bluebell Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 Not to take away from Sister Stevens, she's a lovely dedicated servant of the Lord,but they gave into an itty bitty minority group of whiners. I have a big problem with whining women. It won’t be enough ya know, they’ll just keep on whining.If its right, it doesn't matter that the result will make some "whiney women" happy. 1
CASteinman Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 I missed the opening prayer because I was rigging up an old walkman device so that I could listen to conference on the radio while pruning. But then got to hear the closing prayer, did you see how early conference ended? They must have wanted to leave her plenty of time. I got real emotional unexpectedly because I didn't think I cared about it, no nig deal, but feel the reason for it is that my well has been so empty and was filled somehow and don't know why it meant so much, but feel our leaders do care and are listening.Oh, I am happy for you!But I feel odd. I feel I am completely out of touch. I would never have imagined it would be that big a deal. Sometimes I frustrate myself. I'm gonna talk this over with my wife and daughters to see what they felt. But here is my guess: "That was cool! .... So...whats for lunch?".
CASteinman Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 Not I. In fact, I hate praying in church. I'm terribly self-conscious because I feel like I'm in this awkward position of making small talk with an intimate friend and worse yet, doing so on a stage. It's hard to describe but it feels like play acting and I suck at small talk.That makes sense. I am kinda the same way except I try to forget myself.
Scott Lloyd Posted April 6, 2013 Author Posted April 6, 2013 Good to know I'm not the only one who noticed this phenomenon. "In the name of our Savior, our Lord and Redeemer, the Lamb of God ......." Why don't they sing the Messiah? Public prayer as performance art has been with us for generations. I'm hoping we are trending away from it somewhat. 1
CASteinman Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 If its right, it doesn't matter that the result will make some "whiney women" happy.You are right! And if its only notable effect was to make 'whiney women" happy, that alone might be a good reason. It wouldn't be bad in my book. 1
bluebell Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 Not I. In fact, I hate praying in church. I'm terribly self-conscious because I feel like I'm in this awkward position of making small talk with an intimate friend and worse yet, doing so on a stage. It's hard to describe but it feels like play acting and I suck at small talk.I agree, I really don't like praying in church. And from the silent reaction whenever a teacher asks for volunteers to give the closing prayer after a lesson, I think most members feel the same way. 3
Scott Lloyd Posted April 6, 2013 Author Posted April 6, 2013 Reading these comments -- I get the impression that these prayers are from people who felt it was a great honor or something to give a prayer in Church. Or perhaps they needed to satisfy their pride and grant everyone the spiritual experience of praying with them at length.I don't notice these things so much, but once in a while...I am curious -- how many people here view giving an opening or closing prayer as some sort of honor or distinction or something like that?If I had to draw a distinction, I would say there is greater stature in giving one of the sermons at conference -- which women have been doing for generations. 2
Peppermint Patty Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 You are right! And if its only notable effect was to make 'whiney women" happy, that alone might be a good reason. It wouldn't be bad in my book.Just to be fair, behind every "whiney woman" you can usually find a "whiney man". 3
Shanky82 Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 You know what's hilarious about this "historic moment" is that I wonder how many members of the Church even noticed or eveen cared? So while the progressive feminists in the Church are all giddy and celebrating this "historic moment" most member either didn't notice or just shrugged their shoulders. By the way, where was I during this "historic" GC? I was in the Austin bldg at BYUI working on my CAD dwgs for advanced CAD which are due next week. I am woefully behind but hopeful I can get them done. Also, no one else working on their projects in the lab knew anything about "let womem pray." 1
Saints Alive Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 (edited) I wonder how many average members even realized that it was the first time a women has given a prayer in conference.Edit: darn! Shanky82 beat me to it! Edited April 6, 2013 by Saints Alive
Shanky82 Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 I wonder how many average members even realized that it was the first time a women has given a prayer in conference.Edit: darn! Shanky82 beat me to it!I'm just laughing that only progressive feminists are the ones celebrating this. I also wonder if this is going to be included as any part of Church History. If years down the road anyone is going to be mentioning this.
