Mormon Feminism. What Is It All About?

[why me]

http://feministmormo...ormon-feminism/

Cal, BD and WhyMe here is a podcast that might put it all in perspective! There is a gentlemen on here that says he is a feminist, would that be similar to a male social feminist WhyMe?

Not exactly. None of them on the podcast would consider themselves a socialist feminist. But to comment on the podcast where many are commenting on women and the priesthood and equality. If we take this far down this road, we can say that radical mormon feminists wish to change the very structure of the lds church. Lets say that women receive the priesthood. Relief society would need to be abolished because there would be no point in it. All would be in an elder's quorum. Also, there can be no young women's and young men's organization because all would need to be together. Also, visiting teaching would need to be abolished because all would need to be home teachers. So, women's organizations would need to fall by the wayside. Also, women would need to be open to accept the calling of bishop and donate much time away from their children. Likewise for other time consuming callings. Children should not be acceptable reason to decline such a calling. The maternal instinct would need to be put to the curb.

But the church would need to be radically transformed and much would have to go. And this is the goal of those mormon feminists who have left the church: to radically transform the foundation of the lds church and make it into a church without revelation but to make it conform to the secular world around it.

Edited January 24, 2013 by why me

[Tacenda]

Not exactly. None of them on the podcast would consider themselves a socialist feminist. But to comment on the podcast where many are commenting on women and the priesthood and equality. If we take this far down this road, we can say that radical mormon feminists wish to change the very structure of the lds church. Lets say that women receive the priesthood. Relief society would need to be abolished because there would be no point in it. All would be in an elder's quorum. Also, there can be no young women's and young men's organization because all would need to be together. Also, visiting teaching would need to be abolished because all would need to be home teachers. So, women's organizations would need to fall by the wayside. Also, women would need to be open to accept the calling of bishop and donate much time away from their children. Likewise for other time consuming callings. Children should not be acceptable reason to decline such a calling. The maternal instinct would need to be put to the curb.

But the church would need to be radically transformed and much would have to go. And this is the goal of those mormon feminists who have left the church: to radically transform the foundation of the lds church and make it into a church without revelation but to make it conform to the secular world around it.

Or possibly one like the CoC? Where some women are ministers some not and so forth. Does the CoC also allow Gay marriage? That could also be an intention. I'm on the fence on some of it. Can't imagine the women really want to do as the men have, per say. Just think a great start would be to have the RS put back to what it once was, their own entity. But see the need now (listened to a podcast) for correlation because we're a world wide church. There is much more control and that probably was what was needed to curb more break off churches.

[why me]

Or possibly one like the CoC? Where some women are ministers some not and so forth. Does the CoC also allow Gay marriage? That could also be an intention. I'm on the fence on some of it. Can't imagine the women really want to do as the men have, per say. Just think a great start would be to have the RS put back to what it once was, their own entity. But see the need now (listened to a podcast) for correlation because we're a world wide church. There is much more control and that probably was what was needed to curb more break off churches.

Listening to the podcast there was one woman who related her experience as a young girl watching the young boys passing the sacrament and feeling that she should have the right to do it too. What she overlooked is that these boys have no choice. They can not opt out of the priesthood. It comes to them at a certain age. And it is certainly nothing to be envious about. These poor boys will have tremendous responsibility because of this priesthood. And I am sure that some boys are jealous of the girls because they do not have to worry about this or have less responsibility.

The fact is that we cannot have everything in life. I cannot have children because I am a man. Is life unfair because of it? Sure. But boys and girls are different...men and women are different. We just need to accept we are different and take it from there when it comes to equality.

We also need to consider if the church's attitude toward gender roles are such a bad thing for our society. And where feminism has been victorious, if our society has not suffered from the confusion between gender roles. And since women and men are physically different, how best to establish equality between the genders and what exactly does that mean in practice.

Edited January 24, 2013 by why me

[wolfcall]

http://fox13now.com/2013/01/17/campaign-calls-for-lds-church-to-let-women-pray/

someone said they hadnt seen any of it for a while now so i thought i would give an update for the issue to get some more ideas

[yootaw]

Listening to the podcast there was one woman who related her experience as a young girl watching the young boys passing the sacrament and feeling that she should have the right to do it too. What she overlooked is that these boys have no choice. They can not opt out of the priesthood. It comes to them at a certain age. And it is certainly nothing to be envious about. These poor boys will have tremendous responsibility because of this priesthood. And I am sure that some boys are jealous of the girls because they do not have to worry about this or have less responsibility.

Can you elaborate on this point? My understanding is that boys can opt out of the priesthood. What do you mean when you say that they can't, and that it comes to them at a certain age? Also, I think that it is the rare boy that doesn't look forward to being able to pass the sacrament. Even my painfully shy son who admits that thinking about passing the sacrament makes him nervous wants to pass the sacrament.

