Shots fired on my campus today. Charlie Kirk TPUSA leader dead

[bluebell]

49 minutes ago, bsjkki said:

I’ve been watching libs cheer a murder and mourn a suspension. I hope I am wrong. The entertainment business is tough and people are fired all the time. Kimmel cheered the previous ‘cancellations.’ 
 

The hypocrisy is off the charts. 
 

Companies, as we’ve been lectured endlessly about, have the right to fire employees. I would not want a teacher in the classroom with my grandkids who cheered an assassination. 
 

Bondi was quick to clarify her ‘hate speech’ comments and was called out by the right. 
 

The whole framing of the post is from a certain viewpoint perspective. ‘All he said.. ‘ He lied about who killed Kirk to smear those in mourning and purposely spread a lie. 
 

Stephen Colbert was fired for losing millions each year. 
 

I don’t ever remember her being concerned when conservatives were systematically deplatformed  
under government pressure. 
 

Free speech does not mean you are free from consequences. Kimmel can speak freely but ABC does not need to give him a platform to do it. 

 

I think you have some relevant points.  I'm also glad Bondi clarified and that there were conservatives who called her out on her previous language.  If both sides get into the 'it's ok for us to do it because the other side did it to us', this country doesn't have many years left.

[bsjkki]

27 minutes ago, bluebell said:

I think you have some relevant points.  I'm also glad Bondi clarified and that there were conservatives who called her out on her previous language.  If both sides get into the 'it's ok for us to do it because the other side did it to us', this country doesn't have many years left.

Hate speech laws in other countries are scary. Who defines what it is? 
 

[longview]

30 minutes ago, bluebell said:

I think you have some relevant points.  I'm also glad Bondi clarified and that there were conservatives who called her out on her previous language.  If both sides get into the 'it's ok for us to do it because the other side did it to us', this country doesn't have many years left.

There is a difference but legal consequences are still on the table for making threats of violence.

Isn't it ironic that Antifa claim to be Anti-fascist but behave in a very thuggish manner? That BLM rioters can burn cities and destroy businesses with democrat municipalities soft pedaling on bringing the rioting under control.

When George Floyd expired due to clumsy police handling, cities burned. When Kirk was assassinated, conservatives and civil libertarians held prayer services and candle light vigils. They certainly are NOT the same.

This is why Trump was forced to call out the California national guard. He knew that Governor Newsom was willing to allow rioting against ICE as a desirable political statement. The Washington national guard is doing an awesome job for bringing much greater peace for the residents of the District of Columbia. The crime rate has plummeted!

[JVW]

Either side who is using this murder for political motives is cold and heartless. Trying to attribute the killer as far-right or far-left will ultimately have the same consequence. Whichever side he is grouped with (which, he should be grouped with the Ted Bundy side, not even on the political spectrum but on the sanity and violence section) that group will be demonized and vilified by their opposition, and if violence increases in the world, which it has, and surely will continue, people who are aligned with that ideology will become future targets for murder.

I think that is the problem inherent in Jimmy's situation. He has a wide reach, and his words could lead to an entire group of people being the target of violence because of how volatile and fresh the situation is. The shameful part of this situation is that it's not Kimmel's fault. He doesn't write his own jokes or speak his own opinion. I think the producer or parent company should be held liable instead of using Jimmy as a scapegoat.

As of right now, from what I understand, due to how quickly, sloppy, and slanted the reporting has been, people have reason to believe he is both far-right and far-left, depends on if what your personal views are or how much research your willing to do, or how much you believe what you read.

I enjoy exploring the conspiracy theory side of things, and there are already many conspiracy theories popping up around this. I am really interested in watching the court case unfold and the evidence presented. At this point in time I don't believe that the text exchange between him and his lover is real because of AI and how cleanly the text exchange covers the motive, weapon, location, etc. and the FBI has made no declaration about an ME report or even finding the bullet that was shot and tying it to the gun.

