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On 1/13/2022 at 9:55 PM, Tacenda said:

how do we get children when there's no blood? I'm speaking about those in the celestial kingdom.

While in the spirit world you only have spirit children. In order for Celestial beings to have physical children, they must temporarily leave their exaltation and once again take on mortal flesh, like Adam and Eve did. 

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43 minutes ago, MacGyver said:

While in the spirit world you only have spirit children. In order for Celestial beings to have physical children, they must temporarily leave their exaltation and once again take on mortal flesh, like Adam and Eve did. 

Or temporarily quicken their mortal spouse.

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On 12/29/2021 at 1:15 PM, JLHPROF said:

Just one of many issues with the "Jehovah of the OT is Jesus" doctrine.
Jehovah appeared to Adam and Enoch and probably others.  Christ said the Brother of Jared was the first time he appeared to anyone as a spirit child.

Actually, I would disagree with this line of thought.  What Jesus said to the Brother of Jared was, "And never have I showed myself unto man whom I have created".  The Brother of Jared had been communicating with Jesus and receiving revelation from Him even prior to this experience.  He thought he was praying to God and receiving revelation from Him.  I believe this was the same being that appeared to Adam, Enoch and others.  The key to understanding this is in what Jesus said to the Brother of Jared.  In other words, Jesus had never chosen to show Himself to men, He was always acting on behalf of the Father and under His direction.  With the Brother of Jared, this was the first time He had actually shown Himself to a man without the Father directing Him to do so,

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2 hours ago, MacGyver said:

Like God and Mary the mother of the Savior?

Good example! Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The aHoly Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: [31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name aJESUS.] therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the bSon of God.

 

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3 hours ago, CV75 said:

Good example! Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The aHoly Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: [31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name aJESUS.] therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the bSon of God.

 

I believe that this is the only possible example we have of what you were suggesting. 

So you believe Mary was the wife of God the Father and Joseph the Carpenter at the same time then?

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3 hours ago, MacGyver said:

I believe that this is the only possible example we have of what you were suggesting. 

So you believe Mary was the wife of God the Father and Joseph the Carpenter at the same time then?

That sort of thing is not an unusual conclusion, though a rather disrespectfully literal way of putting it.

Many have had the experience of being carried away by the spirit.

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6 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

That sort of thing is not an unusual conclusion, though a rather disrespectfully literal way of putting it.

In what way is what way was my question disrespectful?

6 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

Many have had the experience of being carried away by the spirit.

And being impregnated by God while be carried away by the spirit?

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2 hours ago, MacGyver said:

In what way is what way was my question disrespectful?

And being impregnated by God while be carried away by the spirit?

Uh, no.

So far we have needed only one savior.

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12 hours ago, MacGyver said:

I believe that this is the only possible example we have of what you were suggesting. 

So you believe Mary was the wife of God the Father and Joseph the Carpenter at the same time then?

I believe that Heavenly Father and Mary were in a covenant union, and that it can be considered a marriage of some kind (but the only one of its kind as far as we are concerned), and it wouldn't matter who was betrothed, espoused or married to whom, or when.

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3 hours ago, CV75 said:

I believe that Heavenly Father and Mary were in a covenant union, and that it can be considered a marriage of some kind (but the only one of its kind as far as we are concerned), and it wouldn't matter who was betrothed, espoused or married to whom, or when.

Good way to put it!

We always want specifics about HOW God does things, which we could never possibly understand anyway!

He organized the universe!

Do we know how he did it? Of course not!

And even if we did know how Jesus was conceived why would we need to know ?  To judge God?

Do we want to know the intimate details of how WE were conceived?  

Would it be disrespectful to ask your mom ? Some of our worst curses in English are based on our parents intimacies.

Why do people want to talk about GOD that way?

No wonder we don't know much about Heavenly Mother!

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20 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

Good way to put it!

We always want specifics about HOW God does things, which we could never possibly understand anyway!

He organized the universe!

Do we know how he did it? Of course not!

And even if we did know how he did it, why would we need to know ?  To judge God?

Do we want to know the intimate details of how WE were conceived?  

Would it be disrespectful to ask your mom ? Some of our worst curses in English are based on our parents intimacies.

Why do people want to talk about GOD that way?

