Shots fired on my campus today. Charlie Kirk TPUSA leader dead

[Calm]

24 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Can you share the quote from Kirk on the brain power stuff?  Not a CFR, I'd just like to have it.

There are two that are used the most from what I have seen, the second is the brain power or lack thereof one..

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If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action?

 

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If we would have said that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racists. Now they’re coming out and they’re saying it for us … You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.

I don’t know if the ellipsis leaves out anything.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk-quotes-beliefs#:~:text=If we would have said,go be taken somewhat seriously.

[bluebell]

9 minutes ago, ttribe said:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/charlie-kirk-black-women/

Thank you.  I very much disagree with his sentiment there.

[bluebell]

2 minutes ago, Calm said:

There are two that are used the most from what I have seen, the second is the brain power or lack thereof one..

 

I don’t know if the ellipsis leaves out anything.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk-quotes-beliefs#:~:text=If we would have said,go be taken somewhat seriously.

I watched him say them in a video clip and they don't appear to be leaving anything about.

[sunstoned]

7 hours ago, gopher said:

In a conversation last night with a mom of a student at UVU, she mentioned that the school is offering students the option to go home and continue classes online.  Her daughter wasn't at the event, but is still thinking of coming home. 

Maybe @sunstoned has more info?  Unless he's turned off from where his topic went and isn't visiting the site anymore.

The daughter's roommate was 15 feet from where it happened and is understandably still shook up.  That what makes this entire thing even more sick and depraved - the killer deliberately did this in front of a large group of people who now have to live the rest of their lives with that memory burned in the their minds.  He had to have thought this was a way to make even more people suffer than just Kirk's family and friends.

Yes, UVU has given professors the option to change the modality of their current courses to online up until Oct 1st.  This is intended to provide a smoother transition back to school.  It is up to each professor, but this is what I have done.  I can't bring myself to back on campus.  In fact I have resigned my poistion and will end my teaching career at the end of this semester.

[Duncan]

2 hours ago, ttribe said:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/charlie-kirk-black-women/

I don't have the brain power to think about Kirk criticizing Michelle Obama, who went to Princeton and Harvard Law and Ketanji Brown Jackson, who also got degrees from Harvard, like compared to these two women Kirk is white trash who can't function in society

[Raingirl]

37 minutes ago, sunstoned said:

Yes, UVU has given professors the option to change the modality of their current courses to online up until Oct 1st.  This is intended to provide a smoother transition back to school.  It is up to each professor, but this is what I have done.  I can't bring myself to back on campus.  In fact I have resigned my poistion and will end my teaching career at the end of this semester.

I wish I had adequate words of comfort.  Sending you a virtual hug. 

[Calm]

1 hour ago, sunstoned said:

Yes, UVU has given professors the option to change the modality of their current courses to online up until Oct 1st.  This is intended to provide a smoother transition back to school.  It is up to each professor, but this is what I have done.  I can't bring myself to back on campus.  In fact I have resigned my poistion and will end my teaching career at the end of this semester.

I understand, but it saddens me.

[longview]

1 hour ago, Duncan said:

I don't have the brain power to think about Kirk criticizing Michelle Obama, who went to Princeton and Harvard Law and Ketanji Brown Jackson, who also got degrees from Harvard, like compared to these two women

They were DEI every step of the way . . . their public pronouncements were very embarrassing . . .

[Tacenda]

3 minutes ago, longview said:

They were DEI every step of the way . . . their public pronouncements were very embarrassing . . .

no words

[Tacenda]

4 hours ago, JVW said:

Your conspiracy doesn't run deep enough if you think a rightist or leftist organization(s) are the ones engineering the division and downfall of America. The ones who want to see America fall do have two sides, but it's not left and right, it's: they are the masters, and we are the slaves.

EXACTLY

[Tacenda]

2 hours ago, sunstoned said:

Yes, UVU has given professors the option to change the modality of their current courses to online up until Oct 1st.  This is intended to provide a smoother transition back to school.  It is up to each professor, but this is what I have done.  I can't bring myself to back on campus.  In fact I have resigned my poistion and will end my teaching career at the end of this semester.

I'm so sorry sunstoned. It changed so many lives in many ways. 

[Duncan]

6 minutes ago, longview said:

They were DEI every step of the way . . . their public pronouncements were very embarrassing . . .

What year did you graduate from Harvard Law? Was Lisa Grow Sun, a white female member of the Church, also a "DEI"?

To jog your memory 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Grow_Sun

[longview]

12 hours ago, Duncan said:

What year did you graduate from Harvard Law?

Never as I only attended Utah State Univ and graduated with a degree in math and comp sci. What kind of point are you trying make?

