Craig Speechly Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Senior Latter-day Saint apostle ‘never released tithing records,’ church states Peggy Fletcher Stack 11/06/2023 A senior apostle with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints “has never released tithing records to Operation Underground Railroad or any other organization,” a church spokesperson said Monday. This denial comes in response to allegations — included in a new filing in a lawsuit against OUR and the group’s founder, Tim Ballard — that Davis County Attorney Troy Rawlings told OUR attorneys he had “evidence” that senior apostle M. Russell Ballard and/or other “church authorities” had provided the records to help the nonprofit anti-sex-trafficking organization target large donors or wealthy Latter-day Saint congregations. Rawlings and the church initially declined to comment on the accusation. ADVERTISEMENT When contacted Monday, however, Rawlings told The Salt Lake Tribune that “when Davis County closed its investigation [of OUR], there was insufficient evidence to substantiate the allegation of Elder Ballard’s role with respect to LDS tithing records.” And, in its latest statement from spokesperson Doug Andersen, the church emphasized that it “regards tithing records as sacred and keeps them confidential.” What is the church’s policy? Social media platforms have been abuzz in recent days about the allegation that an apostle would give out private financial information about members of the global faith of 17 million. “If Elder Ballard felt good in his decision to share big tithing payers to OUR,” one person commented on X, formerly Twitter, “then what other higher-ups are feeling good about sharing with other organizations or people?” Best practices for nonprofits “is to have a formal donor privacy policy,” said Sam Brunson, a Loyola University Chicago tax law professor. “It can be explicit or opt-in.” ADVERTISEMENT Many nonprofits “sell or rent their donor lists,” said Brunson, who is a Latter-day Saint. “I don’t love the idea of the church sharing donation information. It feels inappropriate. But … I don’t recall the church ever explicitly saying it will protect donor privacy.” In this case, he said, “especially if something like this happened, there may be a need for the church to formulate a policy.” (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) The church's General Handbook spells out guidelines for tithing records. The Utah-based faith’s General Handbooksuggests that such a policy exists. “The amount of tithing and other offerings paid by a donor is confidential,” the guidebook for all church leadersstates. “Only the bishop and those who are authorized to handle or view these contributions should have access to this information.” Church leaders, it adds, are to “ensure that such data is not used for personal, political, or commercial purposes.” Those funds ‘belong to the Lord’ (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) Apostle Neil L. Andersen talks about tithing at General Conference on Saturday, Sept. 30, 2023. ADVERTISEMENT In the faith’s most recent General Conference, apostle Neil L. Andersen said “sacred tithes do not belong to leaders of the church. They belong to the Lord” and are spent on missionary work, temples, church schools, chapels and to help those in need. “The spiritual power of the divine law of tithing is not measured by the amount of money contributed, for both the prosperous and the poor are commanded by the Lord to contribute 10% of their income,” he said. “The power comes from placing our trust in the Lord.” Andersen shared a quote from former church President Gordon B. Hinckley’s father about tithing: “What the authorities of the church do with it need not concern [you, Gordon]. They are answerable to the Lord, who will require an accounting at their hands.” Today’s top church leaders, Andersen assured, “deeply feel the weight of being ‘answerable to the Lord.’” Apostle’s falling-out with Tim Ballard (The New York Times, left; The Salt Lake Tribune, right) Tim Ballard, left, and M. Russell Ballard, who are not related. The latest court filing — from five womenaccusing OUR founder Tim Ballard (no relation to the 95-year-old apostle) of sexual misconduct — includes notes about conversations between Rawlings and OUR attorneys regarding the case. Dated Feb. 14, 2023, those notes refer to a December 2022 meeting between the two parties. ADVERTISEMENT In September, the church issued a scathing rebuke of Tim Ballard, saying that M. Russell Ballard, acting president of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, and Tim Ballard had been friends at one point but that the church leader severed ties with him “many months ago.” “Once it became clear Tim Ballard had betrayed their friendship, through the unauthorized use of President Ballard’s name for Tim Ballard’s personal advantage and [for] activity regarded as morally unacceptable,” the church said in a statement, “President Ballard withdrew his association.” Tim Ballard has denied the accusation, saying “never in my life, ever, have I used his name to raise money, to make some business deal. It never happened.” He also has denied the accusations of sexual misconduct. Apostle Ballard reported last week that he is recuperating at home after being treated at a hospital for respiratory issues 1 Link to comment
