MormonVideoGame Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) "LDS Rank High in Marriage, Low in Divorce" compared to other religions. Pew Forum 2014: Mormons (66% married, 19% divorced), Catholics (52% married, 21% divorced), Evangelicals (55% married ,18% divorced), Muslim (41% married, 45% divorced). However, Mormons still need to catch up to Atheists. Only 9% of Atheists are divorced. It's true that only 36% of Atheists are married, but let's multiply 36% and 9% by two. 36% x 2 = 72% && 9% x 2 = 18% ... 19% (Mormons) is still more than 18% (Atheists X 2) Pew data is consistent with The Barna Research Group, which is challenged by Deseret here http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700112586/Christian-divorce-rates-disputed.html Stuff like this makes me wonder if the Bible and the Family Proclamation are really effective. Please note the stats don't control for: 1. Income and poverty 2. 2nd 3rd marriages (Religious people are more likely to marry again) 3. Christians who attend church regularly VS Atheist activists 4. Atheists that used to be religious before getting divorced Edited February 22, 2017 by MormonVideoGame 1
bluebell Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 It would be interesting to know the stats for mormons married in the temple.
bluebell Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 I thought this excerpt from a 2011 USA Today article on the topic was interesting- It’s been proclaimed from pulpits and blogs for years — Christians divorce as much as everyone else in America. But some scholars and family activists are questioning the oft-cited statistics, saying Christians who attend church regularly are more likely to remain wed. “It’s a useful myth,” said Bradley Wright, a University of Connecticut sociologist who recently wrote “Christians Are Hate-Filled Hypocrites … and Other Lies You’ve Been Told.” “Because if a pastor wants to preach about how Christians should take their marriages more seriously, he or she can trot out this statistic to get them to listen to him or her.” The various findings on religion and divorce hinge on what kind of Christians are being discussed. Wright combed through the General Social Survey, a vast demographic study conducted by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago, and found that Christians, like adherents of other religions, have a divorce rate of about 42%. The rate among religiously unaffiliated Americans is 50%. When Wright examined the statistics on evangelicals, he found worship attendance has a big influence on the numbers. Six in 10 evangelicals who never attend had been divorced or separated, compared to just 38% of weekly attendees. […]Brad Wilcox, director of the National Marriage Project at the University of Virginia, agrees there’s been some confusion. “You do hear, both in Christian and non-Christian circles, that Christians are no different from anyone else when it comes to divorce and that is not true if you are focusing on Christians who are regular church attendees,” he said. Wilcox’s analysis of the National Survey of Families and Households has found that Americans who attend religious services several times a month were about 35% less likely to divorce than those with no religious affiliation. Nominal conservative Protestants, on the other hand, were 20% more likely to divorce than the religiously unaffiliated. “There’s something about being a nominal ‘Christian’ that is linked to a lot of negative outcomes when it comes to family life,” Wilcox said. Here's the full article. It's not much more than the part that's been quoted. 3
stemelbow Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 I didn't know Muslims got divorced so dang much. Divorce is a religious event, I guess. Wouldn't of thunk it. I wonder how many divorced atheists were religiously affiliated when they were married and then divorced then turned to the enlightened world of atheism. Some number of that 9% had to be LDS at some point, and were possibly temple married. 1
Ahab Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) 24 minutes ago, MormonVideoGame said: "LDS Rank High in Marriage, Low in Divorce" compared to other religions. Pew Forum 2014: Mormons (66% married, 19% divorced), Catholics (52% married, 21% divorced), Evangelicals (55% married ,18% divorced), Muslim (41% married, 45% divorced). However, Mormons still need to catch up to Atheists. Only 9% of Atheists are divorced. It's true that only 36% of Atheists are married, but let's multiply 36% and 9% by two. 36% x 2 = 72% && 9% x 2 = 18% ... 19% (Mormons) is still more than 18% (Atheists X 2) Pew data is consistent with The Barna Research Group, which is challenged by Deseret here http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700112586/Christian-divorce-rates-disputed.html Stuff like this makes me wonder if the Bible and the Family Proclamation are really effective. Atheists seem (not proven) to be taking marriage more seriously than religious people. Yeah but consider that we believe our marriages will endure forever and that atheists think their marriages end at death. It's a whole other level of commitment and says a lot when so relatively few of us get divorced. Edited February 22, 2017 by Ahab I hate typos. 1