No wonder we don't know much about Heavenly Mother!

Yes, what use is it to reduce our divine relationships to mechanical transactions, or at best, separate them?

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3 hours ago, CV75 said:

Yes, what use is it to reduce our divine relationships to mechanical transactions, or at best, separate them?

Yes exactly!!

How could one confuse eternal undefinable love with engineering ;) ?

It's the intellectual disease of our age: confusing "how things work" (science) with "why things work" and their function in human life.

We need to always look at the function of ideas and beliefs.  What good does the belief do us?

The incarnation shows that God was willing to become man, and take on the worst trials mankind could throw at him because he loves us!

That's the why!

Why is the "how" even relevant?

Why does the world even exist?

Try asking science that one!

Yet we know it is to give us immortality and eternal life!  What else matters? :)

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

Do we want to know the intimate details of how WE were conceived?  

Would it be disrespectful to ask your mom ? Some of our worst curses in English are based on our parents intimacies.

This is subjective though (which of course you know).

For me I was never uncomfortable about it with my parents nor was I uncomfortable with explaining it to my kids in any detail they wanted, no pictures included though. Also door was always locked just in case someone got out of bed. 
 

So not kids are not being disrespectful in any way I can think of except maybe if trying to interrupt the fun. 

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2 hours ago, Calm said:

This is subjective though (which of course you know).

For me I was never uncomfortable about it with my parents nor was I uncomfortable with explaining it to my kids in any detail they wanted, no pictures included though. Also door was always locked just in case someone got out of bed. 
 

So not kids are not being disrespectful in any way I can think of except maybe if trying to interrupt the fun. 

Maybe I did not communicate it well.

I am not talking about the birds and bees.  I meant details about your conception.

Did it start with a kiss? Then what happened, who touched who where and when?  What was the first clothing removed etc.

THAT is what I meant would be none of anybody's business, and disrespectful to even ask here.

This is GOD!

It's none of our business and irrelevant anyway 

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2 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

Maybe I did not communicate it well.

I am not talking about the birds and bees.  I meant details about your conception.

Did it start with a kiss? Then what happened, who touched who where and when?  What was the first clothing removed etc.

THAT is what I meant would be none of anybody's business, and disrespectful to even ask here.

This is GOD!

It's none of our business and irrelevant anyway 

And that is what I meant when I said I didn’t care if my kids asked me about it out of curiosity.  I don’t see it as inherently disrespectful.  I get that many do, but bet it is cultural.  Otoh, I see no reason my personal lack of care should dictate what others feel is inappropriate to discuss.

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12 hours ago, CV75 said:

Because each structure is divinely appointed.

Sure, but why doesn't it matter? Does understanding how God can be married to Mary at the same time as she is betrothed/married to Joseph without violating eternal laws not matter at all?

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11 minutes ago, rodheadlee said:

Fixed it for you. 

What I said originally is correct and didn't need to be fixed.

1 And now Abinadi said unto them: I would that ye should understand that God himself shall come down among the children of men, and shall redeem his people.
2 And because he dwelleth in flesh he shall be called the Son of God, and having subjected the flesh to the will of the Father, being the Father and the Son—
3 The Father, because he was conceived by the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son—

4 And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth.

Mosiah 15

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5 minutes ago, MacGyver said:

What I said originally is correct and didn't need to be fixed.

1 And now Abinadi said unto them: I would that ye should understand that God himself shall come down among the children of men, and shall redeem his people.
2 And because he dwelleth in flesh he shall be called the Son of God, and having subjected the flesh to the will of the Father, being the Father and the Son—
3 The Father, because he was conceived by the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son—

4 And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth.

Mosiah 15

Yeah but He is not THE Father. 

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51 minutes ago, rodheadlee said:

Fixed it for you. 

Just an FYI reminder…

 Hard enough as it is to keep track of who said what when quotes remain untouched. :) 
 

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6 hours ago, MacGyver said:

Sure, but why doesn't it matter? Does understanding how God can be married to Mary at the same time as she is betrothed/married to Joseph without violating eternal laws not matter at all?

See Jacob 2:30 and D&C 132:35. Understanding certainly matters, but keeping the commandments and covenants matters more (Moses 5: 5-9).

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