I have become a Mormon 3 weeks ago.

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

On 12/9/2022 at 10:50 AM, Dario_M said:

Hey guys how are you doing. 

I just have become a mormon. I had my baptize and received the holly spirit. I am a guy btw.

SO...All nice all good you would say right. 

But the problems are beggining to start now. My missionaris (and another person of the church) wants me to also receive the priesterhood. I dont want that because i feel like i am not ready for it.

Last Sunday the Bishop called my name and told me i may walk forward to receive the Priesterhood. The church whas full of people on that moment. I said honestly that i didn't want that because i whas not ready for it and stayed on my place without moving forward. People in church don't seem to understand that. 

There is also another problem and that is that i am gay. Why can i not marry another man in the Temple? It is 2022 where are living in. 

Thank you for reading. God bless you all. ✝️✝️✝️

 

So, knowing the doctrine of the Church, your first act was to say no? Then immediately question why you cannot be married in the Temple to another man. All of this, would have been taught to you by the missionaries. Also, if you said you did not want the Priesthood, you are telling us, that the Bishop told you to come up, knowing you did not want to be ordained. So, you just sat there and refused to come up front. Then, in this narrative, you immediately want to know why you can’t have a sane sex marriage in the Holy Temple of God. All of this and you were baptized anyway knowing all of these doctrines of the Church, or at least the most basic of beliefs that we hold, most dear, and most sacred. Forgive me, but none of this rings true. If I am wrong, I beg your forgiveness. But this sounds like you are trolling, and spoiling for a fight, and one line one. The only question is; Why? 

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

On 12/9/2022 at 11:11 AM, Dario_M said:

Okay but i am here in Portugal. People are a bit messy here with those thinks anyway. 

And yes i did had a short intervieuw with the bishop. At first i said yes. But later i changed my mind. May i?

Sweetie i know how it all works and yes my missionaries told me all the thinks you are telling me right now but i did not wanna listen.

In another intervieuw about my baptism i lie and said what he wanted to hear (the person i had the intervieuw with about my baptizing). And he gived me the green light. 

And that is why i have received my baptazing and a day later (sunday) i received the holy ghost. So now i am a mormon.

And i ask this question about marrage in the timple for MYSELF because i find it unfair girl. 

You are admitting to lying, and knowingly seeking to deceive members there. Also, the person you are responding to, calling he “Sweetie”, is just rude, also in the last sentence calling he “girl”. She deserves to be treated with respect, and your admission that you lied to be baptized, clearly means you are not a “Mormon”. If you were one, other than in name only, after lying to be baptized speaks volumes of you character. There are many websites where you can speak of your deception, and issues with Church doctrines, and they will be thrilled at what you have done. This website is not one of them, there are so many other places where you can “Troll”. 

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

On 12/9/2022 at 11:19 AM, Dario_M said:

I have also read the whole book of Mormon and nowhere in the book i can figure out why being a gay is such a horible sin. 

I really dont wanna marry a woman in the temple. 

We do not just use The Book of Mormon, we use the Bible, which is very clear on the issue of homosexuality (or the acts of it) is very sinful, in both the Old and New Testaments. It does not have to be in another book, since the Bible is more than enough. The Church will not, and cannot allow same sex marriages in it’s Temples, or chapels. We must follow the words and commandments of God, or we will face the wrath of God. Our authority comes from our obedience to the word and will of Jesus Christ. We cannot lie our way into heaven. 

[Dario_M]

1 hour ago, Bill “Papa” Lee said:

So, knowing the doctrine of the Church, your first act was to say no? Then immediately question why you cannot be married in the Temple to another man. All of this, would have been taught to you by the missionaries. Also, if you said you did not want the Priesthood, you are telling us, that the Bishop told you to come up, knowing you did not want to be ordained. So, you just sat there and refused to come up front. Then, in this narrative, you immediately want to know why you can’t have a sane sex marriage in the Holy Temple of God. All of this and you were baptized anyway knowing all of these doctrines of the Church, or at least the most basic of beliefs that we hold, most dear, and most sacred. Forgive me, but none of this rings true. If I am wrong, I beg your forgiveness. But this sounds like you are trolling, and spoiling for a fight, and one line one. The only question is; Why? 

I am not trolling at all. You just need too read my topic a little bit better and stop putting words in my mouth. Thank you.

