Music Thread

[poptart]

 

[Stargazer]

On 6/25/2021 at 7:13 PM, Calm said:

Loving this 

Not sure if you're referring to the thread in general (but I agree if that's it), or if this is a reaction to The HU: Song of Women. I can't listen to that song (recently discovered) without getting goosebumps all over. I am not a fan of heavy metal, generally, but The HU is simply amazing. I love the throat singing, but I don't see how they can do it so long. I'd blow my voicebox out if I tried, I think.

[poptart]

3 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

Not sure if you're referring to the thread in general (but I agree if that's it), or if this is a reaction to The HU: Song of Women. I can't listen to that song (recently discovered) without getting goosebumps all over. I am not a fan of heavy metal, generally, but The HU is simply amazing. I love the throat singing, but I don't see how they can do it so long. I'd blow my voicebox out if I tried, I think.

You might like this.

 

Edited June 27, 2021 by poptart

[Stargazer]

27 minutes ago, poptart said:

 

Way cool! I was trying to figure out what language this was in, thought it might be Greek at first, but finally settled on Russian because of the Russian Army officer and some words that I recognized. My Russian is quite limited. Not really worth mentioning.

Russian usually sounds harsh to me, but this sounded quite ... smooth and nice, I guess I'll say.  

[Calm]

22 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

Not sure if you're referring to the thread in general (but I agree if that's it), or if this is a reaction to The HU: Song of Women. I can't listen to that song (recently discovered) without getting goosebumps all over. I am not a fan of heavy metal, generally, but The HU is simply amazing. I love the throat singing, but I don't see how they can do it so long. I'd blow my voicebox out if I tried, I think.

The song and the group

[Stargazer]

17 minutes ago, poptart said:

You might like this.

 

That first one was very nice. Reminded me of the song Sakura Sakura. And a little of some of the music heard in Studio Ghibli films.

The third one was quite beautiful with that fresh young voice. It was good they include subtitles, because otherwise I wouldn't have understood a word. Heh. I didn't understand a thing, but it was very lovely nevertheless.

Japanese is such a beautiful language in some ways, and it seems so complex from what I read about it. The physicist Richard Feynman couldn't get his head around it:

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The physicist Richard Feynman (1918–88), studying Japanese while in postwar Kyoto, rapidly ran into difficulties as his teacher tried to get him to learn three separate words for “see.” When inviting others to see his own garden, he was told to use a word expressing humility, but when requesting to see the gardens at the local temple, his teacher instructed him to use a word indicative of the appropriate respect.

As Feynman put it, the first was equivalent to “Would you like to glance at my lousy garden?” and the second to “May I hang my eyes on your most exquisite gardens?” Frustrated by the apparent redundancy, he decided Japanese wasn’t the language for him and soon gave up. As they have been for many learners, the complexities of honorific language—or keigo—proved to be a major obstacle to the American scientist.

Honorific language covers a wide range of vocabulary, but the use of different words for the same verbs, as above, is one of its trickiest elements. Although Feynman does not give the Japanese words in his anecdote, the first must be goran ni naru (respectful) and the second haiken suru (humble), supplementing the standard miru. As is apparent, they are all entirely different in pronunciation. Many other common verbs also have three forms. (See the table below.)

Japanese isn't the only language with different verbs for the same thing. For example, there is the German words "to eat". If speaking of a human, one uses "essen". If speaking of an animal, one uses "fressen". Woe betide you if you say "Fressen Sie Frühstück?" to a German ("Are you eating breakfast?"). It's like suggesting he's a dog.

[poptart]

12 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

Way cool! I was trying to figure out what language this was in, thought it might be Greek at first, but finally settled on Russian because of the Russian Army officer and some words that I recognized. My Russian is quite limited. Not really worth mentioning.

Russian usually sounds harsh to me, but this sounded quite ... smooth and nice, I guess I'll say.  

