Law Of Chastity And Same-Sex Behavior

[Svawd]

Rob you might want to start praying for the Holy Ghost to help you post with love.

[why me]

Sorry, I don't buy it. I know many gay men and women (some family members and some are friends). They are some of the best, most generous, honorable people I've known in my life. They are genuine and not fake or judgmental. Too bad you can't show them the same benefit of a doubt and seem to want to paint them with a very broad brush.

I think that the problem is very simple. There are gay men who are very promiscuous. This is not a stereotype but a fact. And this is one reason for the spread of HIV in the gay community, especially in the early 80's. I know because I was in the Greenwich Village area when AIDS broke out. The virus spread very quickly because of the nature of the sex act and because of gay men having many partners. However, I do believe that HIV has made many gay men rethink their sexuality and many are monogamous. But one should not lessen the promiscuous behavior in the gay community and the risk of HIV because of it.  There is plenty of information about how to have safe sex and avoid risk. And also how to educate gay youth when it comes to safe sex too. All the best advice is to have young gay men realize that promiscuous behavior can be deadly, especially when practicing it without a condom. HIV is increasing again in the gay community.

 

I also think that there are many gay people who are having a monogamous relationship and are attempting to have a conventional family life too. But it would not be uncommon to come across active gay men who still do have multiple partners. It is a life choice.

 

http://blog.aids.gov/2013/09/hiv-impact-on-gay-and-bisexual-men-the-4th-decade.html

 

At the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), we play a role in these efforts to help maximize the effectiveness of current HIV prevention methods through a High-Impact Prevention approach. This public health approach ensures resources are directed to activities that will have the greatest impact on reducing HIV among gay and bisexual men and other populations, as well as reaching people living with HIV and their partners.

To make a meaningful impact on this epidemic, the gay community must re-engage in the fight on behalf of a new generation. In the early days of HIV, the community led efforts to drive down new infections resulted in dramatic declines in risk behavior and an increase in condom use, but that momentum has not been sustained over time.

 

 

Gay and bisexual men should be empowered with information to understand their risk and how to protect themselves. This includes helping young MSM to seek testing and other services without fear of discrimination. We should not stop at awareness, but take action to reach all MSM, especially young MSM, with HIV education, testing and proven prevention strategies. We cannot afford to lose a new generation to this preventable infection. Each of us has the power to make a difference – every person and every action counts.

Edited January 14, 2014 by why me

[MichelleD]

I think that the problem is very simple. There are gay men who are very promiscuous. This is not a stereotype but a fact. And this is one reason for the spread of HIV in the gay community, especially in the early 80's. I know because I was in the Greenwich Village area when AIDS broke out. The virus spread very quickly because of the nature of the sex act and because of gay men having many partners. However, I do believe that HIV has made many gay men rethink their sexually and quite a few are monogamous. But one should not lessen the promiscuous behavior in the gay community and the risk of HIV because of it.  There is plenty of information about how to have safe sex and avoid risk. And also how to educate gay youth when it comes to safe sex too. All the best advice is to have young gay men realize that promiscuous behavior can be deadly, especially when practicing it without a condom.

 

I also think that there are many gay people who are having a monogamous relationship and are attempting to have a conventional family life too. But it would not be uncommon to come across active gay men who still do have multiple partners. It is a life choice.

All that you wrote can also be said about heterosexual men or women. Due to AIDS and other STDs the free love and promiscuity that existed for many has changed. Are some still promiscuous? Do some still have multiple sexual partners? The answer is "yes" for straight or gay men or women.

[The Nehor]

Perhaps you are simply not aware of nonpromiscuous homosexuals just as you wouldn't be aware of the sex life of non promiscuous heterosexuals as neither group makes their sexuality standard conversation fare. You might want to calculate the number of likely gays in your social environment based on the estimate of about 2% of the population being homosexual. (I believe that is a conservative estimate and therefore would be the lower limit for an estimate) and then compare that number to how many you are currently aware of to see the difference. You might find reasons to doubt your conclusions.

 

This is fair. Same reason I don't trust studies about the "average person's sex life". Instead you get the average sex life of people quite happy to talk about their sex life.

[why me]

And from the same link that I posted previously:

 

Men who have sex with men (MSM) represent 2% of the U.S. population but more than 60% of new infections  and half of all Americans living with HIV. Rates of new HIV diagnoses among MSM in the United States are more than 44 times that of other men. Especially at risk are young MSM (ages 13-24 years), the only risk group where new infections are increasing, with a 22% increase in recent years. Young Black MSM are most affected accounting for 55% of new infections among YMSM overall.

