Popular Post David T Posted September 7, 2013 Popular Post Posted September 7, 2013 This is HUGE. It's like the Mormon History Geek's Holy Grail. From the article: Regarding other plans in the Joseph Smith Papers Project, Elder Snow said a few days prior to this recent announcement that the First Presidency "has approved the Church History Department staff to use the Council of Fifty minutes as reference and footnote material in upcoming Joseph Smith Papers books and to eventually publish the minutes in full as a separate volume." Elder Snow explained that Joseph Smith established the Council of Fifty in March 1844. "The minutes of the council meetings, which have heretofore not been available for research, provide a new window into Joseph's prophetic view on government and the kingdom of God," he said. "Following Joseph's death, the council continued to meet under Brigham Young's leadership and played a key role in the planning for the trek west. Our historians have been working to prepare these important records for publication some time. We plan to publish the Nauvoo minutes of the Council of Fifty in the Administrative Records Series of the Joseph Smith Papers." It's been a big, un-addressed question for a while if these would be utilized. This is ... wow. A whole cache of notes and documents formerly unavailable to researchers that likely contain expressions of theological views of Joseph. It's hard to express how big this is, and how much this could change and clarify our understanding of Joseph's mindset and teachings towards the end of his life. 7
canard78 Posted September 7, 2013 Posted September 7, 2013 Polyandry on an lds.org search result and now Council of 50 vault opens. Salivating. I'm such a nerd. 2
Calm Posted September 7, 2013 Posted September 7, 2013 (edited) Nice, now we can see if all those conspiracy theories are true or not. That is if they release the actual minutes and don't come up with some forgeries to cover up the skullduggery. Edited September 7, 2013 by calmoriah 2
Tacenda Posted September 7, 2013 Posted September 7, 2013 I am either dreaming or I do remember some feedback from this board about the council of the fifty being anti stuff. Interesting. Oh, and something to do with Grant Palmer's telling of it. Maybe I'll go hunt for the thread, unless I'm imagining it.
DBMormon Posted September 8, 2013 Posted September 8, 2013 Polyandry on an lds.org search result and now Council of 50 vault opens. Salivating. I'm such a nerd.I searched Polyandry and a few results come back but then searching any of the results fails to turn up the word polyandry. While D&C 132 speaks of it as a principle briefly, we have no history or direct mention
canard78 Posted September 8, 2013 Posted September 8, 2013 I searched Polyandry and a few results come back but then searching any of the results fails to turn up the word polyandry. While D&C 132 speaks of it as a principle briefly, we have no history or direct mentionGoogle is the software behind the search so it may take a while to pick it up. Search "polyandrous marriages" (it's also linked at the back end of the 132 tetraannual thread).
canard78 Posted September 8, 2013 Posted September 8, 2013 (edited) I searched Polyandry and a few results come back but then searching any of the results fails to turn up the word polyandry. While D&C 132 speaks of it as a principle briefly, we have no history or direct mentionHere you go:http://www.lds.org/search?lang=eng&query=%22polyandrous+marriages+took+place%22By the way, David T, you mentioned that D&C 132:51 appeared for a polyandry search. That doesn't mean the church has tagged that verse as being about polyandry. Given they use google software now for their search it would mean that other sites have linked to that verse and have referenced polyandry in the page they link from. Over time, as more websites link to the JSP intro and mention polyandry when they do so, it will also appear as a result, rather than only appearing when the exact quote is searched for as is currently the case. (Sorry, I'm on my phone, I think my punctuation was a little bit 1830 version of the Book of Mormon in that last paragraph). Edited September 8, 2013 by canard78
DBMormon Posted September 8, 2013 Posted September 8, 2013 (edited) The Joseph Smith's papers link is great..... after 180 years of not saying anything but whispers we fianlly have an actual Church source that confirms and discusses that Polyandry took place. It is a milestone, but one that should at least have been as well known as Joseph's leg surgery all along. Edited September 8, 2013 by DBMormon 1
Calm Posted September 8, 2013 Posted September 8, 2013 Given they use google software now for their search it would mean that other sites have linked to that verse and have referenced polyandry in the page they link from. Over time, as more websites link to the JSP intro and mention polyandry when they do so, it will also appear as a result, rather than only appearing when the exact quote is searched for as is currently the case.Is there some way for them to prevent this if they so desire?
Tacenda Posted September 8, 2013 Posted September 8, 2013 Yes, for sure it should have been well known, as well as the knee surgery. Also for BY's polyandry should have been well known. That was a new one on me just this past year. The tragedy is that the wives aren't well known, they seemed to have sacrificed plenty.I was awe inspired to see Brian Hale's volumes about JS's polygamy sold online at Deseret Book yesterday. No 'Mormon Enigma' or 'In Sacred Loneliness' though, they've been pulled. I hope Brian's don't get pulled in the future. If it does that's proof for the naysayers that the church hides history. Now I'd like to see where Brian's books are placed and how, in the store. At the beginning of my faith crisis I went to DB and asked if they had 'In Sacred Loneliness'. The clerk checked and said no, but that they had 'Mormon Enigma' and highly recommend it, she was around my age or older. But as you can see they've both been pulled, makes one wonder what happenend.
rpn Posted September 8, 2013 Posted September 8, 2013 It could be as simple as out of print or old scholarship or the publisher doesn't allow it to be sold through db --- doesn't have to be about the content itself.