12 hours ago, Duncan said:

Was Lisa Grow Sun, a white female member of the Church, also a "DEI"?

To jog your memory 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Grow_Sun

You have defeated your OWN argument. Since Lisa is white, she would have had to work hard along with other "normal" students. I would consider her to have the same caliber and quality as Dallin H Oaks. These days it seems female students are out-numbering male students (without needing DEI pass throughs).

Students enter the DEI lubricated path if they present sufficient "victim hood" status. 90% of universities and colleges have multiple aggressive DEI services and departments. Even east Asians have a tougher time gaining admission due to the glut of DEI enrollments. AOC is the poster child of DEI entitlements. She attended Columbia Univ majoring in economics but her "real world" understanding and wisdom of economics is abysmally shallow, having been heavily indoctrinated in communism and socialism and social justice lathered with a heavy dose of "hate America" propaganda.

It is frightful how the Biden administration were pushing DEI candidates into critical positions such as policing, fire fighting, air traffic controllers, etc. It is downright dangerous!

[Duncan]

24 minutes ago, longview said:

Never as I only attended Utah State Univ and graduated with a degree in math and comp sci. What kind of point are you trying make?

You have defeated your OWN argument. Since Lisa is white, she would have had to work hard along with other "normal" students. I would consider her to have the same caliber and quality as Dallin H Oaks. These days it seems female students are out-numbering male students (without needing DEI pass throughs).

Students enter the DEI lubricated path if they present sufficient "victim hood" status. 90% of universities and colleges have multiple aggressive DEI services and departments. Even east Asians have a tougher time gaining admission due to the glut of DEI enrollments. AOC is the poster child of DEI entitlements. She attended Columbia Univ majoring in economics but her "real world" understanding and wisdom of economics is abysmally shallow, having been heavily indoctrinated in communism and socialism and social justice lathered with a heavy dose of "hate America" propaganda.

It is frightful how the Biden administration were pushing DEI candidates into critical positions such as policing, fire fighting, air traffic controllers, etc. It is downright dangerous!

My point was you have no evidence, no direct knowledge that Obama and Jackson were DEI people. They got in on their own merit and graduated on their own merit and became something, like Lisa Grow Sun, on their intellect. You shouldn't be so jealous that these two black women are vastly smarter and more accomplished than you. You want to talk DEI? Literally everyone in your Dear Leader's team is DEI, even Trump. If Kash Patel, Linda McMahon, Pete Hegeseth et al were democrats you and your fellow white supremacists would be calling for their heads, their DEI heads.

[Tacenda]

I'm not sure this is going to go well, but I actually like some of this advice for dating people from Kirk. So hey, open mind, but it's like the poster in the LDS church for the youth back in the day, with the cockroach in the ice cream. 

See c/p at the bottom. 

The video below, I don't mind and actually like most of. 

And an article among many that show Kirk saying Simone is a sociopath, maybe he's immature or riding some wave of downing those on the left or liberals. I'm sure now he'd be saddened with his actions after seeing what Simone actually has been through. And BTW, if one today sees a video with Simone Biles saying something about Charlie and his death, it's probably AI. 

https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-brands-simone-biles-shame-country-after-olympics-exit-1613809

Edited September 19, 2025 by Tacenda

[Tacenda]

46 minutes ago, longview said:

Never as I only attended Utah State Univ and graduated with a degree in math and comp sci. What kind of point are you trying make?

You have defeated your OWN argument. Since Lisa is white, she would have had to work hard along with other "normal" students. I would consider her to have the same caliber and quality as Dallin H Oaks. These days it seems female students are out-numbering male students (without needing DEI pass throughs).

Students enter the DEI lubricated path if they present sufficient "victim hood" status. 90% of universities and colleges have multiple aggressive DEI services and departments. Even east Asians have a tougher time gaining admission due to the glut of DEI enrollments. AOC is the poster child of DEI entitlements. She attended Columbia Univ majoring in economics but her "real world" understanding and wisdom of economics is abysmally shallow, having been heavily indoctrinated in communism and socialism and social justice lathered with a heavy dose of "hate America" propaganda.

It is frightful how the Biden administration were pushing DEI candidates into critical positions such as policing, fire fighting, air traffic controllers, etc. It is downright dangerous!

Not at all if they were just as qualified. I think often these DEI's are fairer in the segments that are not allowing the equality. And after reading the below, it's making a world of color, instead black and white thinking. 

Benefits of DEI Hiring

• Enhanced Business Performance: 

  Studies show that companies with diverse leadership and teams are more likely to achieve higher financial returns and outperform their peers. 

