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rockpond Grand Master

rockpond

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2 minutes ago, Duncan said:

he has read everything! he should know it!!! every nook and cranny too! 

I typed that too fast:  the questions he has are NOT about the published materials — they are about the implications of those published materials.  

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Duncan Grand Master

Duncan

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7 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

Is this statement factually correct? 'Not one facet of our story is the way the church taught it'.

not one is a tall order! every single detail about church history is false, like the Church teaches about Joseph Smith, but in Bill Reel's reality his name was Walter Cronkite and it wasn't in New York it was Florida and he didn't see a vision of God the Father and his son Jesus when in reality he saw the Rockettes😕 Every thing is a lie. My folks weren't sealed in the Cardston Temple in 1978, Bill Reel has special knowledge that they were lying, there is no Cardston Temple, what we see in pictures is the Quiznos in Lethbridge. Somehow Bill Reel knows everything! 

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Hamba Tuhan Grand Master

Hamba Tuhan

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2 minutes ago, Duncan said:

not one is a tall order! every single detail about church history is false ...

It's a pretty clear and testable statement. I know where you stand, Duncan. Still waiting to hear from others. Is it a factual statement or not?

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Tacenda Grand Master

Tacenda

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5 minutes ago, rodheadlee said:

Any particular article you want me to read? 

None in particular, I just googled "Bill Reel Blog" and that is what came up. I was curious to know of his writings. I know he writes lengthy introductions to each podcast, but didn't know if he'd written elsewhere. :)

rodheadlee Grand Master

rodheadlee

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3 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

None in particular, I just googled "Bill Reel Blog" and that is what came up. I was curious to know of his writings. I know he writes lengthy introductions to each podcast, but didn't know if he'd written elsewhere. :)

 I'm sorry I said anything I really don't have time do  any study right now. I spend my whole day crying to Heavenly Father to help me with my life. To help my friends whose brother has passed away and to help the homeless that are around me.

I made that post sitting on a bus stop in a foreign country that I'm forced to live in because of rules and regulations in my home country. Do not choose to live on a boat with two cats you will never find a place to keep your boat.

 Then I find out I'm sitting at the wrong bus stop but it's too late in the day to change buses. 

I had a really good rant post made up  and the internet ate it . So I'm tired and I'm going to bed. The one thing I don't understand is how all of you folks have so much time for dissension. And yes you know who I mean.

 

 

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Tacenda Grand Master

Tacenda

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11 minutes ago, rodheadlee said:

 I'm sorry I said anything I really don't have time do  any study right now. I spend my whole day crying to Heavenly Father to help me with my life. To help my friends whose brother has passed away and to help the homeless that are around me.

I made that post sitting on a bus stop in a foreign country that I'm forced to live in because of rules and regulations in my home country. Do not choose to live on a boat with two cats you will never find a place to keep your boat.

 Then I find out I'm sitting at the wrong bus stop but it's too late in the day to change buses. 

I had a really good rant post made up  and the internet ate it . So I'm tired and I'm going to bed. The one thing I don't understand is how all of you folks have so much time for dissension. And yes you know who I mean.

 

 

You are going to want to clobber me, but your life sounds so exciting compared to mine. Keep on keeping on, and best of luck in finding a place to keep your boat. And I'm so sorry for your friend, and for the homeless but hopefully they've found community that is safe. Take care friend.

Hamba Tuhan Grand Master

Hamba Tuhan

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1 hour ago, SouthernMo said:

I’m open to being wrong. Show me where he is wrong or unfactual, and I will eat my words.

Hi, SoMo. Is this a factual statement? 'Not one facet of our story is the way the church taught it'.

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Tacenda Grand Master

Tacenda

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1 minute ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

Hi, SoMo. Is this a factual statement? 'Not one facet of our story is the way the church taught it'.

That is a pretty big blanketed statement to make, very bold. 

SouthernMo Mentor

SouthernMo

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53 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

As I used to teach my first-year history students during their very first week at university, no facts speak for themselves. Everything we say is interpretation. This whole 'I can't be wrong because all I've done is repeat facts' nonsense is risible, though it has certainly become a meme in the ex- and soon-to-be ex-Latter-day Saint community. 