[JVW]

This morning I was talking to my wife about these verses in the Doctrine and Covenants. I even thought about starting a separate thread about it because stuff is getting really crazy out here in Utah. First there was the Charlie Kirk thing, then like the next day a bomb failed to explode that was planted on a news van. Then today this news article came out https://kslnewsradio.com/utah/2-young-girls-found-in-refrigerated-trailer-at-scene-of-lindon-accident-police-say/2246543/ . What the hell is happening to my little quiet corner of the world? I just want a quiet place to raise my kids in peace, is that too much to ask?

Doctrine and Covenants 112:23-26

Quote

 

Verily, verily, I say unto you, darkness covereth the earth, and gross darkness the minds of the people, and all flesh has become corrupt before my face. Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord.

And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord; First among those among you, saith the Lord, who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house, saith the Lord.

 

It feels like maybe that whirlwind beginning in God's house has started.

[JVW]

18 hours ago, blackstrap said:

If only they could have found all of the social media posts to and from him BEFORE the act. All they needed to do was monitor all social media all the time. I wonder if anyone is working on that currently ? Hmmm ...

Ever hear of the Patriot Act and Edward Snowden?

[bluebell]

32 minutes ago, bsjkki said:

Hate speech laws in other countries are scary. Who defines what it is? 
 

Usually, the people in power define it.  Which can turn very scary very fast!

[bsjkki]

 

[gopher]

In a conversation last night with a mom of a student at UVU, she mentioned that the school is offering students the option to go home and continue classes online.  Her daughter wasn't at the event, but is still thinking of coming home. 

Maybe @sunstoned has more info?  Unless he's turned off from where his topic went and isn't visiting the site anymore.

The daughter's roommate was 15 feet from where it happened and is understandably still shook up.  That what makes this entire thing even more sick and depraved - the killer deliberately did this in front of a large group of people who now have to live the rest of their lives with that memory burned in the their minds.  He had to have thought this was a way to make even more people suffer than just Kirk's family and friends.

[JVW]

Just now, gopher said:

In a conversation last night with a mom of a student at UVU, she mentioned that the school is offering students the option to go home and continue classes online.  Her daughter wasn't at the event, but is still thinking of coming home. 

Maybe @sunstoned has more info?  Unless he's turned off from where his topic went and isn't visiting the site anymore.

The daughter's roommate was 15 feet from where it happened and is understandably still shook up.  That what makes this entire thing even more sick and depraved - the killer deliberately did this in front of a large group of people who now have to live the rest of their lives with that memory burned in the their minds.  He had to have thought this was a way to make even more people suffer than just Kirk's family and friends.

Or he wasn't thinking and was just incredibly self-centered and consumed by hatred.

I have a friend who is a professor at UVU. I can ask him your question... But what exactly is your question? If UVU is offering temporary online only courses for the rest of the semester? How their online options are changing as a result of these events?

[gopher]

14 minutes ago, JVW said:

Or he wasn't thinking and was just incredibly self-centered and consumed by hatred.

I have a friend who is a professor at UVU. I can ask him your question... But what exactly is your question? If UVU is offering temporary online only courses for the rest of the semester? How their online options are changing as a result of these events?

yeah, I wasn't clear.  I was just curious for more information on what the school is doing for those students who don't want to return to campus, or don't feel they can focus on classes, etc.  I know it's a big school so it's probably impossible to accommodate everyone.  The mom didn't have many more details.

[juliann]

14 hours ago, Tacenda said:

The many firings of people for saying negative things about Charlie Kirk is getting scary. The latest is Jimmy Kimmel's firing. All he said was that the shooter (Robinson) could be a Trump supporter and Republican. Or I believe this is the exact quote, "The Maga Gang desperately trying to characterise this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it."The FCC, or Brandon Carr who was put in by Trump's admin went after ABC to fire Kimmel, same as what happened to Stephen Colbert. And Pam Bondi's going after those with hate speech and feels like that's just fine, my words. https://www.azcentral.com/story/entertainment/media/2025/07/29/brendan-carr-fcc-trump/85415115007/

It seems to me, Democracy is very close to vanishing.

