pogi Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 1 hour ago, FunOnlineMan said: You have to at least accept Jesus, right? Whatever that entails, or however you go about it, that’s the constant, the accepting of the Christ. What would make God more palatable for you? Exaltation for all? The absence of justice? Mercy cannot rob justice, or God would cease to be good/God. 1 hour ago, FunOnlineMan said: I’m saying my confusion keeps me from doing that. The very nature of god stands in my way. This presumes that you understand the very nature of God. I would submit that you don't. That is not to say that you can't. He is always at the door knocking.
Bernard Gui Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 1 hour ago, FunOnlineMan said: I’m sorry if you feel like I’m mocking you. I don’t really want to mock you. I don’t know you, and I’m guessing too much targeting mocking will get me banned. If you’re just accusing me of being disingenuous to discredit my criticism of god, then maybe don’t do that. You seem to overly sensitive about blocking, banning, reluctance to hit the send key, mods, etc. Why is that? Have you been removed from here before.
FunOnlineMan Posted July 17, 2018 Author Posted July 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said: In my first response to you, I expressed reservations about discussing sacred things with you because you had not established a record of corresponding in good will. You have since provided sufficient evidence that my reservations were justified, and that you intend to operate from a position of ill will. That’s an unfortunate way to make your debut here because if this is your modus operandi (your “free form style),” you will find yourself pretty much talking to yourself and a few like-minded disaffected people. Whatever your purpose is for being here (which have not made clear even with the above), you quickly and emphatically reject any responses with which you may disagree with what you seem to think are hip, witty, clever, and devastating (apparently in your mind) retorts. That gets old really fast. On the other hand, you will find many here who would gladly discuss things in a robust atmosphere of mutual respect and honesty....It’s your choice. That said, based on my own lifetime of experiences with the parenthood of God and the Fatherhood of Jesus (as you admit you also do as a result of a dearth of such experiences), I don’t accept your premise. You saying I have ill will is the same as me saying I don’t have ill will. I’m not really too worried about my debut. I have questions and thoughts about god, and I took them to a discussion board for discussion. To your point, my question is why is god giving you a lifetime of experiences while withholding them from others?
FunOnlineMan Posted July 17, 2018 Author Posted July 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said: You seem to overly sensitive about blocking, banning, reluctance to hit the send key, mods, etc. Why is that? Have you been removed from here before. Nice try. It’s because people are accusing me of ill will.
FunOnlineMan Posted July 17, 2018 Author Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, pogi said: What would make God more palatable for you? Exaltation for all? The absence of justice? Mercy cannot rob justice, or God would cease to be good/God. This presumes that you understand the very nature of God. I would submit that you don't. That is not to say that you can't. He is always at the door knocking. I suppose he could just say hello once and a while. That’s a start for me. The other items might be up for discussion, but they may take us down rabbit holes. And you are correct. I don’t understand the very nature of god. My position is that I should. Edited July 17, 2018 by FunOnlineMan
Bernard Gui Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, FunOnlineMan said: Nice try. It’s because people are accusing me of ill will. Perhaps you should try reading your responses from the point of view of those to whom you are projecting your ill will and spend a moment wondering what kind of response you might expect to get back...one that simply strikes back in like manner, one that increases understanding, or one that results in being ignored. Have you been banned before? Edited July 17, 2018 by Bernard Gui
CV75 Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 35 minutes ago, FunOnlineMan said: Of god or of parenting? Parenting of course.