Edited December 12, 2022 by Dario_M

[Dario_M]

53 minutes ago, Bill “Papa” Lee said:

You are admitting to lying, and knowingly seeking to deceive members there. Also, the person you are responding to, calling he “Sweetie”, is just rude, also in the last sentence calling he “girl”. She deserves to be treated with respect, and your admission that you lied to be baptized, clearly means you are not a “Mormon”. If you were one, other than in name only, after lying to be baptized speaks volumes of you character. There are many websites where you can speak of your deception, and issues with Church doctrines, and they will be thrilled at what you have done. This website is not one of them, there are so many other places where you can “Troll”. 

Leave me alone man. With your judgements. I trully think that you are the one here that is the TROLL.

From now on i am going to ignore you. And if will you continuing with these nonsens i will block you sir. 

Have a nice evening sir papa. 👋

Edited December 12, 2022 by Dario_M

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

3 hours ago, Dario_M said:

Leave me alone man. With your judgements. I trully think that you are the one here that is the TROLL.

From now on i am going to ignore you. And if will you continuing with these nonsens i will block you sir. 

Have a nice evening sir papa. 👋

I would love too, just stop making light of our Faith. 

[Calm]

Dario, two websites you might find helpful and interesting.

For what it is like being a Saint (I prefer using this term rather than Mormon and because I am too lazy to write out Latter-day Saints each time…the Catholics on the board are nice enough not to complain), this is a fun site.  Has a lot of other content as well.  Not always traditional, but generally a faithful approach.

https://saintsunscripted.com/category/about-mormons/culture/

You said in another thread you really liked the Book of Mormon.  This below is an excellent website, should be easy for you to read with the English skills I have seen from you, but still it is deals with our best scholarship in my opinion.  It is not an official Church website, but I know some of the people who work on it and they are all devout members, some used to work for the Church at BYU, so I consider it a very good site for exploring ideas without getting into too deep speculation (conspiracy theories and such, the weird stuff).  Their Come Follow Me Sunday study podcast is excellent, they cover the scripture currently assigned, but you can watch other years’.  This year is Old Testament, finishing up soon.  Next will be New Testament.  The bottom link is their 2020 Book of Mormon series.

 

https://bookofmormoncentral.org/

 

https://bookofmormoncentral.org/come-follow-me/book-of-mormon

Edited December 13, 2022 by Calm

[Dario_M]

@Calm well how sweet of you to give me all this info. You are the kindest. 🥰 thank you verry much. I will digg in it immidiatly. 

[Calm]

I am assuming you are at the point you have questions, but you feel you also don’t even know what questions you should be asking, but you know you have them.  This might help make the process not so awkward.

[Dario_M]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

I am assuming you are at the point you have questions, but you feel you also don’t even know what questions you should be asking, but you know you have them.  This might help make the process not so awkward.

Yep. I have allready seen one video from the link you send me. bookofmormoncentral. About 2 nice guys who adocate about Moses. And other thinks. Really nice education. I have nearly seen the whole video. Tomorrow i will watch it futher. For now i am going to sleep. It is 22:45 here. 😴 

[manol]

Just for the record...

I'd like to point out that there were many young men who lied about their age and/or their sexual orientation in order to join the military and fight against great evil during World War Two.  My great-uncle was one such young man, and he died in the ball turret of a B-17 somewhere over Nazi Germany. 

[Dario_M]

55 minutes ago, manol said:

Just for the record...

I'd like to point out that there were many young men who lied about their age and/or their sexual orientation in order to join the military and fight against great evil during World War Two.  My great-uncle was one such young man, and he died in the ball turret of a B-17 somewhere over Nazi Germany. 

I am totally agree with you. Sometimes you just need to do that to get somewhere. 

But i must admit that i feel really good in this church. So it whas absolutly not a bad choice of me to be a member of this church. ✝️

[Dario_M]

53 minutes ago, Jakob42 said:

I am surprised at what you report.  I recall back in the early seventies when I was baptized that the process for being ordained was done in private.   And it could have been refused or delayed as well.  

 

The question of gay marriage though is different.   You should speak in private with your bishop about this.  

Yeah... Portugal huh. Total mess always here. In here nothing goes how it should go. I still need to get used to that. Because i am born and raised in the west part of the Netherlands. And in the Netherlands thinks work a whole lot differend then here. Even my missionaries told me that. ''A culture thing" they call it. 

