Finnish Archaeologist Digs Up Ancient Civilization In Brazil

[why me]

http://yle.fi/uutiset/finnish_archaeologist_digs_up_ancient_civilization_in_brazil/6837612

 

 

 

Finnish archaeologist digs up ancient civilization in Brazil Archaeologist Martti Pärssinen has made sensational finds of an ancient civilisation in the Amazonian area. The summer’s digs in Brazil have unearthed unique artefacts, including entirely new forms of ceramics.

• The clearing of the Amazon rainforest has revealed mysterious patterns in the earth. The large-scale patterns are best visible from the air, where Finnish archaeologist Martti Pärssinen takes pictures of them.
  

  The geometrical patterns have been made with earth mounds and moats. Many of them are huge, with sides measuring up to a few hundred metres. Over 300 such structures have been discovered in the Brazilian state of Acre alone.

  The construction feat involved can be compared to that achieved by those that built the pyramids in Egypt.

  Professor Pärssinen points out that people here must have expended as much energy as the workers in Egypt, shaping the earth into vast motes and mounds, in complex, multiple structures.

  Sensational finds

  The find has been a sensation for researchers, as it was previously thought that much of the Amazon was merely sparsely populated, wild rainforest.

  Graduate student Ivandra Rampanelli says the patterns are rewriting the history of habitation of the Amazon – an area that was before seen as devoid of great civilizations.

  Radiocarbon dating shows the oldest patterns were built some two thousand years ago, and that the civilisation suddenly ended 700 years ago, possibly due to foreign diseases brought by Europeans.

  Now the archaeological excavations are shedding light on the life of this ancient people. Record quantities of ceramics have been unearthed, including 300 kilograms of pot fragments.   

  Some of the ornamentation on these is totally new to science, while other figures prove connections with faraway populations in the Andes.

  Professor Pärssinen couldn’t be more excited. According to him, this is perhaps one of the last places in the world where such rich findings can still be made. Almost everything that is discovered here brings new knowledge of the past.

 

[Johnnie Cake]

Oh Great…that’s all we need to muddy the waters….another possible site for the setting of the Book of Mormon. Added to the LGT (Limited Geographic Theory), the HGT (Hemispheric GT) and the other HGT (Heartland GT)…we can now add, postulate about and debate the BGT (Brazilian GT). 

 

Despite all of these alternative conflicting theories, I still stand by my favorite theory for BoM setting…the DNH...seems to be the one with the most evidence supporting its conclusions.

Edited September 18, 2013 by Johnnie Cake

[Calm]

Oh Great…that’s all we need to muddy the waters….another possible site for the setting of the Book of Mormon.

 

I don't see any claim that this site is attached to the BoM, do you?

Edited September 18, 2013 by calmoriah

[why me]

Oh Great…that’s all we need to muddy the waters….another possible site for the setting of the Book of Mormon. Added to the LGT (Limited Geographic Theory), the HGT (Hemispheric GT) and the other HGT (Heartland GT)…we can now add, postulate about and debate the BGT (Brazilian GT). 

 

Despite all of these alternative conflicting theories, I still stand by my favorite theory for BoM setting…the DNH...seems to be the one with the most evidence supporting its conclusions.

I think that the people were settled throughout the area. I do find the comparison with Egypt interesting. It seems that there was something in common with that part of the world. Also, the discovery of a different type of ceramics was also interesting. The book is not closed on the book of mormon because of archaeology. More is being discovered with interesting comparisons.

[why me]

I don't see any claim that this site is attached to the BoM, do you?

No. But the comparison with Egypt is interesting. Rather close to Lehi.

[strappinglad]

What this does show is that there are still civilizations, previously unknown, to have existed on a large scale. As the saying goes , absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence. Here we have the remains of what is obviously a large population for which we have no documentation as to any interaction with the Europeans or ,for that matter, other peoples in the area.

[Senator]

No. But the comparison with Egypt is interesting. Rather close to Lehi.

Ummm....the comparison was simply that of scale; not having anything to do with civilization or cultural likeness.

[Stone holm]

I don't see any claim that this site is attached to the BoM, do you?

Be patient.

[JDave]

I don't see any claim that this site is attached to the BoM, do you?

It does have a tag, "What will exmormons say?" 

 

Probably the same thing most Mormons would say,  "Cool !!"

[thesometimesaint]

It does have a tag, "What will exmormons say?" 

 

Probably the same thing most Mormons would say,  "Cool !!"

 

Cool.

[Calm]

 Rather close to Lehi.

Meaning....

[Calm]

It does have a tag, "What will exmormons say?" 

 

Missed that....don't usually pay attention to tags....