   
• Boosted Innovation: 

  Diverse perspectives and experiences lead to more creative problem-solving and innovative ideas within teams. 

   
• Wider Talent Access: 

  Inclusive hiring practices tap into broader talent pools, accessing skilled candidates who might otherwise be excluded. 

   
• Improved Retention: 

  Employees are more likely to remain with a company where they feel valued, heard, and respected, contributing to lower turnover. 

   
• Stronger Employer Brand: 

  A commitment to DEI enhances an organization's reputation, making it a more attractive place to work. 

   
• Better Market Understanding: 

  A diverse workforce provides deeper insights into global markets and diverse customer bases. 

   

Addressing Misconceptions

• Meritocracy: 

  Opponents of DEI often claim it compromises meritocracy, but supporters argue that it actually challenges outdated power structures and broadens who is considered for positions based on merit. 

   
• Reverse Discrimination: 

  DEI is not about discrimination but rather about correcting historical inequities by opening doors for all qualified individuals to thrive and contribute their diverse skills and experiences. 

   
• Zero-Sum Game: 

  DEI is not a zero-sum game where benefits for some mean losses for others; rather, it creates a work environment where everyone can benefit from wider perspectives and improved collaboration. 

[ttribe]

1 hour ago, longview said:

It is frightful how the Biden administration were pushing DEI candidates into critical positions such as policing, fire fighting, air traffic controllers, etc. It is downright dangerous!

Naturally, you have zero evidence to suggest that these "DEI candidates" were any less qualified than anyone else. You've bought into the histrionics that support your jaundiced worldview.

[Calm]

4 hours ago, longview said:

You have defeated your OWN argument. Since Lisa is white, she would have had to work hard along with other "normal" students. I would consider her to have the same caliber and quality as Dallin H Oaks.

No, he hasn’t.  His argument is solid.  White women benefited the most from Affirmative Action as we were counted as a minority (and were back in college and higher paying jobs when I was going and still are among the top earners, I was one of four women in my year in Electrical Engineering in a class of well over 100, possibly over 200 iirc and hiring drives—it was the early 80s—for women were heavily slanted in my favour in the sense of if I was against a man of equal qualifications I would likely be picked in more companies than in the past, it’s not like bias against white women simply disappeared as it’s still there as demonstrated by the more negative judgments based on if someone is talking about a male or female in studies and women’s potentials are consistently judged as less than men’s).

And the same complaints about women not being as good or smart as the men they “stole” the job from aren’t that rare unfortunately.  And since you (Longview) don’t apparently don’t incorrectly assume benefitting from Affirmative Action as implying that white women are not as capable as the white men in their positions, maybe you could consider the same thing occurs for racial and ethnic women.  It’s about expanding the pool of qualified candidates.

https://educationdata.org/college-enrollment-statistics

https://cla.umn.edu/news-events/story/affirmative-action-reversal-understanding-history-and-implications#:~:text=One of the untold stories,and People of Color counterparts.

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One of the untold stories about affirmative action is the fact that white professional women have been the policy’s greatest beneficiary. In the legal profession, for example, in the late 1980s, 19 percent of attorneys were women, while by 2020, the number had risen to 37 percent. Certainly, white women lawyers continue to experience wage disparities, sexual harassment, and the difficulties of balancing work and family life, but they have made far greater inroads into the profession than their Black, Indigenous, and People of Color counterparts.

 

Edited September 19, 2025 by Calm

[bsjkki]

Charlie Kirk would have enjoyed the debate about affirmative action and DEI hiring practices. Both are discriminatory even if they have a ‘greater good’ philosophy around them. Discrimination based on race or gender is illegal. 
 

His quote referencing 4 specific black women was in the context of a recent Supreme Court decision. All four had made public statements stating affirmative action helped them. 

This is the court case. 
 

I talked with a hiring manager for a large chip manufacturer who hires engineers. They are given quotes. The quotas don’t match the demographics of the college graduates. He admitted he would hire engineers based on their sex and not hire better qualified candidates. 
 

The had the same ‘quota’ system is many industries and even pilot training programs. The office of civil rights is now investigating companies for violating the civil rights of applicant's. Under the current law, these practices are against the law. Harvard got in trouble due to their blatant discrimination against Asians. 
 

Please continue debating whether discrimination in hiring and admissions should continue. It definitely has its pros and cons. 
 

Maybe universities should be required to higher more conservatives? The stats are such that there seems to be blatant discrimination in university hiring practices due to political idealogy. 
 

