New Endowment Presentation Rolling Out Today (No Details)

[Kenngo1969]

Gordon Jump never had trouble paying the mortgage...

Did he play Satan? ...

[cdowis]

Report on ATL temple-- new version started this week, and still using the old version for the Spanish sessions. Temple Pres said that Spanish version should be available in a couple of months.

FWIW, I am old school and grew up on b/w TV, don't watch current movies, so it will take awhile to adjust. Maybe I'll just close my eyes and listen.

Edited August 10, 2013 by cdowis

[BlueDreams]

Report on ATL temple-- new version started this week, and still using the old version for the Spanish sessions. Temple Pres said that Spanish version should be available in a couple of months.

oh Good...i was hoping they'd do that sooner than later. I was almost wondering why they didn't just do spanish with english at the same time since there's such a large portion of spanish-speaking members.

FWIW, I am old school and grew up on b/w TV, don't watch current movies, so it will take awhile to adjust. Maybe I'll just close my eyes and listen.

Well good....we'll switch. The younger gens had to get used to a really old video and now the older will have to get used to a new one

With luv,

BD

[canard78]

Well good....we'll switch. The younger gens had to get used to a really old video and now the older will have to get used to a new one

With luv,

BD

You mean you're not going to miss the dodgy studio foliage :shock:

[cdowis]

oh Good...i was hoping they'd do that sooner than later. I was almost wondering why they didn't just do spanish with english at the same time since there's such a large portion of spanish-speaking members.

Are you suggesting that they actually hold up the release of the video for a few months until the Spanish language was completed? Or wait an entire year or two until all the languages were done...

Edited August 11, 2013 by cdowis

[cdowis]

You mean you're not going to miss the dodgy studio foliage :shock:

Be careful, friend. I still watch the oldies on youtube. It's the story and the acting, not the foliage, that makes the movie for me.

All that CGI stuff makes me dizzy. I have severe vertigo and.... well, you know what I am talking about. I find myself screaming inside, "be careful and don't fall."

Edited August 11, 2013 by cdowis

[BlueDreams]

Are you suggesting that they actually hold up the release of the video for a few months until the Spanish language was completed? Or wait an entire year or two until all the languages were done...

No, i just assumed they'd come out with 1 or 2 major translations and branch out from there. I would assume production of all possible languages that the video be aired will be tedious and time consuming to get people who can do the voice-over in the first place. But the major ones, like spanish, should be comparably easy to bring out as well. And it's not like most patrons would have noticed the difference if there was a couple months more to first airing....after all, most of us had no idea when it was coming to the temple in the first place. I was just glad that it will (hopefully) brought out sooner than I thought.

With luv,

BD

[canard78]

Be careful, friend. I still watch the oldies on youtube. It's the story and the acting, not the foliage, that makes the movie for me.

All that CGI stuff makes me dizzy. I have severe vertigo and.... well, you know what I am talking about. I find myself screaming inside, "be careful and don't fall."

For a minute I thought that when you were saying you watched the oldies on YouTube you meant the old endowment video and was a little shocked. Then I realised you meant old Hollywood movies.

[BlueDreams]

For a minute I thought that when you were saying you watched the oldies on YouTube you meant the old endowment video and was a little shocked. Then I realised you meant old Hollywood movies.

Oh good I'm not the only one!

[kassie]

I also would like to add a good read for those who didn't have a positive experience their first time in the Temple. This book will definitely enlighten those who have gone through and found it "weird". I have read all of the other suggestions and found them wonderful as well. Gaskill's book is amazing. The footnotes could be a book all on their own and offers a wealth of information. I highly recommend this book to everyone.

I just ordered it on Amazon as well as one entitled "Your Endowment" Look forward to reading them both. Thanks for the link!

[kassie]

For a minute I thought that when you were saying you watched the oldies on YouTube you meant the old endowment video and was a little shocked. Then I realised you meant old Hollywood movies.

Me too! I thought "he was watching the old endowment film on youtube???!!!" Then I realized the same.

