Kenngo1969 Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 What's with the rug being there in the first place? Hmmm...Probably covering up a massive blood stain, for which Elder Bednar is responsible. (I knew the man was a homicidal maniac! ) 2
Tacenda Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) I do like being grasped from behind in surprise, as long as it's somebody who loves and cares for me. To each their own. Do you think Elder Bednar did something wrong in his demonstration?That kid is different than you were when you were his age. These kids are brought up in the "stranger danger" age, and to believe in the area around the body that shouldn't be touched. Having someone bear hug me from behind would even give me the heebie-jeebies. Elder Bednar is almost like a stranger. He's not an older brother or his dad, or even an uncle or close family, which still for them is sort of crossing the line, big difference! That's our world we live in, sorry to break it to you. Edited January 24, 2014 by Tacenda
teddyaware Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) That kid is different than you were when you were his age. These kids are brought up in the "stranger danger" age, and to believe in the area around the body that shouldn't be touched. Having someone bear hug me from behind would even give me the heebie-jeebies. Elder Bednar is almost like a stranger. He's not an older brother or his dad, or even an uncle or close family, which still for them is sort of crossing the line, big difference! That's our world we live in, sorry to break it to you. Even with his parents present, within feet, and all the other people present there with him, and given that Elder Bednar is an Apostle of the Lord, this is supposed to give Bryson the heebie-jeebies? This is the kind of stuff that goes on all the time in Boy Scouts. It was an act of fatherly affection calculated to teach Bryson an important lesson. If this act of fatherly concern is enough to cause some members of the Church to undermine the Apostles, I don't even want to imagine what it's going to be like when the going gets really tough during the great tribulation... Edited January 24, 2014 by teddyaware
teddyaware Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) That kid is different than you were when you were his age. These kids are brought up in the "stranger danger" age, and to believe in the area around the body that shouldn't be touched. Having someone bear hug me from behind would even give me the heebie-jeebies. Elder Bednar is almost like a stranger. He's not an older brother or his dad, or even an uncle or close family, which still for them is sort of crossing the line, big difference! That's our world we live in, sorry to break it to you. By the way, I just watched the video again with great focus. Bryson was emotional and tearing up right from the very start of the demonstration. His emotional state cannot be blamed on the Elder Bednar holding Bryson. He was in obvious awe of the fact that he was being personally instructed by an Apostle of the Lord. Also, the audience didn't think there was anything wrong with Elder Bednar's holding of Bryson because the whole of that audience broke into spontaneous, lighthearted laughter. I guess you had to be there to "get it." Edited January 24, 2014 by teddyaware
Tacenda Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Even with his parents present, within feet, and all the other people present there with him, and given that Elder Bednar is an Apostle of the Lord, this is supposed to give Bryson the heebie-jeebies? This is the kind of stuff that goes on all the time in Boy Scouts. It was an act of fatherly affection calculated to teach Bryson an important lesson. If this act of fatherly concern is enough to cause some members of the Church to undermine the Apostles, I don't even want to imagine what it's going to be like when the going gets really tough during the great tribulation...I don't think I'm undermining. Elder Bednar is human isn't he? I'm tired of people putting these men on a pedestal. Not that you were. But it seems some do. I think Elder Bednar is showing he is human, and is like that Uncle, I had one, he would give me a killer handshake, he was a farmer. But that was just his way. I know I seem to nit-pic LDS a lot. And will take the blame for that. Really the thing that bothers me most is that this kid might grow up to believe one wrong move and the devil's gonna git him, I have read stories of people that really have a problem with that very thing. I say teach more of the Saviour's atonement, love his neighbor, forgive.....which I know he gets elsewhere in the church.
teddyaware Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) I don't think I'm undermining. Elder Bednar is human isn't he? I'm tired of people putting these men on a pedestal. Not that you were. But it seems some do. I think Elder Bednar is showing he is human, and is like that Uncle, I had one, he would give me a killer handshake, he was a farmer. But that was just his way. I know I seem to nit-pic LDS a lot. And will take the blame for that. Really the thing that bothers me most is that this kid might grow up to believe one wrong move and the devil's gonna git him, I have read stories of people that really have a problem with that very thing. I say teach more of the Saviour's atonement, love his neighbor, forgive.....which I know he gets elsewhere in the church.I appreciate your kind tone. But there's only one problem: Bryson had better not ever read those scriptures, because if he does he's going to get what Elder Bednar did in even stronger measure. The scriptures pull no punches when it comes to the devil and the mortal peril he presents to those who are unprepared and unrealistic in their confrontations with him. Here's a sample:22 And behold, others he flattereth away, and telleth them there is no hell; and he saith unto them: I am no devil, for there is none—and thus he whispereth in their ears, until he grasps them with his awful chains, from whence there is no deliverance. (2 Nephi 28) Edited January 24, 2014 by teddyaware 1
nebula Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 I think it says more about each of us than it does about the interaction between Elder Bednar and this young man. The mere fact that a man would embrace a boy makes specific individuals uncomfortable?!? For what reason? Does a man's embrace always entail a negative connotation? Is a man never supposed to embrace anyone except a grown woman and then only if he asks if it is permissible first? This type of discomfort seems very perverted and twisted.It makes some people uncomfortable because there have been numerous accounts of men in positions of religious authority using that power to molest children. That's certainly not happening in this video, but surely you can understand how the public might be sensitive about this subject.