Bernard Gui Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, FunOnlineMan said: You saying I have ill will is the same as me saying I don’t have ill will. I’m not really too worried about my debut. I have questions and thoughts about god, and I took them to a discussion board for discussion. To your point, my question is why is god giving you a lifetime of experiences while withholding them from others? Mirrors are helpful tools. Not all experiences are fun. In fact, most aren’t. How do you know he is withholding them from others? Edited July 17, 2018 by Bernard Gui
FunOnlineMan Posted July 17, 2018 Author Posted July 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Bernard Gui said: Perhaps you should try reading your responses from the point of view of those to whom you are projecting your ill will and spend a moment wondering what kind of response you might expect to get back...one that simply strikes back in like manner, one that increases understanding, or one that results in being ignored. Have you been banned before? I’ve never been banned from this forum. I have certainly been ignored and dismissed, as you mentioned yourself doing earlier. I have posted on forums and seen all the drama involved with banning, etc. I was once banned from the Sean Hannity forums. I didn’t like the process involved. Should I be more open to being banned? I read the rules and regulations of the board, which were pretty clear about things that are frowned upon in the forums. That coupled with the inability to start a topic without a post minimum and people telling me they won’t answer a question because they don’t know me made me feel like the first few days here were probationary.
Bernard Gui Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, FunOnlineMan said: I suppose he could just say hello once and a while. What would you accept as an recognizable and appropriate hello?
Bernard Gui Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, FunOnlineMan said: I’ve never been banned from this forum. I have certainly been ignored and dismissed, as you mentioned yourself doing earlier. I have posted on forums and seen all the drama involved with banning, etc. I was once banned from the Sean Hannity forums. I didn’t like the process involved. Should I be more open to being banned? I read the rules and regulations of the board, which were pretty clear about things that are frowned upon in the forums. That coupled with the inability to start a topic without a post minimum and people telling me they won’t answer a question because they don’t know me made me feel like the first few days here were probationary. Yet you joined anyway. So you must be looking for something from us. What would that be? There are very good specific reasons for limited participation as a new member. What specific things do you do that you fear would get you banned here? Edited July 17, 2018 by Bernard Gui
FunOnlineMan Posted July 17, 2018 Author Posted July 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, CV75 said: Parenting of course. I studied the Love and Logic course, but it was for the classroom. The same principles apply in parenting, though. I think they just tweak the anecdotes. I liked a lot of it. Between that, my personal experiences, and the church model, I can think of any other systems that I’ve looked into.
FunOnlineMan Posted July 17, 2018 Author Posted July 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said: What would you accept as an recognizable and appropriate hello? The usual kind. Maybe he was thinking about me and something I was going through, maybe he misses me, so he reaches out. 2 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said: Yet you joined anyway. So you must be looking for something from us. What would that be? There are very good specific reasons for limited participation as a new member here. What specific things do you do that you fear would get you banned here? I was looking for a free discussion of ideas, which is one of the only redeemable qualities of the internet. I am assuming I would have been banned if there were things I do that would get me banned here.
CV75 Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, FunOnlineMan said: I studied the Love and Logic course, but it was for the classroom. The same principles apply in parenting, though. I think they just tweak the anecdotes. I liked a lot of it. Between that, my personal experiences, and the church model, I can think of any other systems that I’ve looked into. You mentioned you haven’t found a model you feel comfortable following, so you don’t follow any at all. How do you describe what you are doing as a parent, and is it working for you?
FunOnlineMan Posted July 17, 2018 Author Posted July 17, 2018 Just now, CV75 said: You mentioned you haven’t found a model you feel comfortable following, so you don’t follow any at all. How do you describe what you are doing as a parent, and is it working for you? That’s why I asked for clarification. I meant god models when I answered that question. Sorry for the confusion. Then again, I haven’t really found the perfect parenting model either. I think we’re all left to our own devices a bit on that one.