Russian is kinda harsh, I agree.  Music from the Latin Church will always be my fav but the Orthodox still does amazing stuff.  Just seeing this, to think this is something like the Pre-schism church.  If you ever go to Alaska check out some of the Orthodox cultural stuff, it's really, um, comfy if that makes sense.  You just don't see that down here esp. with most Contemporary American Christian orgs.   When I was a child up there my father had an insurance claim, one of their insureds hit some 8 year old kid from Sitka, the parents only wanted the medical bills paid for.  If that was down here the parents would have likely sued for everything they could get.  Very Christian thing to do.

 

 

[Stargazer]

2 minutes ago, poptart said:

Russian is kinda harsh, I agree.  Music from the Latin Church will always be my fav but the Orthodox still does amazing stuff.  Just seeing this, to think this is something like the Pre-schism church.  If you ever go to Alaska check out some of the Orthodox cultural stuff, it's really, um, comfy if that makes sense.  You just don't see that down here esp. with most Contemporary American Christian orgs.   When I was a child up there my father had an insurance claim, one of their insureds hit some 8 year old kid from Sitka, the parents only wanted the medical bills paid for.  If that was down here the parents would have likely sued for everything they could get.  Very Christian thing to do.

 

 

I've been to Alaska a couple of times -- the usual tourist destinations of the panhandle: Skagway, Juneau and Ketchikan. Saw a couple of orthodox churches, but time was not in my favor for visiting. I would have enjoyed a visit, I think.

[poptart]

16 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

That first one was very nice. Reminded me of the song Sakura Sakura. And a little of some of the music heard in Studio Ghibli films.

The third one was quite beautiful with that fresh young voice. It was good they include subtitles, because otherwise I wouldn't have understood a word. Heh. I didn't understand a thing, but it was very lovely nevertheless.

Japanese is such a beautiful language in some ways, and it seems so complex from what I read about it. The physicist Richard Feynman couldn't get his head around it:

Japanese isn't the only language with different verbs for the same thing. For example, there is the German words "to eat". If speaking of a human, one uses "essen". If speaking of an animal, one uses "fressen". Woe betide you if you say "Fressen Sie Frühstück?" to a German ("Are you eating breakfast?"). It's like suggesting he's a dog.

Thing with Japanese, as a language and cultural group they are very old, complex and contextual.  The language changed so much from their Jomon period to the Yayoi up to their Heian and beyond.  The Ghibili movie Mononoke Hime?  The Emishi that Ashitaka is a prince of were a real people, the original Japanese who came over when Japan was attached to the continent.  The Ainu are what's left, there are old documents stating how hairy they were and how some had blue eyes, believe it or not.  Add in you had people going over there in waves from what's today Korea and China.  They were on that island for thousands of years so they just merged into what we see today.  On top of that, when Buddhism, Chinese education and what not came over it was modified to fit Japanese culture.  When the Samurai got tired of how the imperial court  made the country bankrupt and took over management, once again huge cultural change.  They went from the flamboyant, "Chinese" culture of the Heian period to the Samurai culture of the  Ashikaga and later on Muromachi period.  Thing with Japanese, you can be as direct or indirect as you want.  Outside of Standard Japanese you have regional differences.  The Osaka dialect of Yoroshiku onigaeshimasu would be Yoroshiku tanomimanga (Darned pleased to meet you).  When you get into the older Japanese literature it's even worse, unless you're a scholar  you'll likely have a hard time understanding the ancient Japanese works.  

Their old music is even more interesting, you can see influences from China and even Vietnam from way back when.  Also, you almost have to know a bit about their history.  Japan is the land of the gods after all.

I grew up having mom read to me hawaiian and Japanese folk tales, a lot of them like Tanabata.  I attached something for that too.  Can't help but think as a kid that made it a lot more difficult for me to assimilate here, as an adult i'm grateful for being exposed to something wholesome and clean.  

Sorry for the blogtext, this stuff is much more my bread and butter than say, Euro things.  The latter I picked up as an adult, the former I grew up with so it's much, much closer to home.   Also here's some of the literature I was talking about.