 

http://blog.aids.gov/2013/09/hiv-impact-on-gay-and-bisexual-men-the-4th-decade.html

[why me]

All that you wrote can also be said about heterosexual men or women. Due to AIDS and other STDs the free love and promiscuity that existed for many has changed. Are some still promiscuous? Do some still have multiple sexual partners? The answer is "yes" for straight or gay men or women.

I think that you will need to check the link. What you wrote is not true at all. The problem is that many gay men are behaving in ways that do give them risk of catching HIV. We can not lessen the importance of good advice to such young males. The HIV infection among young gay males is quite high as the link shows. Lessening the problem does not help the matter.

 

I believe that one reason for the increase is because people do not want to confront the issue because it does sound 'antigay'. But the gay community needs to reengage itself in the problem like it did in the early 80's. And so do parents of young gay males too. There needs to be a conversation if lives will be saved.

Edited January 14, 2014 by why me

[Rob Osborn]

http://C***.org/statistics-homosexual-promiscuity

[Rob Osborn]

http://americansfortruth.com/2006/09/28/promiscuity-among-homosexuals/

[Rob Osborn]

http://josephnicolosi.com/an-open-secret-the-truth-about/

[why me]

Hello Rob.

 

I don't think that your links further the conversation. Dialogue is much better than just links without dialogue. Many young gay males are at risk because of their reckless sexual behavior. No doubt about it. But all are at risk by reckless sexual behavior. It is just that it affects the gay community more.

[Rob Osborn]

Those few sites stating statistics about promiscuity amongst homosexuals, especially sexually active homosexual males is rather scary.

I don't think it can really be debated that homosexuals are not more promiscuous than heterosexuals- the numbers dont lie.

I wonder what impact the spirit has on this as i do not see the Holy Ghost blessing these types of relationships and giving loving counsel to partners to remain together. I myself can pray to my Heavenly Father in support for my wife and receive answers that will help my relationship grow ever stronger. Homosexuals do not have this blessing as they are asking for a blessing while sinning and thus the Spirit is withdrawn from such. I wonder what impact the Spirit has on legally married man and woman versus homsexual couples?

[Brian 2.0]

Male gay intercourse is a MUCH higher risk act for the transmission of HIV than hetero intercourse. It's not just promiscuity.

Take two groups of equal promiscuity, one that engages in hetero intercourse, the other male intercourse. HIV would spread much faster in the male intercourse group.

The gay male community may be more promiscuous, but just looking at HIV infection rate could be misleading.

Edited January 14, 2014 by Brian 2.0

[Rob Osborn]

Male gay intercourse is a MUCH higher risk act for the transmission of HIV than hetero intercourse. It's not just promiscuity.

Take two groups of equal promiscuity, one that engages in hetero intercourse, the other male intercourse. HIV would spread much faster in the male intercourse group.

True but the fact remains that a homosexually sexually active male is more promiscuous than a heterosexually sexually active male.

[california boy]

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Those few sites stating statistics about promiscuity amongst homosexuals, especially sexually active homosexual males is rather scary.
I don't think it can really be debated that homosexuals are not more promiscuous than heterosexuals- the numbers dont lie.

I wonder what impact the spirit has on this as i do not see the Holy Ghost blessing these types of relationships and giving loving counsel to partners to remain together. I myself can pray to my Heavenly Father in support for my wife and receive answers that will help my relationship grow ever stronger. Homosexuals do not have this blessing as they are asking for a blessing while sinning and thus the Spirit is withdrawn from such. I wonder what impact the Spirit has on legally married man and woman versus homsexual couples?

Rob, I just don't know what to say to you.  You think gay people are incappable of having a relationship with God????  And you base this on your MARRIED relationship with your wife while knowing full well that very few gay men CAN MARRY??

 

You really are a piece of work.

 

While you are rationalizing your excuses for your attitudes, perhaps you can explain why the HIGHEST number of AIDS infections is among heterosexuals in the continent of Africa.  Are blacks also incappable of having a relationship with God?  Do you paint the black population with the same broad brush you so willingly paint the gay population?

Edited January 14, 2014 by california boy

[Rob Osborn]

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Rob, I just don't know what to say to you.  You think gay people are incappable of having a relationship with God????  And you base this on your MARRIED relationship with your wife while knowing full well that very few gay men CAN NOT MARRY??

 

You really are a piece of work.

Lets be truthful here, man to man.