Kenngo1969 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Everybody sees the original accusation, nobody sees the correction. Thanks, Craig! You're a gem! 1 Link to comment
Nofear Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 If anybody cares, this is training that the bishoprics have to go through. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/tools/help/sacred-funds-sacred-responsibilities?lang=eng 2 Link to comment
Craig Speechly Posted November 9, 2023 Author Share Posted November 9, 2023 (edited) On 11/7/2023 at 8:11 AM, Kenngo1969 said: Everybody sees the original accusation, nobody sees the correction. Thanks, Craig! You're a gem! You must be a riot at Ward 🎉 parties with your quick wit and caustic demeanor Mr Anonymous Kenngo What would this board be without you? I can’t begin to imagine MD&D without you Edited November 9, 2023 by Craig Speechly -6 Link to comment
bluebell Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 15 minutes ago, Craig Speechly said: You must be a riot at Ward 🎉 parties with your quick wit and caustic demeanor Mr Anonymous Kenngo What would this board without you? I can’t begin to imagine MD&D without you I thought he was sincerely complimenting you for sharing the correction in it's own thread. 4 Link to comment
MustardSeed Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Bluebell is likely correct, and that’s how I first read it. You’ve probably grossly misstepped here Craig. 2 Link to comment
ksfisher Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 1 minute ago, MustardSeed said: Bluebell is likely correct, and that’s how I first read it. You’ve probably grossly misstepped here Craig. I think it's possible to read it both ways. Sarcasm can take something that sounds like a compliment and turn it into an insult. In writing it can be very difficult at times to determine tone. 2 Link to comment
MustardSeed Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 We know Ken so I trust he is not being sarcastic. 3 Link to comment
Craig Speechly Posted November 9, 2023 Author Share Posted November 9, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, bluebell said: I thought he was sincerely complimenting you for sharing the correction in its own thread. 3 hours ago, bluebell said: I thought he was sincerely complimenting you for sharing the correction in it's own thread. If this was a sincere expression of appreciation then I apologize. If all your interactions with a dog have been a bite of the hand when you go to pet it, you generally expect a bite on the hand again the next time and not a lick on your face. Kenngo has never (to the best of my memory) ever agreed, sided or attempted to seek an understanding of my perspective with anything I’ve ever expressed on this board. Instead he is quick with his sharp barbs or attack. I consider him one of the board bullies for non orthodox posters. So again, if his post was a sincere compliment and token of appreciation, I sincerely apologize. Edited November 9, 2023 by Craig Speechly -3 Link to comment
Craig Speechly Posted November 9, 2023 Author Share Posted November 9, 2023 13 minutes ago, Craig Speechly said: If this was a sincere expression of appreciation then I apologize. If all your interactions with a dog have been a bite of the hand when you go to pet it, you generally expect a bite on the hand again the next time and not a lick on your face. Kenngo has never (to the best of my memory) ever agreed, sided or attempted to seek an understanding of my perspective with anything I’ve ever expressed on this board. Instead he is quick with his sharp barbs or attack. I consider him one of the board bullies for non orthodox posters. So again, if his post was a sincere compliment and token of appreciation, I sincerely apologize. Really Calm? You down vote my apology? Ok. -1 Link to comment
Calm Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Craig Speechly said: Really Calm? You down vote my apology? Ok. An apology that calls someone a bully is not an apology in my opinion. I was expressing my sincere and deepest disagreement with that specific accusation of Ken with my downvote. He is not a bully. Edited November 10, 2023 by Calm 3 Link to comment
SeekingUnderstanding Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 3 hours ago, ksfisher said: I think it's possible to read it both ways. Sarcasm can take something that sounds like a compliment and turn it into an insult. In writing it can be very difficult at times to determine tone. Eye rolls don’t tend to convey sincerity in my experience. I definitely read it as sarcasm, but I’d be happy to be wrong. Link to comment
Craig Speechly Posted November 10, 2023 Author Share Posted November 10, 2023 28 minutes ago, Calm said: An apology that calls someone a bully is not an apology in my opinion. I was expressing my sincere and deepest disagreement with that specific accusation of Ken with my downvote. He is not a bully. Because you’ve never been the focus of his barbs. -1 Link to comment
Craig Speechly Posted November 10, 2023 Author Share Posted November 10, 2023 44 minutes ago, SeekingUnderstanding said: Eye rolls don’t tend to convey sincerity in my experience. I definitely read it as sarcasm, but I’d be happy to be wrong. Amen. I knew there was something in his cough cough compliment that made me assume he was being insincere . He was clearly being disingenuous and consistent with his past practice of pot stirring -2 Link to comment
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