White Smoke! And Traditional Catholics Are Worried.

[ZealouslyStriving]

 

 

[ZealouslyStriving]

It's a live stream.

[Chum]

"Pietro Parolin seems to be the favorite..."

The Measured Against Francis phase could be a tough go. 

[ZealouslyStriving]

American Robert Prevost.

Traditionalists beside themselves w/ shock and grief.

Edited May 8 by ZealouslyStriving

[ZealouslyStriving]

Name: Pope Leo XIV

Edited May 8 by ZealouslyStriving

[Chum]

10 hours ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

Name: Pope Leo XIV

I like his wiki pic. It looks like he has opinions about whoever is taking the photo. 

Edit: Wiki changed. Was this one: 

Edited May 9 by Chum

[Stargazer]

One knows one is getting OLD when the new Pope is younger than one.

 

[Chum]

5 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

One knows one is getting OLD when the new Pope is younger than one.

Well, Nelson takes that one off the table.

[halconero]

My prayers and well-wishes to our Catholic friends here on the board and elsewhere.

May Heavenly Father bless His Holiness in his ministry to his flock specifically and to humanity generally.

[Stargazer]

1 minute ago, Chum said:

Well, Nelson takes that one off the table.

That's kind of inevitable due to the age-limit for cardinals able to vote on who's going to be the new pope. Only cardinals who had not passed their 80th birthdays on the day on which the Holy See became vacant were eligible to participate in the conclave. Although it's not a formal requirement, the cardinal electors invariably elect the pope from among their number. Given that it is always the Q12 member who is longest serving as such who becomes church president makes it inevitable that the church president is quite a ways along in age, compared to any new pope.

[Stargazer]

This seems to be appropo for the current event. I wanted to make a corresponding video for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Don't know if I ever will. 

 

[Chum]

8 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

Only cardinals who had not passed their 80th birthdays on the day on which the Holy See became vacant were eligible to participate in the conclave.

Ha we don't respect age boundaries bc that's how we roll. Our age is biggest. 

[Tony uk]

Over the years in the Catholic church, I have been called a number of things, within reason that is. Traditionalist, Conservative, Progressive, Liberal. The new man at the top job at the Vatican, seems like a good man, who will try his best. And well done to the USA, for providing a genuine person of Christian leadership.

[Robert F. Smith]

2 hours ago, halconero said:

My prayers and well-wishes to our Catholic friends here on the board and elsewhere.

May Heavenly Father bless His Holiness in his ministry to his flock specifically and to humanity generally.

Yessir.  A tough job even in the best of times.  He will need everyone's prayers.

[Damien the Leper]

He's  an Augustinian as well. Good moderate choice.

[Pyreaux]

What I'm hearing is Pope Leo XIV, is considered the "economic choice" tied to the Vatican’s financial challenges, his administrative background, and his alignment with broader global economic concerns. His experience in Church governance and his role in the Congregation for Bishops provided him with a deep understanding of the Church's internal operations, making him a suitable candidate to navigate and reform complex financial structures. His fluency in multiple languages, especially English, positions him to bridge gaps between different cultures and economic systems within the global Church. 

What is thought as "negative" is the continued commitment to social justice and addressing economic inequalities, aligning with the Church's mission to support the marginalized and promote equitable economic structures. The College of Cardinals often avoids electing a Pope from major geopolitical powers (like the U.S., China, or Russia) reflects a long-standing effort to avoid aligning the papacy too closely with any single nation's interests. Thus by choosing a Pope from a major power could be perceived as compromising the Church’s neutrality, depending on who’s analyzing it.

The sudden coordinated positivity across all mainstream media, especially from traditionally critical or anti-Catholic sources, about him just two days before he was elected has been raising eyebrows for some observers. It’s not uncommon for global PR efforts to be orchestrated behind the scenes, especially if a particular candidate was being groomed or promoted quietly. The idea that a media wave rolled in just before the announcement may suggest that influential secular or financial interests were already aligned with the new Pope’s anticipated platform or style.

Edited May 9 by Pyreaux

[Calm]

45 minutes ago, Pyreaux said:

What is thought as "negative" is the continued commitment to social justice and addressing economic inequalities, aligning with the Church's mission to support the marginalized and promote equitable economic structures.

By whom?

[Pyreaux]

2 hours ago, Calm said:

By whom?

Conservative Catholics, especially in the U.S., Poland, Africa, and parts of Latin America. While the Gospel inherently calls for justice, mercy, and care for the poor, terms like "social justice," "economic inequality," and "equity" are interpreted differently among political and cultural groups. Once seen as universally moral goals, have become ideologically loaded in recent years.

"Social justice" is often heard as: Identity politics, suppression of dissenting views, group grievances rather than personal merit or traditional values. What could upend traditional hierarchies, family roles, and religious norms.

"Addressing Economic Inequalities" is heard as wealth redistribution, socialism, or anti-capitalist agendas. Disincentivizing work, savings, or entrepreneurship. Secular globalist ideologies (e.g., World Economic Forum).

