Update on Story Re: Missing Kids (Daybell)

[Calm]

Eric has been busy today, from Twitter 

 

Police reports show phone records indicate Alex Cox and Chad #Daybell talked a number of times on burner phones in the hours before and after the attempted murder of Brandon Boudreaux.

 

"IAN (Melani's new husband) told Rexburg PD and the FBI that MELANI said she would go to prison or die before turning against LORI and CHAD. That statement was not recorded," according to a police report. #Daybell

On the Oct. 9 attempted shooting of Tammy Daybell police in Arizona said this "... Evidence gathered and processed identified CHAD as the facilitator of the crime and ALEX as the shooter." #Daybell

 

More details on the test results of Alex Cox's silver Ford F150 are heavily redacted. #Daybell

 

 

 

#DAYBELL As I have read the Gilbert Police documents, vehicles known to be driven by Alex Cox and Lori Vallow Daybell had blood and DNA. When tested in January 2020 they did not know who it belonged to.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/ericgrossarth

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Not a good look for Melani, Twitter:

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Justin Lum - Reporter 
 

Interesting. Boudreaux told GPD he believes Melani blocked his phone from getting communications from Charles Vallow. Few months after JJ Vallow & Tylee Ryan were found dead, BB found 24 unread texts from CV between 01/2019-07/2019 in a blocked folde

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Justin Lum - Reporter 
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Per GPD’s interview w/ Melani’s dad Steve Cope, Melani wanted to divorce Brandon after getting a revelation he was gay. Cope said she started speaking about light & dark spirits in spring 2019. When Cope asked her who shot at BB, report says Melani suggested BB shot at himself

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Gilbert Police: Between 10/2018-10/2019 -- Alex Cox, Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell identified Brandon Boudreaux as a "dark' soul. Lori extensively communicated with Melani Boudreaux which led to separation and divorce. Cox, Vallow and Daybell prepared for Brandon's murder in late September 2019 - tinting the Jeep Wrangler's window, removing the backseat and the back wheel.
On 9/30/19, Cox drove the Jeep from Rexburg, ID to Gilbert, AZ - arriving on 10/1. The next day he drove to Brandon's rental home address and waited for nearly two hours, parked outside. As Brandon arrived back to the home, driving towards the driveway, Cox opened fire through the back window and hit the front driver's side A-pillar before driving away

 

Edited November 18, 2021 by Calm

[Calm]

This explains the slew of tweets:

https://www.azfamily.com/news/continuing_coverage/missing_idaho_kids/gilbert-charge-recommendation-chad-daybell-lori-vallow/article_236cc328-480d-11ec-8e3a-a3fbe2780a75.html

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GILBERT, AZ (3TV/CBS 5) -- Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow could be facing more charges if Gilbert police get their way. The Gilbert Police Department has recommended attempted first-degree murder charges to the Maricopa County Attorney's Office against Daybell and Vallow in connection to Brandon Boudreaux being shot at in 2019. Boudreaux is the ex-husband of Vallow's niece.

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Detectives discovered Cox looked up Brandon's address on his phone that morning and then waited two hours for Brandon to come home. Police said Cox, Lori and Daybell all did this because they considered Brandon a "dark soul."

Melani, the niece, Brandon’s ex wife, has not been charged yet.  With her likely blocking Brandon’s texts, she seems a probable conspirator.  My guess they liked a worshipper, she was helping by keeping Brandon and Charles from figuring out how to deal with LVD, and Brandon was worth a ton, more than Charles iirc. I can see CD thinking he could get that money too.  Melani seems as devoted to LVD as her uncle, Alex. 

Edited November 18, 2021 by Calm

[Calm]

Slam dunk if accurate, I am thinking Melani flew up to Idaho to discuss the plans for the murder attempt in person so less chance of damning evidence being left around, obviously these guys had no clue how phones worked, thank goodness.