Man'yōshū - Wikipedia

 

Edited June 27, 2021 by poptart

[Stargazer]

54 minutes ago, poptart said:

Thing with Japanese, as a language and cultural group they are very old, complex and contextual.  The language changed so much from their Jomon period to the Yayoi up to their Heian and beyond.  The Ghibili movie Mononoke Hime?  The Emishi that Ashitaka is a prince of were a real people, the original Japanese who came over when Japan was attached to the continent.  The Ainu are what's left, there are old documents stating how hairy they were and how some had blue eyes, believe it or not.  Add in you had people going over there in waves from what's today Korea and China.  They were on that island for thousands of years so they just merged into what we see today.  On top of that, when Buddhism, Chinese education and what not came over it was modified to fit Japanese culture.  When the Samurai got tired of how the imperial court  made the country bankrupt and took over management, once again huge cultural change.  They went from the flamboyant, "Chinese" culture of the Heian period to the Samurai culture of the  Ashikaga and later on Muromachi period.  Thing with Japanese, you can be as direct or indirect as you want.  Outside of Standard Japanese you have regional differences.  The Osaka dialect of Yoroshiku onigaeshimasu would be Yoroshiku tanomimanga (Darned pleased to meet you).  When you get into the older Japanese literature it's even worse, unless you're a scholar  you'll likely have a hard time understanding the ancient Japanese works.  

Their old music is even more interesting, you can see influences from China and even Vietnam from way back when.  Also, you almost have to know a bit about their history.  Japan is the land of the gods after all.

I grew up having mom read to me hawaiian and Japanese folk tales, a lot of them like Tanabata.  I attached something for that too.  Can't help but think as a kid that made it a lot more difficult for me to assimilate here, as an adult i'm grateful for being exposed to something wholesome and clean.  

Sorry for the blogtext, this stuff is much more my bread and butter than say, Euro things.  The latter I picked up as an adult, the former I grew up with so it's much, much closer to home.   Also here's some of the literature I was talking about.

Man'yōshū - Wikipedia

 

Wow, you know your stuff!

I've seen Mononoke Hime (Princess Mononoke), but the ones I was thinking of was Sen to Chihiro no Kamikakushi (Spirited Away) and Hauru no Ugoku Shiro (Howl's Moving Castle). All in English, of course.

[poptart]

43 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

Wow, you know your stuff!

I've seen Mononoke Hime (Princess Mononoke), but the ones I was thinking of was Sen to Chihiro no Kamikakushi (Spirited Away) and Hauru no Ugoku Shiro (Howl's Moving Castle). All in English, of course.

Sen to Chihiro no Kamikakushi was based off an old folk tale of Chinese origin I think, was basically about some girl taken away by the gods, only to return a while later to find everything changed.  The movie hinted at it when at the end you saw the parents car just covered in weeds.

You might like this, one of my favs.  Japan is an interesting place, they have all these offshoot Buddhist orgs that would be considered cultish here, they make really wholesome stuff.  I wonder why religious orgs here don't do more of that, outside of the LDS church and Catholic church it seems like Christianity here is about business as usual.  

 

[InCognitus]

The song Smokin', from the rock band Boston has been a classic rock radio staple since it was released in 1976.  The keyboard work on this song has always been a favorite of mine.  But one of the great things about Youtube is that it provides a way for us to actually see some great songs performed by some very talented people.  The Band Geeks channel provides some excellent examples of that.

Check out the great keyboard work on this song.  I've always wondered how Boston produced the sound they did, and this gives us a glimpse at how it was done.  It's incredible to watch and it sounds fantastic:

 

[AtlanticMike]

8 hours ago, InCognitus said:

a way for us to actually see some great songs performed by some very talented people

Dang man, If you don't watch the video and just listen to her singing, she's the female version of Boston's lead singer, I think it was Brad Help at the time. She has a perfect voice for that song.

[InCognitus]

8 hours ago, AtlanticMike said:

Dang man, If you don't watch the video and just listen to her singing, she's the female version of Boston's lead singer, I think it was Brad Help at the time. She has a perfect voice for that song.