[The Nehor]

Oh Great…that’s all we need to muddy the waters….another possible site for the setting of the Book of Mormon. Added to the LGT (Limited Geographic Theory), the HGT (Hemispheric GT) and the other HGT (Heartland GT)…we can now add, postulate about and debate the BGT (Brazilian GT). 

 

Despite all of these alternative conflicting theories, I still stand by my favorite theory for BoM setting…the DNH...seems to be the one with the most evidence supporting its conclusions.

I am sorry to hear that new knowledge and information about the past will inconvenience your petty little crusade.

Nope, could not keep a straight face.

[Calm]

Cool.

I am with TSS and JDave...I say "cool", but imo assuming that anything earlier than 1492 or some other date in the Americas has something to say about the BoM....all that does is hold the door way open to error.

 

Using it to point out that discoveries are likely still to come in that area is a valid perspective though, but would probably be the only thing I feel secure in saying until more specific dates, locations, trade routes and other connections are put in place by scholars who know what they are doing.

[Darren10]

_{I agree. This discovery is very cool. Also, if anything regarding the Book of Mormon, it shows that archeology / man's science does not know everything. But God does.}

[nealr]

Oh Great…that’s all we need to muddy the waters….another possible site for the setting of the Book of Mormon. Added to the LGT (Limited Geographic Theory), the HGT (Hemispheric GT) and the other HGT (Heartland GT)…we can now add, postulate about and debate the BGT (Brazilian GT). 

 

Despite all of these alternative conflicting theories, I still stand by my favorite theory for BoM setting…the DNH...seems to be the one with the most evidence supporting its conclusions.

 

A couple of quibbles. The "Limited Geography Theory" does not refer to a specific place, but is merely a theory as to the scope of Book of Mormon geography, namely that it is of limited scale. The exact "limitations" and location maybe debatable. Hence, any theory positing less-than the whole hemisphere is an LGT. The various Mesoamerican models are all LGTs, and so are the various Great Lakes/Heartland models. 

 

Second, there are already South America based models, though I don't know about Brazil specifically. See, for example, George Potter's Nephi in the Promised Land (Cedar Fort, 2009). This model is, of course, also an LGT, as would any based on Brazil.

 

Third, I seriously doubt this will spur any new Book of Mormon geography theories. Despite Potter's efforts to bring the Book of Mormon to South America, popular (Mormon) opinion is basically settling around two possibilities: the Heartland or Mesoamerica. Meanwhile, scholarly (Mormon) opinion remains decidedly in favor of Mesoamerica. I suspect, when a certain cult of personality dies down, popular opinion will follow the scholarly. 

[mfbukowski]

I want to go down for time and eternity as being, with all my heart and soul, firmly and staunchly, and absolutely, on the side of those who think this is cool.

[mfbukowski]

The only problem in arguing with this archaeologist, though, is that after he speaks, the thinking is Finnish.

Edited September 18, 2013 by mfbukowski

[Stone holm]

I want to go down for time and eternity as being, with all my heart and soul, firmly and staunchly, and absolutely, on the side of those who think this is cool.

It is cool, but it has been known for sometime that a large portion of the Amazon rainforest was previously urban or semi urban areas. The more recent breakthrough, not sure involved in this case, is the use of special photography which allows them to see through the foliage to the structures underneath which beats the heck out of agent orange.

[Stone holm]

The only problem in arguing with this archaeologist, though, is that after he speaks, the thinking is Finnish.

Argh puns can draw the moderators ire don't they?

[thesometimesaint]

It is cool, but it has been known for sometime that a large portion of the Amazon rainforest was previously urban or semi urban areas. The more recent breakthrough, not sure involved in this case, is the use of special photography which allows them to see through the foliage to the structures underneath which beats the heck out of agent orange.

 

Such is also the case with Mesoamerica.

[Stone holm]

Such is also the case with Mesoamerica.

True.

[Bob Crockett]

 

http://yle.fi/uutiset/finnish_archaeologist_digs_up_ancient_civilization_in_brazil/6837612

 

• The find has been a sensation for researchers, as it was previously thought that much of the Amazon was merely sparsely populated, wild rainforest.

   

 This is wildly untrue.  Just read the work of Brazilian archeologist Anna Roosevelt and some of Charles Mann's books.

[Rivers]

Oh Great…that’s all we need to muddy the waters….another possible site for the setting of the Book of Mormon. Added to the LGT (Limited Geographic Theory), the HGT (Hemispheric GT) and the other HGT (Heartland GT)…we can now add, postulate about and debate the BGT (Brazilian GT).

Despite all of these alternative conflicting theories, I still stand by my favorite theory for BoM setting…the DNH...seems to be the one with the most evidence supporting its conclusions.

DNH?

[Rivers]

Duplicate

Edited September 18, 2013 by Rivers