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On 9/25/19, Alex Cox takes the Jeep Wrangler registered to Charles Vallow but previously driven by Tylee Ryan and brings it to Dan's Window Tinting in Rexburg. He has the front windows tinted to 20 percent and the rear windows tinted to five percent. This means the back windows let about five percent of light pass through.
- Melani flies from Mesa, AZ to Idaho Falls, ID via Allegiant Airlines on 9/26/19. Meanwhile Alex activates the burner phone.
- On 9/28/19, Alex is located at the gun range and signs the log at United Sportsmens' Gun Club.
- On 9/29/19 Melanie returns to Mesa, AZ.
- 9/30/19 marks the beginning of Alex's road trip in the Jeep Wrangler from Idaho to Arizona. His burner phone calls Chad's burner phone and receives a call from Chad's phone about 21 hours before the attempted murder of Brandon Boudreaux.
- 10/1/19 is the day Lori Vallow rented the storage unit at Self Storage Plus. We've seen the multiple surveillance videos.
- 10/2/19 marks the date of the shooting in Gilbert. Alex's burner phone and Chad's burner phone make contact multiple times. Brandon witnesses the muzzle of a firearm pointed towards his Tesla moments before a shot is fired.
- After his car is hit, Brandon drives off and the Jeep follows him briefly before turning out of the neighborhood.
- From 0919 to 0925 hours, Alex's phone makes two calls to Chad's phone. The throwaway phones also communicate one last time Alex drives near Green River, Utah.
- Between 1325 and 1332 hours that day, Chad and Lori are seen on surveillance bringing in a tire, and single vehicle wheel into storage. Her gmail account searches for keywords like "man shot in gilbert az" and "ave news brandon budreaux."
- Post attempted homicide, Lori and Alex are seen at Self Storage Plus on video removing the single vehicle wheel, tire and what appears to be a backseat.
- On 10/3/19 police interview Melani who denies any knowledge of the shooting and could not explain the details of that day. She confirmed relationships with Alex and Lori but denied being close. She also did not want to share their phone numbers.

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/id-joshua-vallow-7-tylee-ryan-16-tammy-daybell-49-charles-vallow-62-oct-2019-arrests-64.599826/page-8#post-17282010

Edited November 18, 2021 by Calm

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Per GPD’s report, Alex refers to Tylee as the “dark portal” brought to Rexburg. He asks Zulema if she can call a tornado for a single person. She says “maybe an inner tornado.”

Later Zulema says she thinks they will be led to deal with the dark one when it’s time. After 9/8/19, Tylee isn’t mentioned again.

This feels like such a betrayal of poor Tylee.

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/id-joshua-vallow-7-tylee-ryan-16-tammy-daybell-49-charles-vallow-62-oct-2019-arrests-64.599826/page-9#post-17282180

[Calm]

Also from Justin:

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"BRANDON and MELANI began their divorce proceedings on 07/08/2019. MELANI remained the sole-beneficiary on BRANDON'S [redacted] life insurance policy and continued to pay for it despite their divorce."
 

 

[katherine the great]

11 hours ago, Calm said:

On the Oct. 9 attempted shooting of Tammy Daybell police in Arizona said this "... Evidence gathered and processed identified CHAD as the facilitator of the crime and ALEX as the shooter."

Did you catch the part in the series of texts posted where Alex referred to Tammy as “The Warden”? This was after her death. I think it’s pretty clear that Chad must’ve referred to her by those terms to Alex at some point.  I thought I was to the point in my life where nothing surprises me but the callousness and frankly evilness of these people just keeps astonishing me more and more.

[Calm]

On 11/18/2021 at 10:08 AM, katherine the great said:

Did you catch the part in the series of texts posted where Alex referred to Tammy as “The Warden”? This was after her death. I think it’s pretty clear that Chad must’ve referred to her by those terms to Alex at some point.  I thought I was to the point in my life where nothing surprises me but the callousness and frankly evilness of these people just keeps astonishing me more and more.

I have seen someone suggest the warden is a prison warden, less emotionally damning but makes it obvious they recognized the criminality and therefore was murder….though I don’t think it could be anything but since it was clearly anticipated and no surprise afterwards, as in wow!  I really am prophet!

But I think your view it was Chad’s label for Tammy, meaning he felt trapped, his family life was a prison is the correct one. 
 

The only way I can see his kids believing him innocent is that this was all a fraud, maybe set up by LVD, AlC (Alex Cox), and MP, their niece or if they think she is innocent, law enforcement. It is likely easy to believe the last, even that they faked video and text and gps locations, bribed witnesses, faked forensic evidence, if they believe their dad’s whoppers. 

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I will try and remember to find a link later, but apparently LVD gifted her son Colby with her car. 
 

It had trace blood in it. Hopefully nothing, she is prone to nosebleeds or something. If it turned out to be his sister’s blood…that maybe she was giving him the car to get evidence out of the state while acting all caring towards him, they would pay for insurance and such…this young man just it’s so sad. She has messed with his mind his while life.  Such an abusive relationship, but when he was appealing to her, seems like he really loved her. 

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Prior intends to ask cases be severed. Since CD’s kids claim she framed her dad, most likely this is why,  that is going to be his defense, poor baby. 
 

https://detroit.cbslocal.com/video/6160518-dr-oz-asks-news-director-nate-eaton-about-the-possibility-of-lori-vallow-and-chad-daybell-turning-against-each-other/

When did Dr Oz start doing nonmedical stuff?  Anyone know?