Yeah, you're absolutely right.  I was so focused on raving about the keyboards in that song that I forgot to talk about the quality of their vocals.  Both the woman (Ann Marie Castellano, the lead singer in Smokin') and her husband (Richie Castellano, the guy playing lead guitar in the same song) have exceptional voices, and they are as versatile in their vocals as they are in their musical instrument abilities.  Richie and a couple of the other guys in some of their recordings actually have played with Blue Oyster Cult (here is a link to them doing Burnin' For You).  

Just to show you their versatile vocal abilities, here are some samples:

Anna Marie singing a Jefferson Starship Cover: Jane

Richie singing a Led Zeppelin cover: Stairway to Heaven

Richie (and others) singing a Queen & David Bowie cover: Under Pressure

And for something completely different, here's Anna Marie (and the group) doing their Disney Princess episodes:

Beauty and the Beast: Belle

Little Mermaid: Part of Your World

They are good at making their voices sound like whoever it is they are covering.

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[Stargazer]

1 hour ago, poptart said:

 

Nice! I was trying to figure out the track names (took the dark blue text at first as track titles). And then I saw "ulrich schnauss" in track 10, and realized that the dark blue text was the artist names! I'm familiar with Schnauss's work, the rest are new to me. That first track is quite enjoyable.

But then, even though I am an old fart, I love Trance, House, Industrial, and so on. My wife can't stand it for long, so I have to listen to it for myself alone. Helps me stay focused when working on intellectual or rote tasks. Being that I am blessed with Attention Deficit Disorder. 

[poptart]

12 hours ago, Stargazer said:

Nice! I was trying to figure out the track names (took the dark blue text at first as track titles). And then I saw "ulrich schnauss" in track 10, and realized that the dark blue text was the artist names! I'm familiar with Schnauss's work, the rest are new to me. That first track is quite enjoyable.

But then, even though I am an old fart, I love Trance, House, Industrial, and so on. My wife can't stand it for long, so I have to listen to it for myself alone. Helps me stay focused when working on intellectual or rote tasks. Being that I am blessed with Attention Deficit Disorder. 

>Ulrich Schnauss

Patrician taste friend, he's one of my favs.  Progressive, trance and the like aren't as popular here stateside as they used to be, tbh the EDM scene here really went down the drain.  Irritates friends and myself a lot, we grew up in such a chill scene, a lot of us went to massives, clubs and small venues just for friends, the music and what not.  Then the idiots discovered it and treated it as an excuse to do as many drugs/get as drunk as possible, etc. as possible.  Sure enough, the shady drug dealers, thugs and lawsuits followed.  Thanks to that, the big names like Sasha, sander kleinenberg. Ferry Corsten (one of my favs) and the other big names only go to the big name clubs and huge EDM venues like EDC Las Vegas and what not.  It's greed but a lot of it is they're fed up with the crap people pull now.

I'd say I wish people had more respect but then I see what people pull at the world cup and I shut my mouth.  The world needs an LDS person or a new saint to EDM and sports, someone to shame people into behaving, if that would work.  I'd pick Darren Styles, he jives with people quite nicely.

 

[Stargazer]

56 minutes ago, poptart said:

I'd say I wish people had more respect but then I see what people pull at the world cup and I shut my mouth.  The world needs an LDS person or a new saint to EDM and sports, someone to shame people into behaving, if that would work.

FWIW, there is an LDS person in EDM. That is Kaskade. Served a full-time mission in Japan. 

 

[poptart]

3 hours ago, Stargazer said:

FWIW, there is an LDS person in EDM. That is Kaskade. Served a full-time mission in Japan. 

 

Kaskade has been one of those favorites i've been meaning to sit down and listen to, guy does awesome sets.  Have a road trip coming up, think I'll get some of his stuff.  

No wonder he's not had half the drama other DJs have had, I remember years ago when Tiesto was Boo'd off the stage at red rocks, Kaskade always seemed to command that aura of talent and respect.

[Stargazer]

8 minutes ago, poptart said:

I remember years ago when Tiesto was Boo'd off the stage at red rocks,

Why on earth was he booed off the stage?

I'll say that I don't "follow" these musicians, just listen to them. Tiesto has been a favorite of mine, btw. Along with Armin van Buuren.