I speak a lot with my missionaries. I have not spoken all to much with my bishop though. I think i should do that. 

 

[Dario_M]

53 minutes ago, Jakob42 said:

You should indeed.  LDS temple ordinances are Old Testament in their origins and practices.   They do not change simply because of liberal ideas du jour.  Or am I wrong and have they changed?   To avoid being hurt you should immediately speak with your bishop.

Offcourse i am wrong. This is just a dream of mine. A dream that will never happen. Life is unfair. 😔🤧

[Calm]

2 hours ago, Dario_M said:

Life is unfair.

There are few things as commonly true as that phrase, imo.

[Dario_M]

10 hours ago, Calm said:

There are few things as commonly true as that phrase, imo.

I know. 😭

[Orthodox Christian]

On 12/9/2022 at 4:25 PM, Dario_M said:

 

Because i really really badly wanted to get baptized. And my missionaries told me that if i dont admit too all those comidments and would say that i am gay my baptizing would never happen. 

So that is why i have lied. I wanted my baptizing. I wanted to be saved be Jesus Christ. And i wanted to be a member of the church of Jesus Christ Of LetterDay Saints. 

May I ask, if you lied, is your baptism valid. Don't you think in that one particular moment in your life you should have been truthful. What does being a Mormon actually mean to you? And are you saying that the missionaries encouraged you to lie?

Edited January 22 by Orthodox Christian

[Dario_M]

5 hours ago, Orthodox Christian said:

May I ask, if you lied, is your baptism valid. Don't you think in that one particular moment in your life you should have been truthful. What does being a Mormon actually mean to you? And are you saying that the missionaries encouraged you to lie?

 

Uhm...are you going to judge about me???

Yes i have lie about some thinks. About the law of chestity. That one is just imposible for me to follow. I am gay and on the moment extremaly lonely. For the rest i follow the rest of all the commitments. So yes. I have lied on my baptism. And also when i received the holy ghost. But i still have been baptized anyway. And i still have received the holy ghost. So i am a valid member of the LDS church. 

My missionaries have never NEVER encouraged me to lie on my baptisms. But they knew i had strugles. I have told all my strugles to my missionaries (also that i whas gay). 😪 They have never judge me about the that...the fact i whas gay. 🌈✝️

 

Edited January 22 by Dario_M

[Tacenda]

31 minutes ago, Dario_M said:

 

Uhm...are you going to judge about me???

Yes i have lie about some thinks. About the law of chestity. That one is just imposible for me to follow. I am gay and on the moment extremaly lonely. For the rest i follow the rest of all the commitments. So yes. I have lied on my baptism. And also when i received the holy ghost. But i still have been baptized anyway. And i still have received the holy ghost. So i am a valid member of the LDS church. 

My missionaries have never NEVER encouraged me to lie on my baptisms. But they knew i had strugles. I have told all my strugles to my missionaries (also that i whas gay). 😪 They have never judge me about the that...the fact i whas gay. 🌈✝️

 

I don't think you're alone on this. But it might do you some good to just tell the truth with a bishop meet up, and get it off your chest. You are in a century where it is much more accepted that you're gay, and even if you act on it, I wonder now if you'd be ex'd, I kind of doubt it. But I'm sorry if I've overstepped by saying you will not, and then it happened. I feel like you really do love being LDS or a member of the church. I'd hate it if something happened like your being ex'd. Now I want to step back and take back what I said. Now I believe you should go forward and not think in the past and not go to your bishop and live your faith as you want and as long as you're not hurting anyone, then what's not to like about that, hugs! 

Edited January 22 by Tacenda

[Dario_M]

1 hour ago, Tacenda said:

I don't think you're alone on this. But it might do you some good to just tell the truth with a bishop meet up, and get it off your chest. You are in a century where it is much more accepted that you're gay, and even if you act on it, I wonder now if you'd be ex'd, I kind of doubt it. But I'm sorry if I've overstepped by saying you will not, and then it happened. I feel like you really do love being LDS or a member of the church. I'd hate it if something happened like your being ex'd. Now I want to step back and take back what I said. Now I believe you should go forward and not think in the past and not go to your bishop and live your faith as you want and as long as you're not hurting anyone, then what's not to like about that, hugs! 