[why me]

My understanding is that boys can opt out of the priesthood. What do you mean when you say that they can't, and that it comes to them at a certain age?

Of course, technically they can opt out. But how many choose to do so who come from active parents? Not many. They are groomed for the priesthood from an early age. And it does come to them at a certain age: deacon, teacher and priest. And it would need to be the same for girls. They would also need to be groomed for the priesthood from an early age if girls could hold the priesthood. The whole organization would need to be changed. No more relief society or no more segregation of the sexes during meetings.

Outsiders have no idea how the lds church is organized. They have no idea that boys get the priesthood. If Mormon feminists who call for women receiving the priesthood were honest, they would change the wording and say: young girls should hold the priesthood.

[why me]

http://fox13now.com/...let-women-pray/

someone said they hadnt seen any of it for a while now so i thought i would give an update for the issue to get some more ideas

And if you look at the comment section, it is already causing divisions in the church. The NT admonition of being of one mind is now being ignored. The point behind the pants day was publicity. Women have been wearing pants for a long time to church, if they so wished. So, the campaign was a gimmick to get press attention. We saw the beginnings of this when a website announced that one of its board members was being taken to a church court because he or the site was critical of Romney That also got national attention. In both cases, the public was misled.

Certain segments of the lds and exlds population are attempting to pressure the church to change and they are using the media to do so.

[why me]

I have no dog in this fight. But I do know how activism works because I have been an activist for years. I am also a guy who can wear a pair of jeans and a flannel shirt to church. But I know exactly what the radical fringe of this movement is attempting to do: to sow discord in the lds church. And by doing so, destroy the sisterhood and brotherhood of the members. It has nothing to do with the causes they are now advocating but how they are attempting to get these causes across. Many of the activists have no love for the lds church. What is unfortunate is that there are genuine members involved in the cause who are being misled by the radical fringe. It will be interesting to see just how all this will play out.

Edited out Political Comments.

Edited January 25, 2013 by Nemesis
Nemesis edited this.

[teddyaware]

I have no dog in this fight. But I do know how activism works because I have been an activist for years. I am also a guy who can wear a pair of jeans and a flannel shirt to church. But I know exactly what the radical fringe of this movement is attempting to do: to sow discord in the lds church. And by doing so, destroy the sisterhood and brotherhood of the members. It has nothing to do with the causes they are now advocating but how they are attempting to get these causes across. Many of the activists have no love for the lds church. What is unfortunate is that there are genuine members involved in the cause who are being misled by the radical fringe. It will be interesting to see just how all this will play out.

Edited out Political Comments.

Excellent analysis! I wonder if it's acceptable on this board to have you private message me the parts of this post that were removed? If so, I'd very much like to see what else was said -- especialy if the deleted portion is just as cogent as what was allowed to remain. I'd keep what you said in strict confidence...

Edited January 26, 2013 by teddyaware

[changed]

http://fox13now.com/...let-women-pray/

from the link:

The LDS Church sent a statement Wednesday in response to the campaign. It reads:

“Decisions on speakers and prayers at General Conference were made several weeks ago and assignments were given to the men and women involved last week. Customarily, details of the conference programs are not announced until General Conference.”

In other words, your petition was started too late - all prayer and speaking assignments were given long before you started your petition, and so nothing at the upcoming conference has been influenced in any way by anything you are trying to do...

quite a nice and tidy way to handle it, so even if we are blessed by seeing a female give a prayer, we will know it had nothing to do with the petitions that have started circulating.

[Calm]

In other words, your petition was started too late - all prayer and speaking assignments were given long before you started your petition, and so nothing at the upcoming conference has been influenced in any way by anything you are trying to do...

quite a nice and tidy way to handle it, so even if we are blessed by seeing a female give a prayer, we will know it had nothing to do with the petitions that have started circulating.

It is three months in advance, regular church meetings can grab someone to pray moments before they are needed. Depending on how technically difficult it is to put a name up on the screen, last minute changes aren't likely to appear to be too difficult to occur, let alone three months in advance. I highly doubt unless they produce a list that has a female listed as praying that can be proved to be written prior to the petition that it will be believed by many outsiders especially since they could have immediately deflated the situation by putting up the evidence of a previously chosen woman. Edited January 26, 2013 by calmoriah

[Tacenda]

This is a short youtube made to counter Sis. Elaine Dalton's one comment about fighting for women's rights. I don't like how they darkened the background while she was speaking. I listened all the way through the talk that she gave at BYU and the comment she made was just a sliver to the rest of her talk. Some of what she spoke on was centered on chastity and being strong and not to listen to the adversary, also stand up for your faith and the faith of your parents as the 2000 Stripling Warriors did. All in all a good talk. But this snippet of a Youtube, spoke to me also.