"Equity" is distinguished from "Equality": Right-leaning voices often prefer 'equality of opportunity', everyone plays by the same rules. “Equity,” meaning equality of outcomes, favoritism or reverse discrimination. Overreach to “force” outcomes through quotas or mandates.

I'm not saying that is what the Church means. Just when religious institutions, including the Catholic Church, adopts language that echoes progressive platforms, is simply going to have a negative reaction from its conservative membership. Now, it could be these terms are just being hijacked politically, but even if not, that doesn’t invalidate the Church may see it as the way to advocate for justice, mercy, and care for the poor. Hopefully I've navigated that minefield, describing political ideas without getting political. I'm NOT saying whether it is in fact "negative", in any case.

Edited May 9 by Pyreaux

[3DOP]

13 hours ago, Tony uk said:

Over the years in the Catholic church, I have been called a number of things, within reason that is. Traditionalist, Conservative, Progressive, Liberal. The new man at the top job at the Vatican, seems like a good man, who will try his best. And well done to the USA, for providing a genuine person of Christian leadership.

Tony, hi.

You sound truly Catholic to me. Those who are ONLY traditional and ONLY are focused on preserving  our Catholic heritage are despised by those who are focused on free thinking progress. The well rounded Catholic will be concerned to promote both progress and tradition.

The Church, the Body of Christ is always growing like any living organism, without mutation in to something that seems to reject what it once was like.

I hope I could be "accused" of being traditional and progressive. 

Good on you.

 

[3DOP]

13 hours ago, Tony uk said:

Over the years in the Catholic church, I have been called a number of things, within reason that is. Traditionalist, Conservative, Progressive, Liberal. The new man at the top job at the Vatican, seems like a good man, who will try his best. And well done to the USA, for providing a genuine person of Christian leadership.

I am afraid that the media often has this narrative that labels instutions and individuals as either conservative or liberal. But the reality need  not be so polarizing.

I am also very hopeful our new papa is a good man. Let's pray for him as we are able. 

 

 

 

Edited May 9 by 3DOP

[Tony uk]

5 hours ago, 3DOP said:

Tony, hi.

You sound truly Catholic to me. Those who are ONLY traditional and ONLY are focused on preserving  our Catholic heritage are despised by those who are focused on free thinking progress. The well rounded Catholic will be concerned to promote both progress and tradition.

The Church, the Body of Christ is always growing like any living organism, without mutation in to something that seems to reject what it once was like.

I hope I could be "accused" of being traditional and progressive. 

Good on you.

 

Hi 3DOP

 

 Many thanks for your reply, I have always been something of a contradiction in terms. So, I tend to accept it as a quality for the good.

[3DOP]

21 hours ago, Tony uk said:

Hi 3DOP

 

 Many thanks for your reply, I have always been something of a contradiction in terms. So, I tend to accept it as a quality for the good.

Thanks for YOUR  reply Tony. Traditional Catholics do not worry. They believe that the Head of the Church, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, the Only Begotten Son of God, will not leave those He redeemed like orphans. 

The Church, from the beginning lets us not believe our leaders are perfect. However unlikely, It is not impossible that, maybe, like some so-called Traditional Catholic media sites, before he has been the Vicar of Christ for 24 hours, truly traditional  Catholics will eventually also decide to refer to our new Holy Father as "pervpope", or "creepy Leo". Maybe he will be a "bad pope"? It isn't impossible. But it seems early...by oh..., a week, or month before such a terrible judgment could be credibly made.

I cannot call these malicious pseudo-Catholics traditional. Last night, I shared a glass of scotch with a prominent priest of the Society of St. Plus X, my former pastor, and we talked about Pope Leo a little. Those who are truly Traditional, like my beloved former pastor, are not worried...much less "beside themselves".

Although I am no longer with the SSPX, I will never fail to recognize and appreciate the good, true, and beautiful that many priests and faithful of the Society seek...

 

 

 

Edited May 10 by 3DOP

[Damien the Leper]

On 5/10/2025 at 5:12 AM, 3DOP said:

Although I am no longer with the SSPX

When did this happen? What parish do you attend now?

[3DOP]

42 minutes ago, Damien the Leper said:

When did this happen? What parish do you attend now?

Hey Damien. Good to see you! 

First Sunday of Advent, 2023. I go to Immaculate Conception, my diocesan church about a mile away. I am out on the back deck and see the Immaculata, the largest SSPX Church in the world, a  half mile away?

Like the Church, I am making progress, (I hope)!

I intend, in these retirement years to write some memoirs for family and interested parties, explaining my many moves over the years. 

Rory

[Damien the Leper]

3 hours ago, 3DOP said:

Hey Damien. Good to see you! 

First Sunday of Advent, 2023. I go to Immaculate Conception, my diocesan church about a mile away. I am out on the back deck and see the Immaculata, the largest SSPX Church in the world, a half mile away?

Like the Church, I am making progress, (I hope)!

I intend, in these retirement years to write some memoirs for family and interested parties, explaining my many moves over the years. 

Rory

Very nice. That sounds like good plans.