Not a fan, just not interested, so don’t watch since Mom stopped watching. Feels like a weird mix, Oz and crime reporting. 

[katherine the great]

56 minutes ago, Calm said:

Prior intends to ask cases be severed. Since CD’s kids claim she framed her dad, most likely this is why,  that is going to be his defense, poor baby. 
 

https://detroit.cbslocal.com/video/6160518-dr-oz-asks-news-director-nate-eaton-about-the-possibility-of-lori-vallow-and-chad-daybell-turning-against-each-other/

When did Dr Oz start doing nonmedical stuff?  Anyone know?

Not a fan, just not interested, so don’t watch since Mom stopped watching. Feels like a weird mix, Oz and crime reporting. 

I was surprised to learn that Oz was a real doctor. He’s so tabloidish and seems to support flat out quackery.  

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23 minutes ago, katherine the great said:

support flat out quackery.

Yeah, I knew he was, Mom had me read some of his stuff so I looked him up. Can’t figure if he just wants stuff to work or looking for attention getters or relies on others to do his research for him and trusts too much or doesn’t care.  Or something else, but frustrating.

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If anyone wants to speculate on whether Melanie Palowski, LVD’s niece, was involved in the attempted murder of her exhusand and the coverup of the deaths of Tylee and JJ, here are the crucial days and facts publicly know so far IMO:

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/id-joshua-vallow-7-tylee-ryan-16-tammy-daybell-49-charles-vallow-62-oct-2019-arrests-64.599826/page-14#post-17288443

[katherine the great]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

If anyone wants to speculate on whether Melanie Palowski, LVD’s niece, was involved in the attempted murder of her exhusand and the coverup of the deaths of Tylee and JJ,

She’s definitely a pretty little liar. She’s also crazy so I’m going with yes. 

[Tacenda]

6 minutes ago, katherine the great said:

She’s definitely a pretty little liar. She’s also crazy so I’m going with yes. 

same

[Calm]

35 minutes ago, katherine the great said:

She’s definitely a pretty little liar. She’s also crazy so I’m going with yes. 

It is really hard to come to a different conclusion now. When she first did her interview I considered it likely she didn’t know about the kids as she didn’t need to know, so why tell her.  But I figured she was always helping with the attempt on her ex. There was a small possibility it was just LVD and AlC getting what they thought of as theirs (a big insurance payout) from someone they saw as interfering with their first try with Charles Vallow, since Brandon had been supporting Vallow with his intervention.  Not now. 
 

I would like to know where she stayed during those three days she was in Idaho, if with LVD or not. I am wondering why she took a tour ofBYU at that time…maybe it was originally meant to look like she was meeting with Tylee there…until it was obvious BYU hadn’t heard of her. 

Edited November 21, 2021 by Calm

[katherine the great]

14 hours ago, Calm said:
 

I would like to know where she stayed during those three days she was in Idaho, if with LVD or not. I am wondering why she took a tour ofBYU at that time…maybe it was originally meant to look like she was meeting with Tylee there…until it was obvious BYU hadn’t heard of her. 

Well she is such a liar who knows if any of that is even true. I guess they could document her flight but who knows what else is true. If she did go to BYU Idaho, she may have been considering enrolling herself as a student or it’s also possible it was just something to go out and do with Lori.  I’m actually not sure she knew that they had killed the kids. But it seems really obvious that she was all in on the assassination attempt on her husband. And if she did find out about the kids I don’t think there’s any doubt that she would have tried to help cover it up out of a warped attempt at loyalty.

[Calm]

4 hours ago, katherine the great said:

I’m actually not sure she knew that they had killed the kids.

Her saying she thought they were around, that JJ was at school doesn’t work for me if she was hanging out with LVD much which is why I want to know where she was staying, but she could have been told they were staying with a friend in hiding and bought it given it sounds like they all were really into conspiracy theories (the claims about her ex, for example).

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I really hope this goes to trial and the redacted stuff gets clarified as well as more gaps filled in. No doubt someone will do a book and research most of this (the blogger known as the Good Lori is working on one, she is a lawyer iirc, so guessing we will get details as well as lengthy analysis. 

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One of the posters on websleuths has tech that is allowing him to hear a conversation between Brandon and some friends that came by for moral support after the attempted murder.  Think it is from body cam of police.  Very interesting, IMO, starts here, they have another one a couple of posts below and plan on adding more.  Might collect it later, but might not.  Tacenda and Katherine, I think you will want to read it and anyone who is invested at all, but I am really interested in the personalities and what was going on in their heads.