[David T]

So here's a question - is there a moral problem with an active, endowed member privately reviewing and meditating on the presentation (an admittedly surreptitiously obtained and posted version) on YouTube or an mp3? If so, why?

[Scott Lloyd]

So here's a question - is there a moral problem with an active, endowed member privately reviewing and meditating on the presentation (an admittedly surreptitiously obtained and posted version) on YouTube or an mp3? If so, why?

I would have a moral problem with it. It would amount to supporting avowed enemies of the Church by consuming what they have nefariously obtained and are distributing.

[cinepro]

So here's a question - is there a moral problem with an active, endowed member privately reviewing and meditating on the presentation (an admittedly surreptitiously obtained and posted version) on YouTube or an mp3? If so, why?

Before I went to the Temple (and in pre-internet days), I heard someone mention a friend they had that had looked at an anti-Mormon copy of the Temple ceremony to help them remember "the part they had to memorize." I remember thinking how odd that there was something that someone would have to "study" before going back to the Temple.

[canard78]

So here's a question - is there a moral problem with an active, endowed member privately reviewing and meditating on the presentation (an admittedly surreptitiously obtained and posted version) on YouTube or an mp3? If so, why?

I would suggest that if they wanted to review and meditate on the presentation they go for another session. That way they get to sit through anyway and serve another at the same time.

Once you've been enough times you can pretty much replay the whole thing in your head anyway.

[Calm]

I would suggest that if they wanted to review and meditate on the presentation they go for another session. That way they get to sit through anyway and serve another at the same time.

Once you've been enough times you can pretty much replay the whole thing in your head anyway.

Exactly. If context wasn't important in experiencing the material, I have no doubt the Church would have put out their own version to help people remember what to say. Edited August 12, 2013 by calmoriah

[canard78]

Exactly. If context wasn't important in experiencing the material, I have no doubt the Church would have put out their own version to help people remember what to say.

The endowment was always designed to be an interactive group play. Early accounts has everyone playing Adam and Eve as a group. Today we still do in parts and we "play the part" of someone who has died. If you watch from a laptop you're missing a part of the 3-dimensional teaching environment.

[mfbukowski]

So here's a question - is there a moral problem with an active, endowed member privately reviewing and meditating on the presentation (an admittedly surreptitiously obtained and posted version) on YouTube or an mp3? If so, why?

The whole purpose is for one to attend the temple many times to "L-earn" (learn and earn) knowledge.

To me anything else would be seeking a short-cut to the celestial kingdom. But of course I am weird.

On the other hand, I have constructed coded spread-sheet-like diagrams from memory of what happens in each room (section) of the endowment.

If someone would find them, they would be jibberish to anyone but me. But I have found those very useful in tracing the progression of each "layer" of the endowment and how each promise etc relates to the symbolism of all the others. It's kind of like 3-d chess, and my brain cannot juggle everything that happens without seeing some sort of diagram.

But I think it should be done from memory- besides I would not want to give any "hits" to films on youtube like that- in effect you are paying those people for posting the films!

My understanding is that if one gets enough hits one gets paid.

Edited August 13, 2013 by mfbukowski

[mfbukowski]

duplicate

Edited August 13, 2013 by mfbukowski

[Calm]

My understanding is that if one gets enough hits one gets paid.

Wouldn't matter if they did or didn't as there is most likely a psychological reward for every hit they get...well, for those who went to the effort to get the film. I doubt those who just repost it care as much.

[David T]

So if an mp3 is aquired, and listened to on a walk

I would suggest that if they wanted to review and meditate on the presentation they go for another session. That way they get to sit through anyway and serve another at the same time.

Once you've been enough times you can pretty much replay the whole thing in your head anyway.

What about a post-1990 Endowed member listening to a recording (or reading a transcript) of a pre-1990 version? Is that also viewed as morally problematic, because all available version would have been 'unauthorized'? If so, is there any non-morally problematic way for a younger modern member who is interested to experience (or one may say study) the history of the development of the ordinance, similar to the ways one can study the development and evolution of the revelation texts through the JSPP?

