ERayR Posted October 30, 2012 Posted October 30, 2012 I grew up with Hurricanes and never evacuated even when orders were given, I wouldn't be so foolish to sit on the beach during a hurricane, but I like to think I am wise enough to recognize hype when I see it.I am fascinated by the power of nature. I love to watch a lightning storm. I used to live in Laramie Wy and some rather powerful storms would come across the valley and when they bumped up against the mountains on the east side the thunder and lightning storms would be tremendous. I used to sit in my living room with the lights out and the drapes open and watch natures fireworks.
tyler90az Posted October 30, 2012 Posted October 30, 2012 The good news is that David was right. The bad news is that he is more than likely 1 of the 5 million without power.
Garden Girl Posted October 30, 2012 Posted October 30, 2012 I am fascinated by the power of nature. I love to watch a lightning storm. I used to live in Laramie Wy and some rather powerful storms would come across the valley and when they bumped up against the mountains on the east side the thunder and lightning storms would be tremendous. I used to sit in my living room with the lights out and the drapes open and watch natures fireworks.Here on the Oregon Coast, when we get our heaviest storms with "high winds" (usually 65 - 75 mph) it is not unusual for the hotels/motels to fill to capacity as whole families from "the valley" come over to watch the show... the power of the sea can be spectacular with our 20-30+ foot waves depending on the reefs... the Nelscott reef is famous for its Big Wave Surfing championhip every year, usually in Nov/Dec. (with waves up to 40'). The word goes out to surfers around the world and they have 48 hours to get here to compete, coming from as far away as Japan, Australia, etc. Anyway, if this were the eastern coast we'd have numerous storms classed as hurricanes based on wind speeds/rains. Every now and then we get the high winds of 100 mph gusts. I don't know why we aren't classed as hurricanes, but simply "high winds."GG
thesometimesaint Posted October 30, 2012 Posted October 30, 2012 I grew up with Hurricanes and never evacuated even when orders were given, I wouldn't be so foolish to sit on the beach during a hurricane, but I like to think I am wise enough to recognize hype when I see it.Alabama from 1964 to 1968. Mississippi in 1971.Hurricane Camile came up the Gulf of Mexico, and was still killing people in Virginia before it rolled out to sea.
thesometimesaint Posted October 30, 2012 Posted October 30, 2012 GG:It's the water combined with the cyclonic winds that makes hurricanes. We get the Santa Anna winds some have been clocked at better than 100 mph, but they are dry winds.
Somebodyz Posted October 30, 2012 Posted October 30, 2012 33 dead in the states, hoping that number does not rise. Sorry to see all the destruction and loss you all are going through, can't imagine how awful that is to deal with.We heard others were hit even harder and lost 66 people in the Caribbean islands, including 51 in Haiti.Praying for all.
ERayR Posted October 30, 2012 Posted October 30, 2012 Here on the Oregon Coast, when we get our heaviest storms with "high winds" (usually 65 - 75 mph) it is not unusual for the hotels/motels to fill to capacity as whole families from "the valley" come over to watch the show... the power of the sea can be spectacular with our 20-30+ foot waves depending on the reefs... the Nelscott reef is famous for its Big Wave Surfing championhip every year, usually in Nov/Dec. (with waves up to 40'). The word goes out to surfers around the world and they have 48 hours to get here to compete, coming from as far away as Japan, Australia, etc.Anyway, if this were the eastern coast we'd have numerous storms classed as hurricanes based on wind speeds/rains. Every now and then we get the high winds of 100 mph gusts. I don't know why we aren't classed as hurricanes, but simply "high winds."GGHurricanes only happen on the Atlantic side. I would love to watch the storm waves.
Tacenda Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 33 dead in the states, hoping that number does not rise. Sorry to see all the destruction and loss you all are going through, can't imagine how awful that is to deal with.We heard others were hit even harder and lost 66 people in the Caribbean islands, including 51 in Haiti.Praying for all.I'm afraid the death toll has risen quite a bit since this post. I didn't even experience Sandy and feel like I'm seeing everything with new eyes...especially after watching the national news weatherman say that these kinds of storms are hitting annually where before it was several years in between and that the climate is defintely changing. For the first time ever, I think the time may be near for the end and I hate when people talk that way. I pray we all show humanity and show that we're a God like people and care for one another by helping in any way we can those that are suffering.
Zakuska Posted October 31, 2012 Author Posted October 31, 2012 33 dead in the states, hoping that number does not rise. Sorry to see all the destruction and loss you all are going through, can't imagine how awful that is to deal with.We heard others were hit even harder and lost 66 people in the Caribbean islands, including 51 in Haiti.Praying for all.Death toll has been upgrade to 50+
Calm Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 For those interested: http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/hurricane-sandy-local-mormons-assist
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 There is no connection between the weather and earthquakes.There is between earthquakes and floods.
