we need to start looking for a millstone, but the boy's reaction seems to indicate to me that the answer was ill conceived. - And that raises the question: "Why is he crying?" In what way would "crying" be the desired response to that situation? He was nervous? If so, that's an extreme degree of nervousness, and it's not a good thing (let alone something I would post online). "Crying" is generally not a desirable state to put someone into, and there's no indication that this was one of the times that it was. He asked a question about ways to study the scriptures, and suddenly he has an apostle publicly using him as an example in a lesson about going over to "Satan's side". As a contrast, here is a normal answer to a normal question. The questioner asks a simple, understandable question, and Elder Bednar spends a few minutes clearly and eloquently answering the question.I watched this video very carefully three times, studying the boy's every expression intently, and I can tell you he was emotional and tearing up right from the very beginning, even as he first rose and stepped forward. So any attempts to understand what motivated the boy's tearfulness must take this into account.The only thing that was "off" about this, as you say, is that it wasn't a perfect media production, like the tv and movie productions of which we are now so accustom. There were no professional actors to play out the script, where only after many stops, fits, starts and "takes," ordered by the director, is a finished product ready for distribution and viewing. This demonstration was done in one take by people who are not professional actors, most specially young Bryson. It was allowed to stand in imperfection "as is" with just one take. That's what's "off" about it.One wonders if we were able to travel back in time, to many of the dramatic scenes described in the scriptures, would we be disillusioned and dismayed if the scenes didn't play out in the picture perfect way we envisioned and hoped; and this because all these sacred 'scenes' were played out by ordinary people, who 'played' out their parts without the help of acting lessons, and powerfully dramatic orchestra music. Welcome to the real world. Edited January 25, 2014 by teddyaware 2
cinepro Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 I watched this video very carefully three times, studying the boy's every expression intently, and I can tell you he was emotional and tearing up right from the very beginning, even as he first rose and stepped forward. So any attempts to understand what motivated the boy's tearfulness must take this into account.The only thing that was "off" about this, as you say, is that it wasn't a perfect media production, like the tv and movie productions of which we are now so accustom. There were no professional actors to play out the script, where only after many stops, fits, starts and "takes," ordered by the director, is a finished product ready for distribution and viewing. This demonstration was done in one take by people who are not professional actors, most specially young Bryson. It was allowed to stand in imperfection "as is" with just one take. That's what's "off" about it.One wonders if we were able to travel back in time, to many of the dramatic scenes described in the scriptures, would we be disillusioned and dismayed if the scenes didn't play out in the picture perfect way we envisioned and hoped; and this because all these sacred 'scenes' were played out by ordinary people, who 'played' out their parts without the help of acting lessons, and powerfully dramatic orchestra music. Welcome to the real world. No, I watched several of the other "town hall" clips produced by Deseret Book with Elder Bednar, Elder Holland and others, and the one we're discussing is unlike anything found in those.
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