 

It didn't vanish for the past ten years when conservatives were targeted. 

Isn't it time for all of it to just stop instead of digging in with the democracy is over everytime the person you don't like is elected? Seriously, this is soooooooo tiresome.  I've watched people fall apart after elections for most of my life and yet we are still here. 

 

[juliann]

2 hours ago, bsjkki said:

Hate speech laws in other countries are scary. Who defines what it is? 
 

Who has defined it since it was put into play here? 

[bsjkki]

I think they want more dead conservatives. The rhetoric is not changing.

 

[bluebell]

7 minutes ago, bsjkki said:

I think they want more dead conservatives. The rhetoric is not changing.

 

I agree that ramping up the rhetoric is only going to have negative consequences.  I think that some people just can't help themselves though.  They will cut off their noses to spite their faces, as long as they can claim the moral high ground while they are doing it.

[bsjkki]

1 hour ago, juliann said:

Who has defined it since it was put into play here? 

Things that have happened the last 10 years. 

 

[bsjkki]

I could continue but tried to focus on government pressure. Cancel culture is driven by ‘culture’ and private companies will flee speech that will harm them. What that is sways with public pressure. 

[Duncan]

10 minutes ago, bsjkki said:

I could continue but tried to focus on government pressure. Cancel culture is driven by ‘culture’ and private companies will flee speech that will harm them. What that is sways with public pressure. 

This is all nonsense of course, for one thing the Roseanne Show continued on for some years after she was fired. Tucker Carlson's thing never went off the air then unlike the right's taking down of Stephen Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel. "Christians' are being murdered for their views" Such as? If Charlie Kirk views was supported God, either the Maga cultists don't know God at all-which I firmly suspect is the case or if that is the mind of God then screw God and religion, who wants it? if heaven if filled with the Charlie Kirks of the world and his deluded followers, screw it, not in the slightest bit interested. Your people's hypocrisy is  seriously staggering. 

[JVW]

18 minutes ago, Duncan said:

If Charlie Kirk views was supported God, either the Maga cultists don't know God at all-which I firmly suspect is the case or if that is the mind of God then screw God and religion, who wants it? if heaven if filled with the Charlie Kirks of the world and his deluded followers, screw it, not in the slightest bit interested. Your people's hypocrisy is  seriously staggering. 

This is a really interesting perspective. When I see someone on TV a fun little metric I'll consider is whether or not I'd want that person as a neighbor. I wouldn't mind if Charlie was one of my neighbors. I don't think he'd commit any crimes or be a predator to my children. Him and his family would be fun to have over for dinner or to chat with when I randomly see him while cutting the grass, even though we have different opinions. And as an added bonus I don't think he'd be telling me I'm going to hell cause of the Galatians verse.

Be careful how you use that "cult" word. I don't think it means what you think it means. While there are many who behave as if they are in a cult, whether that's culturally, religiously, scientifically, or scholastically. I don't think any political movement could be reasonably defined as a cult. Would you describe the Bolsheviks as a cult? How about Antifa or BLM? How about the revolutionaries led by George Washington who opposed British rule? Rallying around common interests in the public sphere is by no means a bad thing, and shame on anyone who believes as much, left or right.

[Duncan]

3 minutes ago, JVW said:

This is a really interesting perspective. When I see someone on TV a fun little metric I'll consider is whether or not I'd want that person as a neighbor. I wouldn't mind if Charlie was one of my neighbors. I don't think he'd commit any crimes or be a predator to my children. Him and his family would be fun to have over for dinner or to chat with when I randomly see him while cutting the grass, even though we have different opinions. And as an added bonus I don't think he'd be telling me I'm going to hell cause of the Galatians verse.