Scott Lloyd Posted April 6, 2013 Author Posted April 6, 2013 I'm just laughing that only progressive feminists are the ones celebrating this. I also wonder if this is going to be included as any part of Church History. If years down the road anyone is going to be mentioning this.Who here could pinpoint the date when a woman first gave a sermon in conference? Not I.
Mark Beesley Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 Sister Jean Stevens, first counselor in the Primary general presidency, is the first woman ever to give a prayer in general conference.Not really. Women have been praying in General Conference for as long as husbands have been giving sermons . . . :-) 4
why me Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 You know what's hilarious about this "historic moment" is that I wonder how many members of the Church even noticed or eveen cared? So while the progressive feminists in the Church are all giddy and celebrating this "historic moment" most member either didn't notice or just shrugged their shoulders. This is true. Not many took notice that it has been only men. And when a woman said it, it just seemed so natural that very few knew that it was a first. 1
Calm Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 With all the build-up, I wanted to be the first here to take cognizance of it.Spoken like a reporter.
Scott Lloyd Posted April 6, 2013 Author Posted April 6, 2013 Not to take away from Sister Stevens, she's a lovely dedicated servant of the Lord,but they gave into an itty bitty minority group of whiners. I have a big problem with whining women. It won’t be enough ya know, they’ll just keep on whining.Word I get is that the whiners had little or nothing to do with it. That it was in the plans before the whiners got hold of it and started running with it. 1
why me Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 It was a nice prayer but she was very nervous. I could hear it in her voice. She knew that it was a special happening.
Shanky82 Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 Who here could pinpoint the date when a woman first gave a sermon in conference? Not I.Of course, the liberal progressive feminists in the Church are not placated by this. On to the next trivial thing we can make an issue out of. Strain at a gnat and swallow a camel...
Popular Post Calm Posted April 6, 2013 Popular Post Posted April 6, 2013 It took me a while to figure out why *some* women wanted this so bad. I think its all about Priesthood. I think it is more about visibility. Women leaders being seen more, being more of a visible presence both to outsiders and as rolemodels for women in the Church, especially the youth. People want to be able to relate to their leaders, not all women relate well to men. 5
CASteinman Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 If I had to draw a distinction, I would say there is greater stature in giving one of the sermons at conference -- which women have been doing for generations.Thats how I felt too. Thanks for your comment.
Calm Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 Word I get is that the whiners had little or nothing to do with it. That it was in the plans before the whiners got hold of it and started running with it.This would not surprise me in the least. This has long been on lists of individuals (nonagitators as well as agitators) of things that could easily be done to increase the presence of women leaders in the Church.I am thinking it was not announced that they were already going to do it at the time the "Let Women Pray" came up so as to not have them move on to another project quickly. (I mentioned this as a possible response back when the church's response to "Let Women Pray" came out)
Calm Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 Of course, the liberal progressive feminists in the Church are not placated by this. On to the next trivial thing we can make an issue out of. Strain at a gnat and swallow a camel...Actually the focusing on trivial things is a very intelligent way of moving forward, it is a psychological technique called "shaping" of behaviour. One doesn't try to change the individual's behavior all at once, but rather in small ways get closer and closer to it over time. Much easier to accomplish than pushing for a massive change overnight. 4
CASteinman Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 It was a nice prayer but she was very nervous. I could hear it in her voice. She knew that it was a special happening.You know.. it might be -- maybe, a bit like when you are actually in the presence of the Tabernacle Choir. I do not really enjoy their music when I am listening on radio or TV, but in the Tabernacle... it is very very moving.Maybe when you get up on that stand in that big building to pray... maybe it hits you differently.
Calm Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 I have a big problem with whining women. Me too. The only thing worse than a whining woman is a whining man. 1
CASteinman Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 I think it is more about visibility. Women leaders being seen more, being more of a visible presence both to outsiders and as rolemodels for women in the Church, especially the youth. People want to be able to relate to their leaders, not all women relate well to men.OK... I can see that. Thanks for your comment.
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