stemelbow Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, bluebell said: I thought this excerpt from a 2011 USA Today article on the topic was interesting- It’s been proclaimed from pulpits and blogs for years — Christians divorce as much as everyone else in America. But some scholars and family activists are questioning the oft-cited statistics, saying Christians who attend church regularly are more likely to remain wed. “It’s a useful myth,” said Bradley Wright, a University of Connecticut sociologist who recently wrote “Christians Are Hate-Filled Hypocrites … and Other Lies You’ve Been Told.” “Because if a pastor wants to preach about how Christians should take their marriages more seriously, he or she can trot out this statistic to get them to listen to him or her.” The various findings on religion and divorce hinge on what kind of Christians are being discussed. Wright combed through the General Social Survey, a vast demographic study conducted by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago, and found that Christians, like adherents of other religions, have a divorce rate of about 42%. The rate among religiously unaffiliated Americans is 50%. When Wright examined the statistics on evangelicals, he found worship attendance has a big influence on the numbers. Six in 10 evangelicals who never attend had been divorced or separated, compared to just 38% of weekly attendees. […]Brad Wilcox, director of the National Marriage Project at the University of Virginia, agrees there’s been some confusion. “You do hear, both in Christian and non-Christian circles, that Christians are no different from anyone else when it comes to divorce and that is not true if you are focusing on Christians who are regular church attendees,” he said. Wilcox’s analysis of the National Survey of Families and Households has found that Americans who attend religious services several times a month were about 35% less likely to divorce than those with no religious affiliation. Nominal conservative Protestants, on the other hand, were 20% more likely to divorce than the religiously unaffiliated. “There’s something about being a nominal ‘Christian’ that is linked to a lot of negative outcomes when it comes to family life,” Wilcox said. Here's the full article. It's not much more than the part that's been quoted. Well yeah it's embarrassing for church goers to get divorced. Once they get divorced they probably tend to stop attending. Who wants to deal with the shame? And who wants to still see their ex at Church each week?
JLHPROF Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 The most interesting number here for me is that only 9% of atheists are divorced. That's a bit surprising. But all of the other numbers are exactly what I would expect. And of course Mormon marriage numbers are higher. Marriage is a requirement in our religion. And it's really sad that we have a 19% divorce rate. It will be interesting to see how many sealed couples will find that God didn't acknowledge their divorce in the next life.... 1
stemelbow Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Ahab said: Yeah bit consider that we believe our marriages will endure forever and that atheists think their marriages end at death. It's a whole other level of commitment and says a lot when so relatively few of us get divorced. It's probably pretty prescient to avoid marriage altogether than have to deal with the pain and associated loss of divorce.
Ahab Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 1 minute ago, stemelbow said: It's probably pretty prescient to avoid marriage altogether than have to deal with the pain and associated loss of divorce. Only if marriage always led to divorce, which it doesn't. Many married couples never ever experience any divorce. 1
stemelbow Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: The most interesting number here for me is that only 9% of atheists are divorced. That's a bit surprising. But all of the other numbers are exactly what I would expect. And of course Mormon marriage numbers are higher. Marriage is a requirement in our religion. And it's really sad that we have a 19% divorce rate. It will be interesting to see how many sealed couples will find that God didn't acknowledge their divorce in the next life.... Ok I just looked at the Chart again. There aren't 19% of LDS adults that are divorced. There are 7% of adults that were currently divorced or separated. The OP misled us. There are 19% of adult LDS that have not been married. Who knows how many married LDS were also once divorced. Can't say. There aren't 45% adult Muslims that are divorced separated. There are 8%, about the same as LDS. Hindus get the best marks for those currently divorced or separated with only 5% of adults in such a sitch. I forget always look at the link before commenting. 2
MormonVideoGame Posted February 22, 2017 Author Posted February 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, bluebell said: But some scholars and family activists are questioning the oft-cited statistics, saying Christians who attend church regularly are more likely to remain wed. correlation is not causation, you ignore that many wed couples that are about to get divorce stop going to church. 14 minutes ago, bluebell said: The rate among religiously unaffiliated Americans is 50%. unaffiliated are not necessarily atheists.