canard78 Posted September 8, 2013 Posted September 8, 2013 Is there some way for them to prevent this if they so desire?I would imagine so. Otherwise they could be "google bombed" (I think that's what it's called) where "false prophet" return "president monsoon" in the results.
iamse7en Posted September 9, 2013 Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) I'm not sure I get this. The Church did not allow these minutes for research or publication all this time for a specific reason. Yet they are now allowing it. It makes me think that not every word of the minutes will be available. Edited September 9, 2013 by iamse7en 1
Calm Posted September 9, 2013 Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) I'm not sure I get this. The Church did not allow these minutes for research or publication all this time for a specific reason. Yet they are now allowing it. It makes me think that not every word of the minutes will be available.Well, now they can have complete control on what is exposed instead of having to be worried that someone will take something out of context and not present the whole story and it will be widely available rather than just limited to those who could get their hands on the book. With it being online in complete form, those who are interested can see for themselves if someone's interpretation is accurate rather than just having to rely on their say so. Plus they have seen the positive reactions over all to other potentially sensitive issues so they are probably comfortable in their ability to predict reaction and reception. Edited September 9, 2013 by calmoriah 2
cinepro Posted September 9, 2013 Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) I'm not sure I get this. The Church did not allow these minutes for research or publication all this time for a specific reason. Yet they are now allowing it. It makes me think that not every word of the minutes will be available. I suspect someone finally read the minutes after all these years and found them to be both innocuous and insufferably boring... April 2, 1844 - Item 1: Discussion of Exterior of Nauvoo Temple. Cream white or light gray? (2 hour discussion of Item 1). Edited September 9, 2013 by cinepro 3
Tacenda Posted September 9, 2013 Posted September 9, 2013 Well, now they can have complete control on what is exposed instead of having to be worried that someone will take something out of context and not present the whole story and it will be widely available rather than just limited to those who could get their hands on the book. With it being online in complete form, those who are interested can see for themselves if someone's interpretation is accurate rather than just having to rely on their say so.Plus they have seen the positive reactions over all to other potentially sensitive issues so they are probably comfortable in their ability to predict reaction and reception.It's probably the best thing for them to do. People have always said the church should have been totally transparent, rather than to appear deceptive. This will save so much heartache for many in the future. My marriage was on the rocks for several years because of finding out unknowns and feeling lied to, which led to my crisis. I'm over the hump for the most part and can feel almost where I was before. But for many, it's too late.
Stargazer Posted September 9, 2013 Posted September 9, 2013 Well, just keeping the minutes out of the public eye helps in keeping interest up. Perhaps that was the motivation. "So, we agreed to keep these minutes from getting out to the public so that when we do release them, the interest will peak? All in favor?" "Aye!"
canard78 Posted September 9, 2013 Posted September 9, 2013 I suspect someone finally read the minutes after all these years and found them to be both innocuous and insufferably boring... Have sat in far too many meetings, both secular and non-secular, I fear you may be right.
Scott Lloyd Posted September 9, 2013 Posted September 9, 2013 I'm not sure I get this. The Church did not allow these minutes for research or publication all this time for a specific reason. Yet they are now allowing it. It makes me think that not every word of the minutes will be available.And so the conspiracy theories continue. Brigham Young really did order the Mountain Meadows Massacre, even though there is direct documentary evidence that he ordered the contrary. Oswald did not act alone The moon landings were faked in a TV studio in Houston. Elvis lives.
Sevenbak Posted September 9, 2013 Posted September 9, 2013 Elvis lives.He lives on... at the PCC. Have a safe flight back my friend!
cinepro Posted September 9, 2013 Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) And so the conspiracy theories continue. Brigham Young really did order the Mountain Meadows Massacre, even though there is direct documentary evidence that he ordered the contrary. Oswald did not act alone The moon landings were faked in a TV studio in Houston. Elvis lives. Nice try. I see the "true" one you threw in there.... Edited September 9, 2013 by cinepro 2
Scott Lloyd Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 (edited) Nice try. I see the "true" one you threw in there....You mean "The conspiracy theories continue"? Yes, that statement is true, making it the one that's not like the others. Edited September 10, 2013 by Scott Lloyd
Scott Lloyd Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 He lives on... at the PCC. Have a safe flight back my friend!Mahalo and aloha.
Scott Lloyd Posted September 10, 2013 Posted September 10, 2013 Yes, for sure it should have been well known, as well as the knee surgery. Also for BY's polyandry should have been well known. That was a new one on me just this past year. The tragedy is that the wives aren't well known, they seemed to have sacrificed plenty.I was awe inspired to see Brian Hale's volumes about JS's polygamy sold online at Deseret Book yesterday. No 'Mormon Enigma' or 'In Sacred Loneliness' though, they've been pulled. I hope Brian's don't get pulled in the future. If it does that's proof for the naysayers that the church hides history. Now I'd like to see where Brian's books are placed and how, in the store. At the beginning of my faith crisis I went to DB and asked if they had 'In Sacred Loneliness'. The clerk checked and said no, but that they had 'Mormon Enigma' and highly recommend it, she was around my age or older. But as you can see they've both been pulled, makes one wonder what happenend. Maybe they just went out of print due to lack of interest, a thing that happens eventually to most books.
David T Posted September 11, 2013 Author Posted September 11, 2013 Maybe they just went out of print due to lack of interest, a thing that happens eventually to most books. Don't think that's the case. Mormon Enigma. In Sacred Lonliness.
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