Scott Lloyd Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 34 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said: That's very standard stuff for a new president. Here's what Obama did on January 20, 2009: I wish you would fix your formatting. When it's wide like that it makes it hard to read on an iPod.
MiserereNobis Posted January 21, 2017 Author Posted January 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Scott Lloyd said: I wish you would fix your formatting. When it's wide like that it makes it hard to read on an iPod. Looks just fine to me on my MacBook. All I did was copy and paste from the NYTimes article. I'm sorry it's not working for you.
Scott Lloyd Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 2 hours ago, The Nehor said: Which was, in my opinion, a bad idea. Offering specific incentives is a bad precedent to set. Do I need some tax breaks? Threaten to move to Mexico. It was also not a federal responsibility. It was more something the states should be doing and the benefits were on the state level. Pence deserved the credit there if credit is due. I do not want a president down in the weeds individually negotiating with businesses so he can brag about it on Twitter. His position is situated to fix systemic issues and make large scale beneficial adjustments. This has less of an immediate payoff which is why I expect our gloryhound president to prefer saving a couple of hundred jobs by negotiating rather then thousands or tens of thousands through sound policy adjustment. The latter is harder to brag about on Twitter. Hard to do much systemic stuff while you're still president-elect. He did what he could as soon as he could in the position he was in. Saving jobs is a good use of tax incentives, say I. And if I understand his doctrine that's not all there is to it. There will be tariffs for companies to pay if they have their products made abroad. A carrot-and-stick approach. It becomes a cost-benefit matter to them. Trump is a businessman; he understands their thinking. 3
Scott Lloyd Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said: Looks just fine to me on my MacBook. All I did was copy and paste from the NYTimes article. I'm sorry it's not working for you. The one thing works but the other doesn't. When you paste, doesn't the program give you a thing to click on to remove the formatting?
Duncan Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 Just now, Scott Lloyd said: Hard to do much systemic stuff while you're still president-elect. He did what he could as soon as he could in the position he was in. Saving jobs is a good use of tax incentives, say I. And if I understand his doctrine that's not all there is to it. There will be tariffs for companies to pay if they have their products made abroad. A carrot-and-stick approach. It becomes a cost-benefit matter to them. Trump is a businessman; he understands their thinking. Why is there a Trump dump in Toronto? and in other international places? Practice what he preaches, "You can't build or import from other countries, that's only for me and I don't need the competition" In Toronto though it's failing 1
MiserereNobis Posted January 21, 2017 Author Posted January 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: The one thing works but the other doesn't. When you paste, doesn't the program give you a thing to click on to remove the formatting? I didn't notice it but I'll look for it next time I paste.
Yirgacheffe Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 11 hours ago, Tacenda said: When I think about it, we've had good presidents that were unfaithful to their wives before But we haven't had presidents who said they groped women's crotches and kissed kissed them without invitation before, that's a lot different than a mutually agreed on sexual relationship. Who here is okay with a man copping a feel from their collage age daughter? 2
Yirgacheffe Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 8 hours ago, Buckeye said: Not the best recipe for DC politics Isn't that the recipe for DC politics?
Yirgacheffe Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 8 hours ago, Buckeye said: Trump does bring a lot of business experience. Oh look, he's already putting it to good use:"White House website promotes Melania Trump’s modeling and jewelry line" (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/01/20/white-house-website-promotes-melania-trumps-modeling-and-jewelry-line/?postshare=8591484945823127&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.611e014921f2) Well the office as marketing tool what a surprise. 1
Yirgacheffe Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 3 hours ago, Jeanne said: I agree and hope that the President will refrain from doing this in the future. Well he hasn't refrained from doing before so I don't see why he'll change.
Teancum Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 11 hours ago, snowflake said: I thought that the BOM and the brethren had agreed that the Catholic church was the Church of Satan....no? You referred a quote to me I did mention t make.