MormonVideoGame Posted February 22, 2017 Author Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) 26 minutes ago, stemelbow said: Some number of that 9% had to be LDS at some point, and were possibly temple married. Yes! certainly Christian. Good point. I wonder what is the divorce rate of Atheists that were never part of a religious organization. Probably like 1%. Edited February 22, 2017 by MormonVideoGame
MormonVideoGame Posted February 22, 2017 Author Posted February 22, 2017 19 minutes ago, bluebell said: But some scholars and family activists are questioning the oft-cited statistics, saying Christians who attend church regularly are more likely to remain wed. Unfortunately there are no stats that compare highly devout religious people with Atheists activists.
The Nehor Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 3 hours ago, MormonVideoGame said: Yes! certainly Christian. Good point. I wonder what is the divorce rate of Atheists that were never part of a religious organization. Probably like 1%. Since we are making up statistics I bet the divorce statistics for those who truly love God is 0% and atheists get eaten by bears at 300% the rate of the religious. Wow, this is fun! 3
carbon dioxide Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 4 hours ago, MormonVideoGame said: "LDS Rank High in Marriage, Low in Divorce" compared to other religions. Pew Forum 2014: Mormons (66% married, 19% divorced), Catholics (52% married, 21% divorced), Evangelicals (55% married ,18% divorced), Muslim (41% married, 45% divorced). However, Mormons still need to catch up to Atheists. Only 9% of Atheists are divorced. It's true that only 36% of Atheists are married, but let's multiply 36% and 9% by two. 36% x 2 = 72% && 9% x 2 = 18% ... 19% (Mormons) is still more than 18% (Atheists X 2) These numbers do not add up to me. If what they say is true about 50% of marriages end in divorce and none of these groups post a figure above 50%, who is driving up the divorce rate? 1
The Nehor Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 1 minute ago, carbon dioxide said: These numbers do not add up to me. If what they say is true about 50% of marriages end in divorce and none of these groups post a figure above 50%, who is driving up the divorce rate? Multiple marriage people. I know a girl on her seventh. I am down in the office pool for this one lasting five months. 1
Ahab Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 12 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Since we are making up statistics I bet the divorce statistics for those who truly love God is 0% and atheists get eaten by bears at 300% the rate of the religious. Wow, this is fun! Are you married yet? Hurry up and start making babies with any woman who will have you. We need more funny people in this world like you. 1
Jeanne Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 1 hour ago, The Nehor said: Multiple marriage people. I know a girl on her seventh. I am down in the office pool for this one lasting five months. Wait...wait...are then named Henry by any chance.?? She has one more to go so you are probably right!
The Nehor Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Ahab said: Are you married yet? Hurry up and start making babies with any woman who will have you. We need more funny people in this world like you. Haven't had a date in over nine months and my standards haven't quite fallen to any women who will have me. Not yet anyways. Give it another few years.