HappyJackWagon Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, FunOnlineMan said: I suppose he could just say hello once and a while. That’s a start for me. The other items might be up for discussion, but they may take us down rabbit holes. And you are correct. I don’t understand the very nature of god. My position is that I should. I don't see much by way of interaction with God, hence my original (snarky yet IMO accurate) response about a God who doesn't really interact or intervene in the lives of his children. For me the "parent" model doesn't make much sense because I don't know any parent who acts like God is purported to act. Well, at least not any good parent. If I am trapped into thinking the only way God could be God is by being a parent, it can create a lot of anger because 1- God would appear to be a huge jerk of a parent or 2- that he must not be there at all. But if I don't think of God necessarily as an involved parent, but rather a source of power/energy/law/science etc, maybe without body parts or passions, then the concept of God doesn't feel so jarring. Instead of atheism I tend to lean more towards the deist philosophy these days, believing in a supreme power but not necessarily knowing what that power is. I think less of God as a person/father because his non-intervention, non-communication upsets me. But if God isn't a parent as I would think of a parent, but rather a creator, a sculptor/artist/artisan whose goals aren't parenting his creations, but simply creating and enjoying those creations from afar and allowing them to grow and develop, then it makes more sense for me. Quote de·ism NOUN belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe. The term is used chiefly of an intellectual movement of the 17th and 18th centuries that accepted the existence of a creator on the basis of reason but rejected belief in a supernatural deity who interacts with humankind. Compare with theism.
FunOnlineMan Posted July 17, 2018 Author Posted July 17, 2018 Just now, HappyJackWagon said: I don't see much by way of interaction with God, hence my original (snarky yet IMO accurate) response about a God who doesn't really interact or intervene in the lives of his children. For me the "parent" model doesn't make much sense because I don't know any parent who acts like God is purported to act. Well, at least not any good parent. If I am trapped into thinking the only way God could be God is by being a parent, it can create a lot of anger because 1- God would appear to be a huge jerk of a parent or 2- that he must not be there at all. But if I don't think of God necessarily as an involved parent, but rather a source of power/energy/law/science etc, maybe without body parts or passions, then the concept of God doesn't feel so jarring. Instead of atheism I tend to lean more towards the deist philosophy these days, believing in a supreme power but not necessarily knowing what that power is. I think less of God as a person/father because his non-intervention, non-communication upsets me. But if God isn't a parent as I would think of a parent, but rather a creator, a sculptor/artist/artisan whose goals aren't parenting his creations, but simply creating and enjoying those creations from afar and allowing them to grow and develop, then it makes more sense for me. What a wonderful can of worms! I want to talk deism with you for sure, just maybe not in this thread. Lemme ponder this.
CV75 Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, FunOnlineMan said: That’s why I asked for clarification. I meant god models when I answered that question. Sorry for the confusion. Then again, I haven’t really found the perfect parenting model either. I think we’re all left to our own devices a bit on that one. What god models are you referring to?
Bernard Gui Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 35 minutes ago, FunOnlineMan said: The usual kind. Maybe he was thinking about me and something I was going through, maybe he misses me, so he reaches out. I was looking for a free discussion of ideas, which is one of the only redeemable qualities of the internet. I am assuming I would have been banned if there were things I do that would get me banned here. Those are pretty evasive answers for a guy who is looking to discuss ideas. Your initial posts have often referred to fear of being banned or displeasing the mods. Do you know anything about the mods here? We have a very free discussion here with just a few restrictions, mostly having to do with temple content and abusive or disrespectful behavior. Do you have a problem refraining from those? If not, you don't have much to fear. If God were to say hello to you (to reach out), what form would that take that you would accept and how would you know it was from God? How would you recognize any attempt by God to communicate with you? How do you know that others are incapable of or deluded into recognizing God's influence in their lives? Edited July 17, 2018 by Bernard Gui
FunOnlineMan Posted July 17, 2018 Author Posted July 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, CV75 said: What god models are you referring to? Different iterations of god. Heavenly Father, the trinity, Vishnu, etc. Does that answer your question? I originally thought you were asking if I’d looked into other gods.
CV75 Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, FunOnlineMan said: Different iterations of god. Heavenly Father, the trinity, Vishnu, etc. Does that answer your question? I originally thought you were asking if I’d looked into other gods. No--I thought this thread was about using a deity as a model for parenting, so I was asking what models you had looked into.
