Damien the Leper Posted September 30, 2016 Posted September 30, 2016 On 9/26/2016 at 7:20 PM, mfbukowski said: Are you still Catholic or Orthodox? Nope. I've jumped ship. I can't be in the sinking boat of theism. IMO, of course.
Damien the Leper Posted September 30, 2016 Posted September 30, 2016 On 9/24/2016 at 11:30 AM, notHagoth7 said: So, with similar logic, because an outgrowth of ancient Christianity (medieval Christianity) abused and slaughtered tens of thousands, we should all reject the premise of original Christianity? If your grandchild becomes a degenerate, we should denounce and repudiate you as well? Etc., etc. Meanwhile, I know almost nothing about what the societies you mention here supposedly are, do, and/or have done. Some say the same of ancient Judaic symbolism. Yet, such things quietly spoke of things which people were to internalize/do/become. And especially spoke of greater things which would one day be fulfilled by Another. So I respectfully differ with your assertion that weighty things such as ceremonial symbolism are somehow nonsense ("utter" or otherwise). Theism is merely a cultural adaptation carried on through tradition. Religious symbolism means nothing to me outside academic study. Your analogy, as poorly hypothetical as it is, doesn't work for me. I'm never having kids therefore no grandchildren. How people choose to remember or regard me is their problem and not mine.
mfbukowski Posted September 30, 2016 Posted September 30, 2016 2 hours ago, Valentinus said: Nope. I've jumped ship. I can't be in the sinking boat of theism. IMO, of course. You're the only person I know that has been in more religions than me
Damien the Leper Posted September 30, 2016 Posted September 30, 2016 11 hours ago, mfbukowski said: You're the only person I know that has been in more religions than me I know. I was trying too hard to find something to believe. It's exhausting. So why not atheism? It requires so little of my time.
cdowis Posted October 1, 2016 Posted October 1, 2016 (edited) 20 hours ago, Valentinus said: I know. I was trying too hard to find something to believe. It's exhausting. So why not atheism? It requires so little of my time. But why would you want to live in a squalid hovel when you could live in a magnificent mansion for eternity. Edited October 1, 2016 by cdowis
Damien the Leper Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 On 10/1/2016 at 6:45 AM, cdowis said: But why would you want to live in a squalid hovel when you could live in a magnificent mansion for eternity. The universe is my mansion. I share it with many. Including you, cdowis. There is nothing more spectacular than being part of this beautiful expanse. Not even a finite being, such as God, could have designed such magnificence. God is three dimensional. The universe is like an icosahedron with dimensions beyond our imaginations. Why settle for God when we can be part of so much more?
mfbukowski Posted October 3, 2016 Posted October 3, 2016 On 9/30/2016 at 10:36 AM, Valentinus said: I know. I was trying too hard to find something to believe. It's exhausting. So why not atheism? It requires so little of my time. Yeah I tried that too but those stupid religious experiences would not go away. I tried to ignore then but then gave up. 1
mfbukowski Posted October 3, 2016 Posted October 3, 2016 On 10/2/2016 at 10:41 AM, Valentinus said: The universe is my mansion. I share it with many. Including you, cdowis. There is nothing more spectacular than being part of this beautiful expanse. Not even a finite being, such as God, could have designed such magnificence. God is three dimensional. The universe is like an icosahedron with dimensions beyond our imaginations. Why settle for God when we can be part of so much more? Why be a part when you can make your own? What dimensions would you add?
Damien the Leper Posted October 11, 2016 Posted October 11, 2016 On 10/3/2016 at 11:21 AM, mfbukowski said: Why be a part when you can make your own? What dimensions would you add? What makes one think that infinite expanse needs another? There is undefined glory to that which we are a part of. Why not revel in that majesty? I don't feel small in this. I feel greatness in it.
Bernard Gui Posted October 11, 2016 Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) On 10/2/2016 at 10:41 AM, Valentinus said: The universe is my mansion. I share it with many. Including you, cdowis. There is nothing more spectacular than being part of this beautiful expanse. Not even a finite being, such as God, could have designed such magnificence. God is three dimensional. The universe is like an icosahedron with dimensions beyond our imaginations. Why settle for God when we can be part of so much more? The two are not mutually exclusive. I settle for a God who is going to let me play in his playground. That's better than observing it for a few years and then going away to nowhere. God's playground: http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap161011.html I wanna play! Edited October 11, 2016 by Bernard Gui 2
theplains Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 On 30/09/2016 at 1:36 PM, Valentinus said: I know. I was trying too hard to find something to believe. It's exhausting. So why not atheism? It requires so little of my time. I don't have enough faith to be atheist or agnostic. Jim 1
Calm Posted October 23, 2016 Posted October 23, 2016 Why did you lie when you signed up for the board, agreeing to the guidelines and now have violated them? You will more than likely be banned for doing so, but that might not be new to you. The poster is banned. Thank you for the notice.
Curious_About_Everything Posted October 23, 2016 Posted October 23, 2016 2 hours ago, Calm said: Why did you lie when you signed up for the board, agreeing to the guidelines and now have violated them? You will more than likely be banned for doing so, but that might not be new to you. BANNED BEHAVIORS include but are not limited to:• Insulting language, or statements meant to do nothing more than provoke others• Telling others how to behave or “net nannying” (Instead report objectionable content)
Isaiah Posted October 23, 2016 Posted October 23, 2016 6 hours ago, Calm said: Why did you lie when you signed up for the board, agreeing to the guidelines and now have violated them? You will more than likely be banned for doing so, but that might not be new to you. you sound like anything but "calm" (the name you chose to use) btw - I'm sorry if truth offends you and the reply I made that offended you so - had (2) different perspectives, (which btw aren't mine at all). I was just giving you and others 2 different views on the subject.