Zakuska Posted October 31, 2012 Author Posted October 31, 2012 There is between earthquakes and floods.And Nuclear blasts and earthquakes.Death toll 65+
Garden Girl Posted November 2, 2012 Posted November 2, 2012 GG:It's the water combined with the cyclonic winds that makes hurricanes. We get the Santa Anna winds some have been clocked at better than 100 mph, but they are dry winds.Oh yes... growing up in San Bernardino I do remember the Santa Anas...GG
cdowis Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 There is no connection between the weather and earthquakes.Uhhh... the connection is called a "major volcano". Throw in floods, and you have the destruction described in Third Nephi.
thesometimesaint Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 http://www.almanac.com/blog/weather-blog/earthquakes-and-weather
Freedom Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 The prophesy was never canonized so I don't think we need to look for its fulfillment. Also, as I understand it, the prophesy was written down by an observer and not by the person giving or confirming the prophesy. On another note, the City of Vancouver was hit by a storm last week that lasted for 4 days. We received more rain in the first 8 hours than the east coast experienced during the entire duration of the storm. The difference is we are equipped to handle the water. I don't want to get political, but the cost of one aircraft carrier would have covered the cost and then some to have prevented any deaths on the east coast. It is a matter of prioritizing spending on what is most urgent. I am not saying military spending is to blame, but there is no political advantage to spending billions on preventative maintenance.
thesometimesaint Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 All we really do know is that weeather is going to happen. What we do about it is another question.
Garden Girl Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 I think it is just a lot of hype about Sandy.A large storm does not equal a powerful storm.And how do you feel about Sandy now, DavidB?
thesometimesaint Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 GG:Sandy wasn't a particularly powerful storm. The same storm in Florida wouldn't have created so much damage. Kinda like a catagory 4 earthquake here. We'd feel it, but because of modern building codes little to no damage would be done.
Garden Girl Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 Hello TSS...I think the residents living in the affected areas would tend to quibble with you over "power." Are you saying the areas were not "up to code" and thus more vulnerable to damage vs Sandy's effect? I think the people standing there looking at their $1+ Million dollar homes laying in rubble would tend to disagree with you.And the boats and yachts tossed about like toothpicks a block from the ocean... etc etc etc...$30+ Billion in damage... GG
thesometimesaint Posted November 5, 2012 Posted November 5, 2012 GG:The problem is that those residences were up to code. A code designed for normal NY weather. Hurricanes are not normal weather for anyone let alone the New York, New Jersey area. The sad fact of life is that we're entering a "New Normal" of abnormal weather events. Either we build and rebuild accordingly or measure the cost in terms of destruction of property and loss of life.A catagory 1 storm isn't particularly powerful. Camile was a catagory 5. I don't ever want to think about the damage a Camile would do in New York. The power of storms is measured in wind speed scales, not the amount of water they contain. Nor are they measured by storm surge. The two main factors in the destruction wrought by Sandy.Our modern cities are still subject to severe weather. Putting the utilities underground helped for snow, but not so much for water as Sandy proved.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Blizzard_of_1888The question is how best to minimize the damage caused by extreme weather events. We WILL have more of them. The Netherlands have extensive experience in how to build works to help, California has extensive experience with new construction and retrofiting for earthquakes. Can you imagine a earthquake of an level 8 in New York? :mega_shok:
Garden Girl Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 California has extensive experience with new construction and retrofiting for earthquakes. Can you imagine a earthquake of an level 8 in New York? :mega_shok:I was living in San Fran Bay Area during the Quake of '89... I was home recuperating from surgery, and just going out to the garage with trash. As I walked outside the shaking started... and then increased in intensity so that it threw me to the ground. As I layed there on the sidewalk I looked across the way at parked cars being bounced off the ground 1+ feet. Inside my house I could hear the crashing of glass. Then the full power kicked in and for the next few secords it was incredible... and then, after only 15 seconds it was over. But in those 15 seconds... my workplace, the 6-floor library at San Fran State Univ, incurred extensive damage. I'm surprised somone wasn't killed... the stacks fell in a domino effect... books dumped out on the floor up to 3 feet. I returned to work about two weeks later... it took almost six months to get things completely back to normal operating procedures. We had to retrofit all the stacks according to code, etc. Of course the pictures of the Marina district, the bridges, etc. tell it all. I'll never forget it... I'm aware that wind-speed is the major factor in hurricanes but IMO, category 1 or not, that was a powerful storm.GG
thesometimesaint Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 GG:Now put that earthquake in New York, New Jersey. Yickes Wind speed is the ONLY factor in determining catagory. But like the earthquake catagory( are only a measure of earth movement) it says nothing about the resultant damage. Hurricanes are nothing to mess with. If asked to leave LEAVE. Things can be replaced people not so much.
california boy Posted November 6, 2012 Posted November 6, 2012 As I layed there on the sidewalk I looked across the way at parked cars being bounced off the ground 1+ feet. I am sorry, but you are loosing a lot of credibility with me by this claim. I was also in the bay area during the 89 earth quake. Never saw a car bounce an inch off the ground let alone 1+ feet. Never ever heard anyone else make such a claim either. I knew several people who were on the freeway driving. While they detected that something was wrong, not one of them reported their cars bouncing a foot in the air.
blackstrap Posted November 7, 2012 Posted November 7, 2012 The amount the ground moves has much to do with the makeup of the soil.
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