I have the number of the Bishop though. One of my missionaries have given it to me. So i could call him and tell him all about it. 

But i think he is really bussy. So i am a bit unsure or i would do that. 

But i have the number so i can call him anytime i want. 

And hugs to you too. 🫂 God bless you. ✝️

Edited January 22 by Dario_M

[Orthodox Christian]

2 hours ago, Dario_M said:

 

Uhm...are you going to judge about me???

Yes i have lie about some thinks. About the law of chestity. That one is just imposible for me to follow. I am gay and on the moment extremaly lonely. For the rest i follow the rest of all the commitments. So yes. I have lied on my baptism. And also when i received the holy ghost. But i still have been baptized anyway. And i still have received the holy ghost. So i am a valid member of the LDS church. 

My missionaries have never NEVER encouraged me to lie on my baptisms. But they knew i had strugles. I have told all my strugles to my missionaries (also that i whas gay). 😪 They have never judge me about the that...the fact i whas gay. 🌈✝️

 

Dario, of all people, I am the least able to judge you. But, I found it shocking that you would deliberately lie on an occasion as important as this. When people make a decision to become a member of a church, they normally follow a period of instruction so that they know the doctrines and beliefs of that church. And further to this they are taught what baptism means to that church. To think that it is acceptable to lie shows a measure of insincerity. God sees what we do. Most people when they are involved in a church wish to live a life that reflects the values of that organisation. Any fornication or promiscuity gay or straight does not reflect Christian values. To think that you can become a member of a church without any change with regard to sin is plainly wrong. I feel you need some guidance from someone, priest or bishop, who has your best interest at heart.

[Dario_M]

26 minutes ago, Orthodox Christian said:

Dario, of all people, I am the least able to judge you. But, I found it shocking that you would deliberately lie on an occasion as important as this. When people make a decision to become a member of a church, they normally follow a period of instruction so that they know the doctrines and beliefs of that church.

And i have follow all of those lessons bevore my baptizing.

For months my missionaries teached me all the commitments and all kinds of other thinks for me to know about this church. To propare me for my baptism. 

I lied because i have made the choise to lie. If i would be honest on my intervieuw i knew that i wouldn't get baptized. But i wanted to get baptized so badly. So i lied on my intervieuw and after that i whas ready to go. 2 days later i got baptized. 

26 minutes ago, Orthodox Christian said:

 

And further to this they are taught what baptism means to that church. To think that it is acceptable to lie shows a measure of insincerity. God sees what we do. Most people when they are involved in a church wish to live a life that reflects the values of that organisation. Any fornication or promiscuity gay or straight does not reflect Christian values. To think that you can become a member of a church without any change with regard to sin is plainly wrong. I feel you need some guidance from someone, priest or bishop, who has your best interest at heart.

I follow the most commitments. But i am still a human not a robot. Some commitments are just to dificuld (imposible) to follow. It is what it is. 

For the rest i feel really good in the church. And the attention i get from the missionaries. 

I am fine okay. And if i am not i can always call my Bishop.

Thanks god bless.✝️

[Orthodox Christian]

12 hours ago, Dario_M said:

And i have follow all of those lessons bevore my baptizing.

For months my missionaries teached me all the commitments and all kinds of other thinks for me to know about this church. To propare me for my baptism. 

I lied because i have made the choise to lie. If i would be honest on my intervieuw i knew that i wouldn't get baptized. But i wanted to get baptized so badly. So i lied on my intervieuw and after that i whas ready to go. 2 days later i got baptized. 

I follow the most commitments. But i am still a human not a robot. Some commitments are just to dificuld (imposible) to follow. It is what it is. 

For the rest i feel really good in the church. And the attention i get from the missionaries. 

I am fine okay. And if i am not i can always call my Bishop.

Thanks god bless.✝️

You need to remember that God will not be mocked.

[Dario_M]

4 hours ago, Orthodox Christian said:

You need to remember that God will not be mocked.

I am not mocking God. I just wanted to get baptized. And wanted the holy ghost. 🫂

Edited January 23 by Dario_M

[MustardSeed]

2 minutes ago, Dario_M said:

I am not mocking God. I just wanted to get baptized. And wanted the holy ghost. 🫂

I’m glad you are so open with us Dario.  You’ve become a sweet part of our community on this board. ❤️