MormonVideoGame Posted February 23, 2017 Author Posted February 23, 2017 (edited) Does someone have any evidence that regular church attendance really strengthens most religious couples in the long-run? Of course happy religious couples like to go to church, but I am more interested in long-term effects. Peer-reviewed studies please Edited February 23, 2017 by MormonVideoGame
Popular Post canard78 Posted February 23, 2017 Popular Post Posted February 23, 2017 13 hours ago, MormonVideoGame said: "LDS Rank High in Marriage, Low in Divorce" compared to other religions. Pew Forum 2014: Mormons (66% married, 19% divorced), Catholics (52% married, 21% divorced), Evangelicals (55% married ,18% divorced), Muslim (41% married, 45% divorced). However, Mormons still need to catch up to Atheists. Only 9% of Atheists are divorced. It's true that only 36% of Atheists are married, but let's multiply 36% and 9% by two. 36% x 2 = 72% && 9% x 2 = 18% ... 19% (Mormons) is still more than 18% (Atheists X 2) Pew data is consistent with The Barna Research Group, which is challenged by Deseret here http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700112586/Christian-divorce-rates-disputed.html Stuff like this makes me wonder if the Bible and the Family Proclamation are really effective. Has anyone point out to VideoGameJunkie (oops, I mean MormonVideoGame) that his stats are just wrong. I'd suggest you re-check your sources MVG. 7% of Mormons were divorced or separated at the time of the survey. 19% is the number who have never married. It's also not "have ever been divorced." The survey question is about your current status "one code only" so it's not about "ever." 9% of Atheists, on the other hand, were divorced/separated. So they're less likely to be married at all (36%) and slightly more likely to be divorced. On a base of 661 and 1093 respectively, the 9% figure is not even statistically significantly different to 7% (at 95% or even 90% confidence). This is a pointless conversation given the premise of it is based on misreading the data. Read the survey: http://www.pewforum.org/files/2015/11/201.11.03_RLS_II_questionnaire.pdf Read the actual data! 5
BlueDreams Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 4 hours ago, canard78 said: Has anyone point out to VideoGameJunkie (oops, I mean MormonVideoGame) that his stats are just wrong. I'd suggest you re-check your sources MVG. 7% of Mormons were divorced or separated at the time of the survey. 19% is the number who have never married. It's also not "have ever been divorced." The survey question is about your current status "one code only" so it's not about "ever." 9% of Atheists, on the other hand, were divorced/separated. So they're less likely to be married at all (36%) and slightly more likely to be divorced. On a base of 661 and 1093 respectively, the 9% figure is not even statistically significantly different to 7% (at 95% or even 90% confidence). This is a pointless conversation given the premise of it is based on misreading the data. Read the survey: http://www.pewforum.org/files/2015/11/201.11.03_RLS_II_questionnaire.pdf Read the actual data! Thanks, I definitely like me some real data.19% felt way too high for the circles I know of. This makes more sense. For those slow to look at the data, the faith categories that have a divorce rate in the single digits are as follows: Hindu (5%) Historically black protestant (9%) Jewish (9%) Mormon (7%) Muslim (8%) Orthodox Christian (9%) Of those, the only two that have marriage above 60% are us and Hindus. Considering hindus probably also have a higher likelihood for arranged marriages and we do not, that is pretty interesting that we both beat them out in the marriage rate as well as in the amount of people unmarried (32% hindu v 19% mormon) (this may have to do, though with demographic concerns.....such as immigration status). Fun note: Mormons, Hindus, and muslims have the lowest cohabitation percentage (3,4, and 4%) respectively. The atheist number is interesting, but there's also a few things that may distort those numbers. Specifically, the overall age, the disproportionate level of education, the disproportionate amount of white people, the small percentage that are parents (22%), and the very high disproportion of males v. females who ID as atheist. Some of these LDS have these as well, but either way demographics, stressors more likely to effect minority communities and their marriages, and overall reduced stress from children, could all play an effect and do in marriages. Obviously religious affiliation plays a role in marriage. But one could read several things into these numbers and he full burden of marriage and divorce doesn't necessarily fall solely on the shoulders of religion. For example mainline protestant and historically black protestant have drastically different numbers between people married and never married and a slight difference between divorce rates (19% MBP v. 12% MP). This isn't likely from some differences in bible reading or a difference in views on marriage and more to do with community stresses. With luv, BD 2
rodheadlee Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 18 hours ago, MormonVideoGame said: Yes! certainly Christian. Good point. I wonder what is the divorce rate of Atheists that were never part of a religious organization. Probably like 1%. The number is low because they have an open marriage. There is no stigma attached to adultery.
bcuzbcuz Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 14 hours ago, The Nehor said: Multiple marriage people. I know a girl on her seventh. I am down in the office pool for this one lasting five months. Why do you even care? Are you hoping to be next in line?
bcuzbcuz Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, rodheadlee said: The number is low because they have an open marriage. There is no stigma attached to adultery. CFR. Show me the stats that atheists have open marriages....or are you just making this up?
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