[poptart]

On 7/10/2021 at 3:35 PM, Stargazer said:

Why on earth was he booed off the stage?

I'll say that I don't "follow" these musicians, just listen to them. Tiesto has been a favorite of mine, btw. Along with Armin van Buuren.

Wasn't there, from what I heard he was just doing a horrible job with his set.  A lot of the older names like Tiesto, Paul van Dyk, Oakenfold etc.  had the habit of being full of themselves around the late 2000s/early 2010s and it showed.  Was also around then the EDM scene here really started to change, like everything else.  You could see it with the teenagers who started treating shows like this as an excuse to do as many drugs as possible, pick fights etc.  Anyway, when Tiesto's set came up he was messing up quite a it.  Doing horrible transitions from one track to the next, just poor work in general.  The old EDM scene out here was very much local supported, I know i'd have not acted the way many in the audience did when they decided to start chucking water bottles and what not on stage but thats what happened.  Needless to say the scene here kinda sucks now, I blame the popularization of EDM in the early 2010s.  Don't get me wrong, I liked Avicii and Swedish House Mafia but it was the culture and changes it brought I hated.  As it is now you have to go to the huge venues to see the big names so that means sky high ticket prices.  I can go to a similar show in Mexico or just about anywhere in Europe for less money and likely enjoy a better behaved crowd.  

I dunno, in many ways I think it's the slow decay of American culture mixed in with entitlement and the loss of civility and respect.  Something folks here are still in denial of (in general anyway), once you lose those parts of your society you can't just go to things like social media and wish them back, they take decades if not longer to make.  Once that goes, everything else eventually goes with it.

BTW, old Tiesto Vs. new Tiesto, see the difference?  I mean, the guy is amazing don't get me wrong, he performed at the Olympics in 2004 but he's a far cry from what he was, he just plays to the "party crowd" now.

New Tiesto

 

[Stargazer]

1 hour ago, poptart said:

BTW, old Tiesto Vs. new Tiesto, see the difference?  I mean, the guy is amazing don't get me wrong, he performed at the Olympics in 2004 but he's a far cry from what he was, he just plays to the "party crowd" now.

That first Tiesto you posted, with Andain, that was one of my first introductions to him and EDM in general. Love that video, and the music.

[poptart]

2 hours ago, Stargazer said:

That first Tiesto you posted, with Andain, that was one of my first introductions to him and EDM in general. Love that video, and the music.

Was this that made me a tiesto fan back when.  A good chunk of my friends then were DJs who composed their own stuff, we all took turns hating on him and Oakenfold (Music snobs.....) but this shut us up partially because BT was involved.  

Yes, the EDM scene can be super political, irritating as it is.  As long as we have each other we'll never run out of problems.  This is partially why I've slowly started to just stop caring and try to either get along or do what I do IRL, smile and nod.  People will argue/fight over the dumbest things.

 

Edited July 12, 2021 by poptart

[Stargazer]

3 hours ago, poptart said:

Was this that made me a tiesto fan back when.  A good chunk of my friends then were DJs who composed their own stuff, we all took turns hating on him and Oakenfold (Music snobs.....) but this shut us up partially because BT was involved.  

Yes, the EDM scene can be super political, irritating as it is.  As long as we have each other we'll never run out of problems.  This is partially why I've slowly started to just stop caring and try to either get along or do what I do IRL, smile and nod.  People will argue/fight over the dumbest things.

Paul Oakenfold was also one of my early EDM faves. Here's a nice long melodic performance of his, created in 2018 for the World Cup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4EOgoVMTJ0

Politics of one sort or another is everywhere, unfortunately.

Edited July 12, 2021 by Stargazer

[poptart]

21 hours ago, Stargazer said:

Paul Oakenfold was also one of my early EDM faves. Here's a nice long melodic performance of his, created in 2018 for the World Cup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4EOgoVMTJ0

Politics of one sort or another is everywhere, unfortunately.

Ohhh, had no idea.  Ok, time to take another look at Oakenfold, thanks!

Yep, politics are politics and for the most part they suck.