bcuzbcuz Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 I'm creeped out by the carpet, as being the safe place. Anyone here who has gotten down on their hands and knees with a microscope to inspect all the creepy crawlies that infest a regular carpet? http://www.pestcontroldelivered.com/pages/carpet-beetles-pictures-and-identification http://www.parasiticpests.com/carpet-fleas.htm 2
Senator Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 I appreciate your kind tone. But there's only one problem: Bryson had better not ever read those scriptures, because if he does he's going to get what Elder Bednar did in even stronger measure. The scriptures pull no punches when it comes to the devil and the mortal peril he presents to those who are unprepared and unrealistic in their confrontations with him. Here's a sample:22 And behold, others he flattereth away, and telleth them there is no hell; and he saith unto them: I am no devil, for there is none—and thus he whispereth in their ears, until he grasps them with his awful chains, from whence there is no deliverance. (2 Nephi 28) Yes, and we also know that the Lord uses a little (maybe a lot) of hyperbole in scripture to.....well.....scare us, if you will.
Senator Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 I have to agree with Cinepro, in that when I watched the video there was something about it that just didn't sit right in my gut. I haven't quite been able to put my finger on it yet. It has a little to do with the discomfort of the boy (and I don't think he was just feeling the spirit). There's something else in the message.
teddyaware Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) I don't think I'm undermining. Elder Bednar is human isn't he? I'm tired of people putting these men on a pedestal. Not that you were. But it seems some do. I think Elder Bednar is showing he is human, and is like that Uncle, I had one, he would give me a killer handshake, he was a farmer. But that was just his way. I know I seem to nit-pic LDS a lot. And will take the blame for that. Really the thing that bothers me most is that this kid might grow up to believe one wrong move and the devil's gonna git him, I have read stories of people that really have a problem with that very thing. I say teach more of the Saviour's atonement, love his neighbor, forgive.....which I know he gets elsewhere in the church. And this is the problem the Lord's people have since time immemorial when it comes to dealing with living Prophets and Apostles. In any given generation of sacred history, some of the Lord's people always find it hard to believe that a mere mortal could actually be a true prophet of God. They look upon their human frailties and say, "the prophets of the past were most assuredly great and true men of God, but this guy?" Come on... I think it's time to stop putting so much focus of the human imperfections of our duly ordained Prophets and Apostles, and with genuine gratitude thank the Lord there are still men on this desperately wicked earth whom he can call to these positions of all-important authority, to give us inspired counsel, heavenly wisdom, and modern revelation to guide us back to God in these latter-days. If we start focusing on the positive, while deemphasizing whatever imperfections these men might have, we'll be following in the steps of the faithful saints of the past and not in the tracks of Laman and Lemuel. Edited January 24, 2014 by teddyaware
teddyaware Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Yes, and we also know that the Lord uses a little (maybe a lot) of hyperbole in scripture to.....well.....scare us, if you will. Ask the one third host and the sons of perdition if it was just exaggeration.
Senator Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Ask the one third host and the sons of perdition if it was just exaggeration. I can't. Can you?