So is god’s existence a fact?

SouthernMo Mentor

SouthernMo

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3 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

Is it factual?

I thought you didn’t believe in facts?  Hard for me to respond to a question about a concept you don’t believe in.

Tacenda Grand Master

Tacenda

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3 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

Is it factual?

Heck no, I don't know how he can prove a statement like that. But I'm sure he'd agree if he's reading. It's a human mistake to exaggerate.

SouthernMo Mentor

SouthernMo

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57 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

This whole 'I can't be wrong because all I've done is repeat facts' nonsense is risible, though it has certainly become a meme in the ex- and soon-to-be ex-Latter-day Saint community. 

You may be right here.  The people who do study facts will soon leave the church or be asked to leave.

Hamba Tuhan Grand Master

Hamba Tuhan

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13 minutes ago, SouthernMo said:

So is god’s existence a fact?

If God exists, my understanding of Him is still interpretation, as is anything I might say about Him.

11 minutes ago, SouthernMo said:

I thought you didn’t believe in facts?

Who said I don't believe in facts??? I said, if you'll go back and read what I actually wrote, that facts don't speak for themselves.

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Hard for me to respond to a question about a concept you don’t believe in.

Nice dodge. But let me try again: is Mr Reel's statement about Church history factual in your opinion?

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Duncan Grand Master

Duncan

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Just now, SouthernMo said:

You may be right here.  The people who do study facts will soon leave the church or be asked to leave.

That's ridiculous, plain and simple. Was Richard Bushman asked to leave? what about Richard Bennett, Hugh Nibley, James Allen, Susan Easton Black Durrant, Truman Madsen and the list continues

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SouthernMo Mentor

SouthernMo

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9 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

Hi, SoMo. Is this a factual statement? 'Not one facet of our story is the way the church taught it'.

From my perspective, it could be true, but highly unlikely.  I’d like to see the list of all the facets of the story Bill Reel is talking about. Likely, he’s using hyperbole or exaggerating, and thus not completely factual.

Maybe this statement is what he’s under church discipline tomorrow evening for?

smac97 Grand Master

smac97

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2 minutes ago, SouthernMo said:

You may be right here.  The people who do study facts will soon leave the church or be asked to leave.

That hasn't happened to me.  Or my father.  Or brother.  Or many, many other friends and acquaintances.

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Hamba Tuhan Grand Master

Hamba Tuhan

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2 minutes ago, SouthernMo said:

The people who do study facts will soon leave the church or be asked to leave.

Do you genuinely believe this demonstrably untrue statement, or are you just trying to push back? I honestly can't tell.

Hamba Tuhan Grand Master

Hamba Tuhan

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1 minute ago, SouthernMo said:

Likely, he’s using hyperbole or exaggerating, and thus not completely factual.

Or as Mr Reel would label it if he thought an apostle had done the same thing, he's lied. His pants are on fire, even.

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SouthernMo Mentor

SouthernMo

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3 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

Who said I don't believe in facts??? I said, if you'll go back and read what I actually wrote, that facts don't speak for themselves.

Apologies. I mistook your support of the idea that we each have our own perspective, and thus our own realities as an abandonment of facts.

Hamba Tuhan Grand Master

Hamba Tuhan

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Just now, SouthernMo said:

Apologies. I mistook your support of the idea that we each have our own perspective, and thus our own realities as an abandonment of facts.

No worries. I try to be clear, but it doesn't always work ...

Duncan Grand Master

Duncan

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Just now, Hamba Tuhan said:

If God exists, my understanding of His is still interpretation, as is anything I might say about Him.

Who said I don't believe in facts??? I said, if you'll go back and read what I actually wrote, that facts don't speak for themselves.

Nice dodge. But let me try again: is Mr Reel's statement about Church history factual in your opinion?

it's weird Southern Mo asked about God's existence when Bill Reel even said in his "the Testimony of Bill Reel" he has "serious doubts and disbelief regarding the Historical Jesus narrative" but he somehow believes in the "Christ of Faith" what to base his faith on I have no idea because he doesn't seem to believe the scriptures either

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