FunOnlineMan Posted July 17, 2018 Author Posted July 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said: Those are pretty evasive answers for a guy who is looking to discuss ideas. Your initial posts have often referred to fear of being banned or displeasing the mods. Do you know anything about the mods here? We have a very free discussion here with just a few restrictions, mostly having to do with temple content and abusive or disrespectful behavior. Do you have a problem refraining from those? If not, you don't have much to fear. If God were to say hello to you, what form would that take and how would you know it was from God? How would you recognize any attempt by God to communicate with you? 5 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said: Those are pretty evasive answers for a guy who is looking to discuss ideas. Your initial posts have often referred to fear of being banned or displeasing the mods. Do you know anything about the mods here? We have a very free discussion here with just a few restrictions, mostly having to do with temple content and abusive or disrespectful behavior. Do you have a problem refraining from those? If not, you don't have much to fear. If God were to say hello to you, what form would that take and how would you know it was from God? How would you recognize any attempt by God to communicate with you? Sorry, but I have proven myself unable to split up quotes, so I had to answer your entire post at once, and now you’ve responded in kind. As a result, I am now confused about which of my answers you think is evasive. As much as this may look like further evasion, I truly don’t know. I didn’t realize I had mentioned the mods so much. I think I made a couple of off-hand remarks about them, but I never felt like I was in any actual danger from them. I assume they take their jobs seriously, but I don’t know, because I don’t even know who they are. I know a couple that I hope they are not, but probably due to me doing all of my posting business here in the chrome app on my janky iPhone, I have not found the mod list. Basic posting is challenging enough for now. I have no problem refraining from discussing prohibited content, but I think disrespectful behavior contains a lot of gray areas. For instance, there is that kenngo dude who keeps feebly trying to insult me, but he seems to be allowed to stay. I might hesitate to reply in kind, though, because I am new, so people may assume my whole intention here is to rile up the Mormons. I certainly have managed to get labeled as ill-willed, despite never directly insulting anyone on here, so it doesn’t feel like a stretch. Does that make more sense? Now, pretend I have the ability to split up these quote boxes… If god really wants to reach out to me, I don’t think I should have to wonder what it will be like or if I would really know it were from god. I do admit freely that I have zero experience with god, so I can’t really come up with my perfect hello. I guess I’d have to see one to judge it. How do you discern communications from your father in heaven?
FunOnlineMan Posted July 17, 2018 Author Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, CV75 said: No--I thought this thread was about using a deity as a model for parenting, so I was asking what models you had looked into. Sorry. I left my question off of the original post. I’ll go add it. edit: I can’t. All is lost Edited July 17, 2018 by FunOnlineMan All is lost
Calm Posted July 17, 2018 Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, FunOnlineMan said: Sorry. I left my question off of the original post. I’ll go add it. edit: I can’t. All is lost The easiest way to split quotes: imo: Quote the entire post. Find the places you want to divide the quote, place the cursor and hit return a few times. That should give you multiple boxes and if you hit return a couple of times it will give you spacing for writing between them. You can backspace delete the boxes with the content you don't want. I don't think it has the name, time stamp, and return to quoted post arrow on any but the first quote box though. Edited July 17, 2018 by Calm 1
FunOnlineMan Posted July 17, 2018 Author Posted July 17, 2018 19 minutes ago, Calm said: The easiest way to split quotes: imo: Quote the entire post. Find the places you want to divide the quote, place the cursor and hit return a few times. You’re beautiful. Thank you 19 minutes ago, Calm said: That should give you multiple boxes and if you hit return a couple of times it will give you spacing for writing between them. You can backspace delete the boxes with the content you don't want. Now I’m just showing off. 19 minutes ago, Calm said: I don't think it has the name, time stamp, and return to quoted post arrow on any but the first quote box though. It appears to keep them as I type this. Either way, this is much better. Thank you so much.
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