You and I both know that homosexual behavior is a sin. Thus, is the spirit going to dwell more in a non sinful relationship versus a sinful relationship?

[SeekingUnderstanding]

Those few sites stating statistics about promiscuity amongst homosexuals, especially sexually active homosexual males is rather scary.

I don't think it can really be debated that homosexuals are not more promiscuous than heterosexuals- the numbers dont lie.

I wonder what impact the spirit has on this as i do not see the Holy Ghost blessing these types of relationships and giving loving counsel to partners to remain together. I myself can pray to my Heavenly Father in support for my wife and receive answers that will help my relationship grow ever stronger. Homosexuals do not have this blessing as they are asking for a blessing while sinning and thus the Spirit is withdrawn from such. I wonder what impact the Spirit has on legally married man and woman versus homsexual couples?

 

This may be true. What has not been shown that the higher promiscuity has anything to do with homosexuality. Correlation is not causation.  The question that we should all be asking ourselves is what part have we played in this? In the sixties videos like this one were being made: Homosexuals are criminal predators who recruit our children. It was societal attitude and anti-sodomy laws that forced practicing homosexuals underground. In these conditions I would predict (just my supposition) that only very few would participate, and those that participated would try to do so on an anonymous level.

 

I would say that the statistics surrounding AIDS and promiscuity among our gay brothers and sisters would drive us to offer them marriage and civil unions as encouragement to form stable relationships and the resultant social costs to society.

 

I found the following bycommonconsent post informative: http://bycommonconsent.com/2014/01/02/the-conversation-we-heard/

[Rob Osborn]

This may be true. What has not been shown that the higher promiscuity has anything to do with homosexuality. Correlation is not causation.  The question that we should all be asking ourselves is what part have we played in this? In the sixties videos like this one were being made: Homosexuals are criminal predators who recruit our children. It was societal attitude and anti-sodomy laws that forced practicing homosexuals underground. In these conditions I would predict (just my supposition) that only very few would participate, and those that participated would try to do so on an anonymous level.

 

I would say that the statistics surrounding AIDS and promiscuity among our gay brothers and sisters would drive us to offer them marriage and civil unions as encouragement to form stable relationships and the resultant social costs to society.

 

I found the following bycommonconsent post informative: http://bycommonconsent.com/2014/01/02/the-conversation-we-heard/

The trend right now in this country and in Europe is to not only support homosexuals but to embrace it. I find it interesting that you hear less and less of the negative impacts nowadays of these relationships. The truth still stands on its own though that gay couples are going to have more sex partners, be less likely to be involved in long term relationships with only one sexual partner, still be the leading group who pass along STD's, and be less stable for children to be raised with. Society is being duped into believing that homosexual behavior is healthy for society and thus should be extended all rights afforded to traditional families to raise families with. What complete MOCKERY and lies before God! We have been warned by our prophets the judgments that await us for embracing this type of false idolatry.

[Tacenda]

Hello Rob.

 

I don't think that your links further the conversation. Dialogue is much better than just links without dialogue. Many young gay males are at risk because of their reckless sexual behavior. No doubt about it. But all are at risk by reckless sexual behavior. It is just that it affects the gay community more.

I wonder if we didn't have heterosexual marriage available, would our society be the same?  Maybe the statistics you and Rob gathered provide a back drop for what life without marriage would have been.  Ever think of that?  But I'm still with the notion that it's not just gays bringing in these numbers. 

Edited January 14, 2014 by Tacenda

[Rob Osborn]

I wonder if we didn't have heterosexual marriage available, would our society be the same?  Maybe the statistics you and Rob gathered provide a back drop for what life without marriage would have been.  Ever think of that?  But I'm still with the notion that it's not just gays bringing in these numbers.

Extending marriage to gays doesn;t solve anything

[ALarson]

Extending marriage to gays doesn;t solve anything

It seems you would be in favor of this since you're spouting all kinds of wild accusations about how promiscuous single, male gays are.  I would think that marriage and a committed relationship would be a step in the right direction if one follows your warped reasoning.   It also wouldn't affect your marriage in the least.

Edited January 14, 2014 by ALarson

[why me]

I wonder if we didn't have heterosexual marriage available, would our society be the same?  Maybe the statistics you and Rob gathered provide a back drop for what life without marriage would have been.  Ever think of that?  But I'm still with the notion that it's not just gays bringing in these numbers. 

