New Endowment Presentation Rolling Out Today (No Details)

[ZelphtheGreat]

New, old, whatever. Where is the revelation that give these rituals?

 

Were they ever voted on by the Saints?

 

From reading, they are different compared to what Joseph Smith did. The Temple is different from the one Jesus supposedly gave the plans for..., the Kirtland Temple. Seems to me if the Savior gave you plans you would use them each time until he gave you new ones. Sure would prevent architectural abominations like the Provo Temple.

 

 

 

 

[cinepro]

I think it is more about how we look upon and treat ourselves than how the Lord looks on us.  I think the direction was as much due to concern for why people were getting such things done to their bodies as the markings and piercings themselves.

Then that's what they should say.

Again, the scriptures seem to be more focused on how we dress from a perspective of greed and pride, not modesty and appearance. It's really weird that we hear so much about not wearing tank tops or having double piercings, and so little about wearing expensive clothes or expensive jewelry.

[Calm]

And the Nauvoo temple is different than the Kirtland Temple, yet we know it involved revelation:

 

http://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/124.42?lang=eng

 

 

D&C 124:42 And I will show unto my servant Joseph all things pertaining to this house, and the priesthood thereof, and the place whereon it shall be built.

 

[Calm]

Then that's what they should say.

Again, the scriptures seem to be more focused on how we dress from a perspective of greed and pride, not modesty and appearance. It's really weird that we hear so much about not wearing tank tops or having double piercings, and so little about wearing expensive clothes or expensive jewelry.

Well, since we already have scriptures dealing so much with the greed and pride aspect, perhaps there is greater need for emphasizing the modesty and appearance.  From what I've seen, most often they go hand and hand.  If one is modest, one tends not to overdress as well as underdress.

[David T]

New, old, whatever. Where is the revelation that give these rituals?

 

Were they ever voted on by the Saints?

 

From reading, they are different compared to what Joseph Smith did. The Temple is different from the one Jesus supposedly gave the plans for..., the Kirtland Temple. Seems to me if the Savior gave you plans you would use them each time until he gave you new ones. Sure would prevent architectural abominations like the Provo Temple.

 

The historical Israelite prophetic tradition includes prophets who revise, reinterpret, doctrinally update, and add to earlier sacred texts. I mean, come on - the Torah itself has gone through at the very, very least 5 key strains of compilation, revision, and redaction, with whole books (like Leviticus and Deuteronomy) being inserted late in the game, but presented as part of the original narrative. Joseph Smith continued this tradition with his Bible Revision (JST).

 

A living prophetic religion/Church claiming to be the restoration of the old pattern and prophetic practice should expect to see updates and revisions of sacred texts and ritual as more revelation comes, and as more cultural blinders are removed revealing the difference between prior revelation and assumptive conclusions based on those revelations..

 

While I'm oftene frustrated to see modern LDS present that modern understandings must have been fully understood anciently (indications otherwise are 'not translated correctly' or 'corrupted by wicked people'), I'm just as quick to acknowledge that older and original isn't always better, or more doctrinally accurate as pertains to Actual Truth. But being able to distinguish and learn from the development is a powerful illustration of revelation at work.

Edited August 16, 2013 by David T

[Calm]

The historical Israelite prophetic tradition includes prophets who revise, reinterpret, doctrinally update, and add to earlier sacred texts. I mean, come on - the Torah itself has gone through at the very, very least 5 key strains of compilation, revision, and redaction, with whole books (like Leviticus and Deuteronomy) being inserted late in the game, but presented as part of the original narrative. 

Is there anyone who believes the Israelites up to the Jews built identical structures for the purpose of their temple worship starting with the Tabernacle and ending with Herod's Temple?

 

While I'm oftene frustrated to see modern LDS present that modern understandings must have been fully understood anciently (indications otherwise are 'not translated correctly' or 'corrupted by wicked people'), I'm just as quick to acknowledge that older and original isn't always better, or more doctrinally accurate as pertains to Actual Truth. But being able to distinguish and learn from the development is a powerful illustration of revelation at work.

 

Those who attempt to hold LDS to older revelation as if we are somehow locked into it whether it is biblical or early LDS history seem at times to be oblivious to the ninth AoF.

Edited August 16, 2013 by calmoriah

[Kenngo1969]

"We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to His Kingdom ..."  But I pray that He'll hold off, at least for awhile, because I just bought a new copy of the updated scriptures!

[mfbukowski]

I am talking about paying anti-mormons to record the temple ceremonies and you are talking about "devotional scripture study"

Please tell me you can tell the difference

I think I see the problem. My intended emphasis was on the "privately reviewing and meditating on the presentation ... on YouTube or an mp3?", and your emphasis was on the parenthetical "(an admittedly surreptitiously obtained and posted version)".

"Devotional scripture study" was in reference to " privately reviewing and meditating on [a recording of] the presentation ", and you were referring to the antagonistic act of posing intending to be an expose. The act of posting with the intent to expose being "anti". The recording, if without commentary, is not in and of itself "anti-mormon material", because it's, well, a copy of something the Church produced, and, in and of itself, I'd say the Temple Ordinances are highly Pro-Mormon.

And for the record, the version I had obtained (after a search curious about availability) was downloaded not from any antagonistic owned or operated website, but from a third party public archival site the Church itself uses for many of its historical documents . Whether or not the individuals were initially paid to obtain the material or not, at least from this source, there is no further monetary compensation occurring.

This is the nuance I'm talking about. I understand the act of recording, 'revealing', and distributing the material for antagonistic purposes is clearly not good, and significantly more so for those who have made explicit covenants not to do so. My key question was in reference to current Temple Recommend holding individuals who have had an authorized and legitimate Temple Experience reviewing a recording of that experience, with the assumption that they are not further paying the surreptitious provider, so to say.

I acknowledge my tone in the former post was an overreaction, and do apologize for that. I hope it's clearer why I did take exception to a recording of a sacred experience being reviewed by someone who has participated in (and is presently authorized to continue to participate in) that exact sacred experience being compared with Porn.

[Tacenda]

Then that's what they should say.

Again, the scriptures seem to be more focused on how we dress from a perspective of greed and pride, not modesty and appearance. It's really weird that we hear so much about not wearing tank tops or having double piercings, and so little about wearing expensive clothes or expensive jewelry.

We don't want to look like trailer trash, they're evil. (I can say this because I had to live in one for a few years with 4 young children) Edited August 17, 2013 by Tacenda

[canard78]

Cinepro and David T.

Very funny.