Calm Posted October 23, 2016 Posted October 23, 2016 (edited) 10 hours ago, Curious_About_Everything said: BANNED BEHAVIORS include but are not limited to:• Insulting language, or statements meant to do nothing more than provoke others• Telling others how to behave or “net nannying” (Instead report objectionable content) I am not telling him how to behave or trying to provoke, I am genuinely curious about how he justifies his behaviour...calling us to repentance on the one hand while essentially being willing to lie in order to do so. When people show up to do so, knowing they will get banned, why in the world would they be willing to compromise their integrity for a few days at most posting? It baffles me. I am not offended, Isaiah. I have seen this behaviour way too often to be bothered by it. Just curious about your choosing to do so. add-on:. Looks like he was banned, won't find out, I guess. Edited October 23, 2016 by Calm
Curious_About_Everything Posted October 24, 2016 Posted October 24, 2016 2 hours ago, Calm said: I am not telling him how to behave or trying to provoke, I am genuinely curious about how he justifies his behaviour...calling us to repentance on the one hand while essentially being willing to lie in order to do so. When people show up to do so, knowing they will get banned, why in the world would they be willing to compromise their integrity for a few days at most posting? It baffles me. I am not offended, Isaiah. I have seen this behaviour way too often to be bothered by it. Just curious about your choosing to do so. add-on:. Looks like he was banned, won't find out, I guess. Thank you, but it is not necessary to explain yourself to me. I am not your judge.
mfbukowski Posted October 24, 2016 Posted October 24, 2016 9 hours ago, Isaiah said: you sound like anything but "calm" (the name you chose to use) btw - I'm sorry if truth offends you and the reply I made that offended you so - had (2) different perspectives, (which btw aren't mine at all). I was just giving you and others 2 different views on the subject. She did not report that post I did It had temple content in it in the post itself and in the links. Strictly prohibited. Wanna make something of it? 1
sam Posted October 24, 2016 Posted October 24, 2016 The Mik maqs also have endowment like stuff had Christ visit them and are the Nephites They have four reformed Egyptian characters in their book of Prayers. They have the most examples of Hebrew culture. Comparatively they have high concentrations of Middle Eastern dna. Their geographical location north of the Hill Cumorah als matches well. They are traditional enemies of the Iroquios (Lamanite) nation. They have an account of Christ visit. http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.com/2016/09/native-american-egyptian-hieroglyph.html Examples of Mik maq Hebrew Customs and Beliefs examples Hebrew custom of one year betrothal and dowry (New Relations of Gaspesia pg85 ) Belief of a great flood (New Relations of Gaspesia pg84 ) Belief they descended from one man and one woman and genesis account (New Relations of Gaspesia pg84 ) Their language compared to Hebrew by Silas T Rand (Legends of the Mic Macs pg35)Father Clercq was surprised by the many Hebrew customs that the Mik Maq had when he asked them if Christians missionaries had taught them these beliefs. The Mik Maq elders said that he was the first missionary to visit their tribe. He did not believe them but the Mik Maq elders were adamant that this was the case. Examples of Mik maq Book of Mormon examples Belief they sailed to North America as did Lehi and his family (New Relations of Gaspesia pg84 ) Belief they had letters and a written language (New Relations of Gaspesia pg86 ) Christ Visit The mik maq are visited by a man who performs miracles and people are healed. In the Book of Mormon Christ visits the Nephites and performs miracles and healings (New Relations of Gaspesia pg172 ) This man takes the time to teach the Mik Maq people. Christ spends several days if not weeks teaching the Nephites and Lamanites. (New Relations of Gaspesia pg172 ) Before a visit by this man the Mik Maqs were under extreme destitution and devastation. Before Christ visit in the Book of Mormon there were natural calamities that devastated the Nephites and Lamanites (New Relations of Gaspesia pg172 ) Before Christ visit there was three days of darkness. The Mik Maq elders during the devastation of ther nation were under a deep sleep consistent with the Book of Mormon. (New Relations of Gaspesia pg86 ) LDS similarities The Mik Maq believe they need to have sacred signs and and tokens in the after life consistent with the LDS endowment ceremony MichmashIn the Old Testament there is a city that still exist today known today as Mikhmas and known in the Old Testament as Michmash. In the Old Testament the pronunciation of Michmash is very similar to the name of the Micmac tribe. Based on their similar beliefs and their Book of Prayers characters, Micmac tribe most likely are direct descendants of the Nephites/Hopewell Indians and survived the Nephite genocide by escaping to the North Alma 22:33. Their geographical location above the hill Cumorah and other factors such as a nomadic lifestyle, being decimated by sickness, as well as wars with the Iroquois (Lamanites), offers more evidence to support this conclusion. Based on the Iroquois beliefs and traditions, the Iroquois are the best candidate to be primarily responsible for the extinction of the Nephites. Michmash in Hebrew means “something hidden”. During the Nephite genocide any surviving Nephites would have to join the Lamanites or hide. The very name of Micmac, supports this.
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