I think that it has to do with the mindset of some young gay males. I don't think a marriage opportunity would change the risky behavior. There is a segment of the gay population that is overly promiscuous. Why I have no idea. But it certainly needs a conversation within the gay community. According to the government website, the risky behavior has spiked up the number of young gay males with hiv. The idea of chasity would be a good idea for these young gay males. And when they do meet someone who they love, they can take part in a monogamous relationship.

[california boy]

Lets be truthful here, man to man.

You and I both know that homosexual behavior is a sin. Thus, is the spirit going to dwell more in a non sinful relationship versus a sinful relationship?

Man to man?  You have condemned gays as not being able to have a relationship with God.  You are painting every gay person with a broad brush that no one would like.  Are all single white heterosexuals unable to have a relationship with God because the statistics also show that they have way more sexual partners than married heterosexuals?  And you still didn't answer this question.

 

While you are rationalizing your excuses for your attitudes, perhaps you can explain why the HIGHEST number of AIDS infections is among heterosexuals in the continent of Africa.  Are blacks also incapable of having a relationship with God?  Do you paint the black population with the same broad brush you so willingly paint the gay population?

 

 

So what if some gays are more promiscuous.  You don't condemn an entire group of people based on the behavior of some.  You don't make statements that gays are unable to have a relationship with God.  ANY person committing sin moves further away from God.  Are you unable to have a relation with God because of your sins, or is it only gays?  Does the Holy Ghost dwell with ANY non member?  Because I thought that had to do with receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost through membership in the church.  Is everyone Godless who is not a member of the church and committing sin?

 

And if you want to speak "man to man" admit that denying marriage to this group just because they are gay has contributed significantly to this culture in the gay community.  Are you willing to admit that the church itself played an important part in creating this culture. 

 

Let's outlaw marriage for all Americans.  Let's excommunicate every heterosexual that has sex with anyone after we outlaw marriage.  What do you think would be the effects on society if we did that? It is not like the heterosexual community has a sterling morality record even when they have marriage available to them.  

 

The Bible prophesies that n the last days, there will be those forbidding to marry.  Growing up, I never thought it would be the church that would be the ones doing this.

[Rob Osborn]

It seems you would be in favor of this since you're spouting all kinds of wild accusations about how promiscuous single, male gays are.  I would think that marriage and a committed relationship would be a step in the right direction if one follows your warped reasoning.   It also wouldn't affect your marriage in the least.

I highly doubt extending marriage to homosexuals will solve the promiscuous behavior by them. Its sex driven obviously or why else are gay males so much more driven to have more sex partners,?

[Rob Osborn]

Man to man?  You have condemned gays as not being able to have a relationship with God.  You are painting every gay person with a broad brush that no one would like.  Are all single white heterosexuals unable to have a relationship with God because the statistics also show that they have way more sexual partners than married heterosexuals?  And you still didn't answer this question.

 

So what if some gays are more promiscuous.  You don't condemn an entire group of people based on the behavior of some.  You don't make statements that gays are unable to have a relationship with God.  ANY person committing sin moves further away from God.  Are you unable to have a relation with God because of your sins, or is it only gays?  Does the Holy Ghost dwell with ANY non member?  Because I thought that had to do with receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost through membership in the church.  Is everyone Godless who is not a member of the church and committing sin?

 

And if you want to speak "man to man" admit that denying marriage to this group just because they are gay has contributed significantly to this culture in the gay community.  Are you willing to admit that the church itself played an important part in creating this culture. 

 

Let's outlaw marriage for all Americans.  Let's excommunicate every heterosexual that has sex with anyone after we outlaw marriage.  What do you think would be the effects on society if we did that? It is not like the heterosexual community has a sterling morality record even when they have marriage available to them.  

 

The Bible prophesies that n the last days, there will be those forbidding to marry.  Growing up, I never thought it would be the church that would be the ones doing this.

I never said the spirit is withdrawn from a gay person. Please get what I say correctly. I said that you and I both know homosexusl behavior is a sin and that the Spirit is withdrawn from the relationship part of asking for help in your sinful relationship.

[Ahab]

I'm with you, Rob, but it's not only about having sexual relations outside of marriage or being immersed in pornography so much as it is not knowing what a wholesome sexual relationship with another person really is. They think they know, but they don't. They think their alternative lifestyle is a good thing, but it isn't. And they think others should condone and approve of their lifestyle as just another way to express their sexual impulses, and even though more and more people in this world are now agreeing with them or at least supporting them by agreeing that what they are doing is okay and acceptable it never id going to be a good thing. Legal, but not good, and it's not even good that it's legal.