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Are you concerned that the latter-day Endowment is different to the ancient use of temples? i.e. do you feel that the difference is undermining credibility in the current one?

Or is it simply to see where the similarities are?

I was wondering if this "wearing of the white garments in the temple" has a scriptural foundation or

did the tradition develop by viewing the practices of other religions?

Thanks,

Jim

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Edited as there were many answers already, no need for mine as well. :)

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I was wondering if this "wearing of the white garments in the temple" has a scriptural foundation or

did the tradition develop by viewing the practices of other religions?

Thanks,

Jim

Interesting question. Certainly the concept of white as a symbol of purity/holiness exists in the scriptures (though your sins be as scarlet they shall be as white as snow).

I don't know when white clothing became a requirement in the latter-day temple. A symbol is only as good as the environment it's used in. So yes, I'd imagine some of the symbols in the temple were based on culture.

Mine is all speculation, so not a very helpful answer :) Maybe one of the historians could help us. You might need to start a new thread asking it as it might not be noticed burried down here.

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I was wondering if this "wearing of the white garments in the temple" has a scriptural foundation or

did the tradition develop by viewing the practices of other religions?

Thanks,

Jim

Yes, it looks like you are asking questions with no interest in the answers.

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Interesting question. Certainly the concept of white as a symbol of purity/holiness exists in the scriptures (though your sins be as scarlet they shall be as white as snow).

I don't know when white clothing became a requirement in the latter-day temple. A symbol is only as good as the environment it's used in. So yes, I'd imagine some of the symbols in the temple were based on culture.

Mine is all speculation, so not a very helpful answer :) Maybe one of the historians could help us. You might need to start a new thread asking it as it might not be noticed burried down here.

One interesting thing I learned is that wearing white in the middle east is symbolic of victory, not just of purity or cleanness. This means that Christ wears white because of His victory over death and sin.

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To Kenngo1969 and Hamba Tuhan-Read Elder John H. Groberg's new book about the Temple where he talks about reality and the Temple. He also gave a talk at BYUI that catches a glimpse of what he talks about there

http://www2.byui.edu..._15_Groberg.htm

Duncan, thanks for that. It was awesome! :)

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Absolutely! In fact, if one reads Elder Groberg's talk, that's precisely why the temple exists and the most beneficial way to approach it. My personal testimony of this began as a child. My parents rarely made it to the temple because it was far away and very expensive for them, but, when they did and then came back, they came home as much-improved versions of themselves: more loving, more patient, more kind, more gentle. I can remember wishing that they could visit more often!

It's funny you should say that. I remember walking into the temple proper for the first time and saying to myself -- despite everything that was new and different -- 'I'm home!' And that's precisely how I felt.

Here's the "money-quote" from Elder Groberg's talk that Duncan linked to (Thanks again, Duncan. :)):

I have heard people say when they leave the temple, “Oh, it is so hard to leave the beautiful atmosphere of the temple and go back into the real world.” I understand how they feel and I have felt that way myself sometimes. However, I have learned that the temple is the real world because what we learn and do there lasts forever. It is the world we go out into that is unreal because it doesn’t last forever.

It reminds me, too, of what Alma says regarding faith, and light, and reality. He talks about testing a proposition based on faith, and how we know what is true and good because of how our souls react to it. In Alma 32:28, he says:

28 Now, we will compare the word unto a seed. Now, if ye give place, that a bseed may be planted in your heart, behold, if it be a true seed, or a good seed, if ye do not cast it out by your unbelief, that ye will resist the Spirit of the Lord, behold, it will begin to swell within your breasts; and when you feel these swelling motions, ye will begin to say within yourselves—It must needs be that this is a good seed, or that the word is good, for it beginneth to enlarge my soul; yea, it beginneth to enlighten my understanding, yea, it beginneth to be delicious to me.

Then, in verse 30, he says:

30 But behold, as the seed swelleth, and sprouteth, and beginneth to grow, then you must needs say that the seed is good; for behold it swelleth, and sprouteth, and beginneth to grow. And now, behold, will not this strengthen your faith? Yea, it will strengthen your faith: for ye will say I know that this is a good seed; for behold it sprouteth and beginneth to grow.

Then, finally, in the first part of verse 35, he says:

35 O then, is not this real? I say unto you, Yea, because it is light and whatsoever is light, is good, because it is discernible, therefore ye must know that it is good …

And the Light helps us know what is real. What other place is there on earth which helps us discern what is real (what is good, what is eternal, in Elder Groberg's word) better than the Temple? :)

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Here's the "money-quote" from Elder Groberg's talk that Duncan linked to (Thanks again, Duncan. :)):

It reminds me, too, of what Alma says regarding faith, and light, and reality. He talks about testing a proposition based on faith, and how we know what is true and good because of how our souls react to it. In Alma 32:28, he says:

Then, in verse 30, he says:

Then, finally, in the first part of verse 35, he says:

And the Light helps us know what is real. What other place is there on earth which helps us discern what is real (what is good, what is eternal, in Elder Groberg's word) better than the Temple? :)

no problemo! Glad you enjoyed it!

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Actually, I named the two films according to how their opening sequences went. One has asteroids sitting in the dark to start with, and I called that one Star Wars, because of the asteroid field that the Millenial Falcon had to go through in The Empire Strikes Back. The other one started with a sequence involving planetary flybys -- and I called that one Star Trek because ST:TNG had planetary flybys as part of its opening sequence.

That doesn't make much sense, because then it was the "Star Trek" Temple movie that go the "Special Edition" (with the actor replacement). ;)

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That doesn't make much sense, because then it was the "Star Trek" Temple movie that go the "Special Edition" (with the actor replacement). ;)

I think I'm loosing track of the metaphors.

Given we're talking about the temple video that's probably not surprising

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