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/id-joshua-vallow-7-tylee-ryan-16-tammy-daybell-49-charles-vallow-62-oct-2019-arrests-64.599826/page-17#post-17291088

Also dissecting timing here.

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/id-joshua-vallow-7-tylee-ryan-16-tammy-daybell-49-charles-vallow-62-oct-2019-arrests-64.599826/page-16#post-17290729

They are debating who, if anyone besides Alex Cox, was the driver.  I can’t post there, so explaining here possible options for driver or spotter for those not obsessed and in the know already…I don’t believe we have been given alibis, but I may be wrong as haven’t listened to interviews yet (hearing issues rather past while, have to keep too quiet to hear clearly) for that morning for Zulema P (who married Alex Cox, the shooter), Jason Mow…long shot IMO as he doesn’t seem directly involved or benefiting, or Melanie Gibb…she would be the shocker IMO, as I’ve marked her as “mostly harmless”, though I do think she may have contributed to LVD’s beliefs because she listened, took them seriously, and sounds like she didn’t challenge any of them including predictions of deaths of spouses and the actual circumstances of their deaths until after she was directly asked to lie to the police.  Then her fiancé, I think, helped her see how wrong that was and much of the house of cards came down, though she seems more concerned about LVD than sorrowful about the kids, but she didn’t have a relationship with them, still it is off putting.

Phone and videos show LVD and CD in Idaho and timing for the exwife, Melani Pawlowski, I believe is too tight with Brandon dropping off kids with her, etc.  Think all that is in the latest batch of releases.

Edited November 22, 2021 by Calm

[katherine the great]

4 hours ago, Calm said:

One of the posters on websleuths has tech that is allowing him to hear a conversation between Brandon and some friends that came by for moral support after the attempted murder.

Some thing that jumps out at me from the synopsis is that Melanie was the only one who knew his new address. One of his best friends who was there didn’t even know it before hand. That right there tells me she absolutely knew what was going down and was part of it.

I don’t know what to think about there being a second person present. Since the backseat was removed I don’t see any problem with him shooting and then jumping into the driver seat and driving away quickly. If he had the driver seat all the way back and the passenger seat pulled all the way forward that should give ample room for that maneuver. Alex strikes me as the lone assassin type. A lot of people seem quite sure there was a getaway driver though.

Another interesting tidbit (that I didn’t know about) is that Brandon thought it was a paintball gun originally just like Tammy thought. When he realized it was a real bullet from a real gun he practically passed out. 

[bsjkki]

 

[Calm]

Not verified as someone who actually knows the family (may be lying, maybe not), just offering as a possible insight into his children’s behaviour, posted on Websleuths:

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Pardon me a moment. I follow this case because I know and love the Daybell/ Douglas families. It has been haunting me the last few days that Tammy called for Chad after Alex tried to shoot her. In her Facebook post, anyone can get a taste of Tammy's personality. She contemplated smacking the assailant with the freezer meals she had made at enrichment night. This moment says so much about Tammy. She was funny, joyful, trusting, and always loving and serving her family. She was seriously one of the brightest lights I have ever met. And here's the thing. We know now from reports that Tammy likely knew at least something about the affair and it was still Chad she called on for help. He was actively plotting her murder and she still trusted him and she slept in the same bed with him. That's how unbelievable the idea was to her that he would have anything to do with the shooting. It was an impossibility. I just keep thinking of this as I continue to feel so much love and compassion for Chad and Tammy's kids. I know all of them. They are like their mom. Funny, kind, trusting and such bright lights. This ordeal has been beyond devastating for anyone who comes into contact with this story in any way but especially so for the Daybell children. They, like Tammy was, are still in a position to some degree of turning for help and counsel to the very person that has been causing them all this trauma and grief because to them, the idea that he could be in any way responsible for their mom's death is impossible. I know from the outside it strains credulity that they would be in denial about Chad's part in things but it is because of their goodness and their mother's goodness that they can't see it. They are truly victims, every bit as much as Tammy and my heart breaks for the moment they have to come to terms with the fact that their father not only killed their mother, but then used them to bolster his own defense. They have so much pain ahead of them still. Sorry for the personal nature of this post. I'm just up in the night, sad about this. It took me a long time to believe Chad was guilty. I can't even imagine what this has been for his kids

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/id-joshua-vallow-7-tylee-ryan-16-tammy-daybell-49-charles-vallow-62-oct-2019-arrests-64.599826/page-19#post-17295853

[Tacenda]

An interview with "Anna" who was a member of the Avow group for eight years. She knew Julie Rowe and Chad Daybell, and a few of his children, specifically, Garth and Emma. 

 

 

[Tacenda]

Me!