cdowis Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Yirgacheffe said: But we haven't had presidents who said they groped women's crotches and kissed kissed them without invitation before, We also haven't had a president who betrayed Israel at the UN, allowed the IRS to interfere with lawful registration of specific political groups (Tea Party), go on a fund raising trip while allowing his ambassador and his defenders to be killed after 12 hours of being ignored and the rescuers were sitting on the tarmac trying to decide which uniforms to wear...................need I go on and on and on??? I guess it all depends on your perspective. (Don't bother. I have already reported myself to the mods) Edited January 21, 2017 by cdowis 1
SteveO Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 I imagine this thread is going to get shut down soon...but for anyone interested, History Channel ran a really good documentary on Trump that is totally changing the way I view the man--he actually did some pretty incredible/admirable things. He's also on record in his 20's saying how he wished he could be president and how he'd dedicate his life for the opportunity to serve the country. Maybe the guy will do some good after all? Better to hope for that outcome than despair... 2
boblloyd91 Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 7 hours ago, SteveO said: I imagine this thread is going to get shut down soon...but for anyone interested, History Channel ran a really good documentary on Trump that is totally changing the way I view the man--he actually did some pretty incredible/admirable things. He's also on record in his 20's saying how he wished he could be president and how he'd dedicate his life for the opportunity to serve the country. Maybe the guy will do some good after all? Better to hope for that outcome than despair... I'm with John Wayne who said of JFK "I didn't vote for him but he's now my president". I hope he makes good decisions that bless the country, and my fears are proven wrong. 2
Gray Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 11 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: So by my calculation, Trump has been in office half a work day and has already had a couple of cabinet appointments confirmed by Congress, signed a document to roll back Obamacare and another document declaring a freeze on regulatory measures pending a review. This on top of all the stuff involved in the inauguration. Wish all my days were that productive. Did you mean to say destructive? 2
JulieM Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 9 hours ago, Yirgacheffe said: But we haven't had presidents who said they groped women's crotches and kissed kissed them without invitation before, that's a lot different than a mutually agreed on sexual relationship. You have a short memory. Maybe Bill Clinton hasn't "said" he's done all he's been accused of by numerous women, but he's owned up to some of it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_sexual_misconduct_allegations "Juanita Broaddrick accused Clinton of rape; Kathleen Willey accused Clinton of groping her without consent; and Paula Jones accused Clinton of exposing himself and sexually harassing her." 2
thesometimesaint Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 19 hours ago, snowflake said: Agreed, both sides attack the other as wrong, which is fine. Getting upset by Jeffrees' view of Mormonism should not be a shock to the LDS. Just look at Joseph and Brigham's views of all non LDS churches, equally as intolerant. Like this? I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
thesometimesaint Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 19 hours ago, stemelbow said: What does the Church say? The verse seems clear to say everyone not of the unseen Church of the Firstborn make up the other church which is the whore of all the earth. That there is only two churches The Church of the Devil, and the Church of the lamb of God. That members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Later-day Saints can belong in either. That members of other churches can belong to either.
thesometimesaint Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 17 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: He did strike that deal with Carrier in late November that prevented jobs from being moved to Mexico. There has been some dispute since to the the effect that he didn't save as many jobs as initially claimed, but it is worthy of consideration when assessing whether there are indications he will keep his promises. This is consistent with a note he struck in his inauguration speech today about keeping jobs from being exported away from the United States. The Carrier Deal was done by Governor Pence. SEE http://www.mediaite.com/online/union-points-out-trumps-carrier-deal-only-saved-730-factory-jobs-not-more-than-a-thousand/
Sleeper Cell Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 On Friday, January 20, 2017 at 5:46 AM, MiserereNobis said: The point is not whether or not Mormons or Catholics will come up in this particular sermon. The point is that right before taking the oath of office, Trump will hear a sermon by someone who thinks that you're a cult, that you a worship a different God, and that your beliefs come from the pit of hell. Someone who urged Christians not to vote for Romney simply because he was Mormon. As Calm says, it was a poor choice, because 1) it is yet another confirmation that Trump doesn't mind the company of bigots, and 2) what advice will such a person give Trump right before he becomes president? So Trump invited an anti-Mormon pastor and the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. And heard from both “right before taking the oath of office.” Sounds more like “diversity” than bigotry.
Sleeper Cell Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 19 hours ago, Buckeye said: If anything, Trump is very consistent in rewarding loyalty and remember slights. Not the best recipe for DC politics. Abe Lincoln, he isn’t. I agree that this particular pastor was probably invited to reward loyalty. And we both can cite instances of Trump’s petty behavior (and worse) in response to slights. But, in view of the Deseret News editorial calling him to drop out of the race, how is inviting the Mormon Tabernacle Choir consistent with "rewarding loyalty and remembering slights?" 1
thesometimesaint Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 Kissing babies might work in politics, but there is more criteria to Machiavellian politics than just that.
The Nehor Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 15 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: Hard to argue with results. And whether Trump or Pence gets the credit is a quibble. It's the same administration. I can easily argue with exaggerated temporary results.
The Nehor Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Sleeper Cell said: Abe Lincoln, he isn’t. I agree that this particular pastor was probably invited to reward loyalty. And we both can cite instances of Trump’s petty behavior (and worse) in response to slights. But, in view of the Deseret News editorial calling him to drop out of the race, how is inviting the Mormon Tabernacle Choir consistent with "rewarding loyalty and remembering slights?" It is not. Trump ended up scraping the bottom of the barrel though to find groups to even show up. He did win Utah though so in that sense he was rewarding loyalty.
The Nehor Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 13 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: Hard to do much systemic stuff while you're still president-elect. He did what he could as soon as he could in the position he was in. Saving jobs is a good use of tax incentives, say I. And if I understand his doctrine that's not all there is to it. There will be tariffs for companies to pay if they have their products made abroad. A carrot-and-stick approach. It becomes a cost-benefit matter to them. Trump is a businessman; he understands their thinking. The jobs saved are very temporary. The plant announced they would use their tax break to modernize the plant. That is code for needing less workers to run it. Trump is a showman and a flashy negotiator, I have yet to see in his history or actions any stunning business acumen. I can tell you I would never do business with him. I am sure he is a spirited negotiator but I would not trust a word he says due to his repeated lies and fraudulent business practices. 2
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