He did face controversy at the time about the quote. (Some now only care because he’s dead. I still read this as people attempting to justify his murder in some way or an attempt to denigrate him in death. He has 1000’s of hours of video from the last 13 years. I would be be surprised if he didn’t say stupid stuff at times.) He addressed the controversy the next day. 

So, it is a debate to be had in our country whether DEI or affirmative action hiring practices should continue but at this time, they are clearly against current civil rights laws. 
 

His funeral is Sunday. His friends and family and a large portion of the country are in mourning. He was assassinated because instead of using words to debate him someone thought it better to silence him permanently and many cheered and seem to be take glee in his death. 

I am sad to say I find it very scary the number of people on the left who believe violence is justified. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 19, 2025 by bsjkki

[Duncan]

5 minutes ago, bsjkki said:

Charlie Kirk would have enjoyed the debate about affirmative action and DEI hiring practices. Both are discriminatory even if they have a ‘greater good’ philosophy around them. Discrimination based on race or gender is illegal. 
 

His quote referencing 4 specific black women was in the context of a recent Supreme Court decision. All four had made public statements stating affirmative action helped them. 

This is the court case. 
 

I talked with a hiring manager for a large chip manufacturer who hires engineers. They are given quotes. The quotas don’t match the demographics of the college graduates. He admitted he would hire engineers based on their sex and not hire better qualified candidates. 
 

The had the same ‘quota’ system is many industries and even pilot training programs. The office of civil rights is now investigating companies for violating the civil rights of applicant's. Under the current law, these practices are against the law. Harvard got in trouble due to their blatant discrimination against Asians. 
 

Please continue debating whether discrimination in hiring and admissions should continue. It definitely has its pros and cons. 
 

He did face controversy at the time about the quote. (Some now only care because he’s dead. I still read this as people attempting to justify his murder in some way or an attempt to denigrate him in death. He has 1000’s of hours of video from the last 13 years. I would be be surprised if he didn’t say stupid stuff at times.) He addressed the controversy the next day. 

So, it is a debate to be had in our country whether DEI or affirmative action hiring practices should continue but at this time, they are clearly against current civil rights laws. 
 

His funeral is Sunday. His friends and family and a large portion of the country are in mourning. He was assassinated because instead of using words to debate him someone thought it better to silence him permanently and many cheered and seem to be take glee in his death. 

I am sad to say I find it very scary the number of people on the left who believe violence is justified. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

Kirk's opinion is worthless. He couldn't make it in normal society so he grifted off of suckers who paid for his dog and pony show. I find it beyond disturbing the amount of people on the right committing the violence and the total disregard for the law and any regard for human decency.

Edited September 19, 2025 by Duncan

[bsjkki]

11 minutes ago, Duncan said:

Kirk's opinion is worthless. He couldn't make it in normal society so he grifted off of suckers who paid for his dog and pony show. I find it beyond disturbing the amount of people on the right committing the violence and the total disregard for the law and any regard for human decency.

Well, I think we both agree political violence is wrong. That’s great! 

[Calm]

32 minutes ago, bsjkki said:

He admitted he would hire engineers based on their sex and not hire better qualified candidates. 

Better qualified does not mean those hired aren’t fully qualified for the job.  I find it highly unfortunate that so many assume that AA causes incompetent individuals to be hired, one of the important issues it’s supposed to help overcome (not saying you do, just felt the need to add this bit as some present it that way).

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4554714/#:~:text=The studies identified gender bias,mitigate gender bias in hiring.

Edited September 19, 2025 by Calm

[ttribe]

10 minutes ago, bsjkki said:

I am sad to say I find it very scary the number of people on the left who believe violence is justified. 

That's strange. I keep finding violent threats online (especially on Twitter/X) coming exclusively from the MAGA crowd.

Just some quick examples:

 

[bsjkki]

22 minutes ago, ttribe said:

That's strange. I keep finding violent threats online (especially on Twitter/X) coming exclusively from the MAGA crowd.

Just some quick examples:

 

That’s why you have to rely on statistics. The crazies exist on the fringes. 

[Calm]

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That's strange. I keep finding violent threats online (especially on Twitter/X) coming exclusively from the MAGA crowd.…

Those are ugly no matter who it’s from (not claiming anyone here wouldn’t see it as ugly, just feel the need to express my revulsion right now).

I am talking about the posts, haven’t watched the video and making no comment about that.

Added:  That is really weird, there is no indication of a edit, but I could have sworn there was a post about shooting anyone who was for gun control or something (I didn’t linger over it if it was there so retention is poor).

The video I saw was Kirk’s advice on talking with a potential spouse before marriage, I thought his advice was excellent.  I am wondering if that was the intended link.

Edited September 19, 2025 by Calm