Be careful how you use that "cult" word. I don't think it means what you think it means. While there are many who behave as if they are in a cult, whether that's culturally, religiously, scientifically, or scholastically. I don't think any political movement could be reasonably defined as a cult. Would you describe the Bolsheviks as a cult? How about Antifa or BLM? How about the revolutionaries led by George Washington who opposed British rule? Rallying around common interests in the public sphere is by no means a bad thing, and shame on anyone who believes as much, left or right.

That's not my point of view but I get what you are saying. I wouldn't want Charlie as a neighbor, I have a black friend and according to him she doesn't have 'brain processing power', even though she is more educated than Charlie was. So, forget him. 

if you don't know what cult means then maybe spare me? 

[bsjkki]

And this one. https://www.newsweek.com/fbi-colluded-twitter-suppress-free-speech-where-outrage-opinion-1768801

 

 

[Tacenda]

2 hours ago, juliann said:

It didn't vanish for the past ten years when conservatives were targeted. 

Isn't it time for all of it to just stop instead of digging in with the democracy is over everytime the person you don't like is elected? Seriously, this is soooooooo tiresome.  I've watched people fall apart after elections for most of my life and yet we are still here. 

 

Believe me, I'm surrounded by those that think the same as you juliann. My sisters, my friends, my neighbors. It might be what we watch, the countless social media posts, etc. I do like facts and try to find the real news. But I do find I'm wrong when I read the Snopes website and other fact checking places, when I think I'm right.

But, we all need to see something that just might be truth! The elite billionaire crowd, or those behind Project 2025 (white Nationalists) may just have planned this from years ago. They want the parties (us) to fight each other within, that's how they're going to get to us. We will fight, and then they will think a king is in order and bring on the troops and there goes the America our forefathers dreamed of and made happen, and our soldiers by the hundreds or thousands, died to keep.

Audios, Au revoir, Adiós, Sayonara, Arrivederci, Auf Wiedersehen, Zàijiàn, Chao, Ciao to the great US of A!

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/project-2025-would-destroy-the-u-s-system-of-checks-and-balances-and-create-an-imperial-presidency/

 

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39 minutes ago, Duncan said:

That's not my point of view but I get what you are saying. I wouldn't want Charlie as a neighbor, I have a black friend and according to him she doesn't have 'brain processing power', even though she is more educated than Charlie was. So, forget him. 

if you don't know what cult means then maybe spare me? 

Can you share the quote from Kirk on the brain power stuff?  Not a CFR, I'd just like to have it.

[ttribe]

19 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Can you share the quote from Kirk on the brain power stuff?  Not a CFR, I'd just like to have it.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/charlie-kirk-black-women/

[JVW]

47 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Believe me, I'm surrounded by those that think the same as you juliann. My sisters, my friends, my neighbors. It might be what we watch, the countless social media posts, etc. I do like facts and try to find the real news. But I do find I'm wrong when I read the Snopes website and other fact checking places, when I think I'm right.

But, we all need to see something that just might be truth! The elite billionaire crowd, or those behind Project 2025 (white Nationalists) may just have planned this from years ago. They want the parties (us) to fight each other within, that's how they're going to get to us. We will fight, and then they will think a king is in order and bring on the troops and there goes the America our forefathers dreamed of and made happen, and our soldiers by the hundreds or thousands, died to keep.

Audios, Au revoir, Adiós, Sayonara, Arrivederci, Auf Wiedersehen, Zàijiàn, Chao, Ciao to the great US of A!

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/project-2025-would-destroy-the-u-s-system-of-checks-and-balances-and-create-an-imperial-presidency/

 

Your conspiracy doesn't run deep enough if you think a rightist or leftist organization(s) are the ones engineering the division and downfall of America. The ones who want to see America fall do have two sides, but it's not left and right, it's: they are the masters, and we are the slaves.