teddyaware Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) I can't. Can you? So let me rephrase: The one third host and the sons of perdition clearly demonstrate the scriptures are not exaggerating when warning of the devil, and what he can do to those who do not take those warnings seriously. Edited January 24, 2014 by teddyaware
Senator Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) So let me rephrase: The one third host and the sons of perdition clearly demonstrate the scriptures are not exaggerating when warning of the devil, and what he can do to those who do not take those warnings seriously. Maybe that's it. Maybe it was the overkill in the message. "I've slacked in my scripture reading. What can I do?", the young boy asks. "Beware of the devil lest ye be eternally bound in hell!", is the answer he's given. Now, Elder Bednar didn't stretch it to this extreme, but that is the overkill you seem wont to engage in here. "What can I do to get back on track?" That's a repentance begging question, not a fear-based obedience one. It doesn't help the repentant seeker by telling him he shouldn't have faltered in the first place. That's obvious. Edited January 24, 2014 by Senator
teddyaware Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) Maybe that's it. Maybe it was the overkill in the message. "I've slacked in my scripture reading. What can I do?", the young boy asks. "Beware of the devil lest ye be eternally bound in hell!", is the answer he's given. Now, Elder Bednar didn't stretch it to this extreme, but that is the overkill you seem wont to engage in here. "What can I do to get back on track?" That's a repentance begging question, not a fear-based obedience one. It doesn't help the repentant seeker by telling him he shouldn't have faltered in the first place. That's obvious. Overkill? How about "beware of the devil unless his wiles cause you to lose the opportunity for the fullness of joy promised only to the fully faithful, a fullness of joy that can only be justly bestowed upon the truly valiant." Or how about "if you don't effectively combat the wiles of the devil you could end up in the telestial kingdom, but only after spending 2,000 years suffering in hell." This is reality and those who minimize these very real possibilities could be beginning to listen to the devil when he says, "I am no devil." If you'll recall, there was a continuum of faithfulness presented in Elder Bednar's demonstration: One could either be well into the Lord's territory, not as well into the Lord's territory, on the border of the Lord's territory, just off of the border of the Lord's territory, and then deeper and deeper into the adversaries territory until one is bound by his terrible chains of enslavement. The fact is that Elder Bednar was presenting a continuum of faithfulness to the Lord, just as it is in real life. I might also add that if Elder Bednar gave Bryson an easier answer to his question we wouldn't be discussing this right now. And thankfully, my participation on this thread has planted that solemn demonstration deep within my soul, and I feel more resolute than ever to keep my covenants to stay deep on the Lord's side. Edited January 24, 2014 by teddyaware
Senator Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Overkill? Yes, overkill. What I feel would have been more applicable to the question, would be an expose on repentance fostered by the tender mercies of the Lord; which ironically, he is such a champion of. And yes, it is always good to be learning and using our minds, so I'm glad to have encountered this video though what I took from it is obviously different than you.
teddyaware Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) Yes, overkill. What I feel would have been more applicable to the question, would be an expose on repentance fostered by the tender mercies of the Lord; which ironically, he is such a champion of. And yes, it is always good to be learning and using our minds, so I'm glad to have encountered this video though what I took from it is obviously different than you. Then the scriptures are overkill. And there are plenteous and very strong scriptural evidences that the charge of exaggeration and overkill by the prophets is one of the prime reasons why they're not believed and ultimately rejected. If you'd like, I'll provideyou with some of the many scriptural examples of this charge made against the prophets.And lest you've forgotten, Elder Bednar is one of those men we raise the right hand several times a year to sustain as prophets, seers and revelators. Edited January 24, 2014 by teddyaware
Senator Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Then the scriptures are overkill. And there are plenteous and very strong scriptural evidences that the charge of exaggeration and overkill by the prophets is one of the prime reasons why they're not believed and ultimately rejected. If you'd like, I'll provideyou with some of the many scriptural examples of this charge made against the prophets.And lest you've forgotten, Elder Bednar is one of those men we raise the right hand several times a year to sustain as prophets, seers and revelators. You sure have a propensity to spin people's comments into grand, dramatic, prophetic type offenses against God and his prophets. It's rather annoying. I never said E. Bednar's comments were wrong or untrue, but questioning their appropriateness to the question asked.
Senator Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) I wonder if down the road as an old man Bryson will feel to say that that day with E. Bednar literally scared the hell out of me and was the cause of all my valiant living? Edited January 24, 2014 by Senator
teddyaware Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 I agree with Senator. It was overkill. Join the happy throng.
teddyaware Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 I wonder if down the road as an old man Bryson will feel to say that that day with E. Bednar literally scared the hell out of me and was the cause of all my valiant living? I suppose the same kind of sarcastic comment could be made against most every prophet of the Lord. So Elder Bednar joins the ranks of those righteous Prophets of the past who endured the same bad mouthing.
sheilauk Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) Maybe that's it. Maybe it was the overkill in the message. "I've slacked in my scripture reading. What can I do?", the young boy asks. "Beware of the devil lest ye be eternally bound in hell!", is the answer he's given. Now, Elder Bednar didn't stretch it to this extreme, but that is the overkill you seem wont to engage in here. "What can I do to get back on track?" That's a repentance begging question, not a fear-based obedience one. It doesn't help the repentant seeker by telling him he shouldn't have faltered in the first place. That's obvious.I don't think Elder Bednar did tell him he shouldn't have faltered in the first place, what he said, at the end of the demonstration was when you are thinking about whether or not to read your scriptures in the future, think about this lesson and where it could lead. I think he even asks the boy if it will help him get started again and the boy nods. Edited January 24, 2014 by sheilauk 1
Senator Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 Join the happy throng. Good to know we are on the righteousness track!!
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