I don't see the Temple having a 'Study Room' with transcripts of past versions available for review by patrons being a thing anytime soon. Although that would be awesome.

Edited August 13, 2013 by David T

[canard78]

So if an mp3 is aquired, and listened to on a walk

What about a post-1990 Endowed member listening to a recording (or reading a transcript) of a pre-1990 version? Is that also viewed as morally problematic, because all available version would have been 'unauthorized'? If so, is there any non-morally problematic way for a younger modern member who is interested to experience (or one may say study) the history of the development of the ordinance, similar to the ways one can study the development and evolution of the revelation texts through the JSPP?

I don't see the Temple having a 'Study Room' with transcripts of past versions available for review by patrons being a thing anytime soon. Although that would be awesome.

I'm also a 'post-1990' endowed member. I would also find this interesting. But not essential and probably not approved. The endowment is a good example of how we are a true and living church. The endowment is 'living' because it is one that has changed with the times. Symbols that used to work no longer apply. Things that never used to get an explanation now do because the symbols used to be obvious (due to cultural environment) and now aren't.

Given it's a living ordinance I'd suggest the one that exists today is the one you and I need to learn from. I agree though that the symbols that used to be used may be interesting and informative. But not essential. I look forward to this living ordinance, in both word and action, changing in future times.

[Calm]

Given it's a living ordinance I'd suggest the one that exists today is the one you and I need to learn from. I agree though that the symbols that used to be used may be interesting and informative. But not essential. I look forward to this living ordinance, in both word and action, changing in future times.

It seems to me that studying past endowments is more of an academic pursuit than a covenantal one....I too think of this covenant ritual as necessary to be lived through...though academic study of surrounding aspects would be appropriate, I feel like a certain sacred mindset should be developed about the ritual itself and anything that might tempt us to shift that perspective to a more mundane one should probably be avoided. The sacred space surrounding the endowment does not have to be very big, but I think it has to be very 'dense' so to speak to prevent distractions and degradation (as in 'lessening' not perverting). I certainly believe there is much we can freely discuss, much more than is typical, but there is a core that should remain completely temple and soul bound to provide us with a secure, immoveable anchor around which our worlds can revolve....the celestial axis or tree that unites heaven and earth that allows for man in spirit to ascend towards God and God to condescend to man through revelation.

[canard78]

It seems to me that studying past endowments is more of an academic pursuit than a covenantal one....I too think of this covenant ritual as necessary to be lived through...though academic study of surrounding aspects would be appropriate, I feel like a certain sacred mindset should be developed about the ritual itself and anything that might tempt us to shift that perspective to a more mundane one should probably be avoided. The sacred space surrounding the endowment does not have to be very big, but I think it has to be very 'dense' so to speak to prevent distractions and degradation (as in 'lessening' not perverting). I certainly believe there is much we can freely discuss, much more than is typical, but there is a core that should remain completely temple and soul bound to provide us with a secure, immoveable anchor around which our worlds can revolve....the celestial axis or tree that unites heaven and earth that allows for man in spirit to ascend towards God and God to condescend to man through revelation.

Beautiful imagery in your comment

I've mentioned to a few members that there's a new film. The response has been: "Oh really," shuffle feet, "that's nice."

Some people even consider that to be too much to discuss. Having said that, I can remember teaching temple prep and not even being sure if it was ok to tell them they would see a film dramatisation.

We often hear it said that it's "sacred not secret" but many members presume that the first can only be achieved with the second.

I do also find it interesting to study the 'evolution' of the endowment and have tried to do so in the right spirit. Problem is that sources are scarce and those available are not wholly reliable given the reasons they've "come out" about it. Even the snippets available (such as the whole company originally acting out the story that is now depicted in film) is, for me, an enriching experience and does help to give a more rounded perspective of how we have got to where we are today with the current endowment.

But I still recognise the best place to discover it is inside and in action.

[kassie]

I stumbled across this book on amazon.com and from the preview it looks excellent! Can't wait for it to get here!

http://www.amazon.com/Your-Endowment-Mark-A-Shields/dp/1599552876/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_y