Scott Lloyd Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Hamba Tuhan said: Herbal 'tea' is no more tea than root beer is beer. Tea, like coffee, is a specific plant. Any product made from tea leaves is tea; any product not made from tea leaves is not. Where I live, this distinction is legally mandated: only tea may be labelled tea; all other steeped beverages must be labelled 'infusions'. I find it interesting that this article seems to focus on the use of infusions that have known medicinal properties. I think most infusions that I know are rather different. My current favourite contains rooibos, cinnamon, and orange peel. Another of my favourites contains ginger, lemongrass, and lemon peel -- all things Saints would happily cook with. I don't think we have a tradition of self-medicating by means of 'herbs' in these parts. Nor in the parts where I live. That's why I said the cited article seemed a bit technical to me. Interesting about the legal mandate to not call something tea that isn't tea. It seems to me that would cut down on confusion if that were widely followed.
Scott Lloyd Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 1 hour ago, VideoGameJunkie said: Coffee, tea, and soda area all nasty anyway. What does the church say about energy drinks? Those things can mess with your heart and so many mormons drink them. I don't think the Church officially says anything about them, but I personally think they ought to be avoided. But then, I feel the same way about other beverages with a high caffeine content, such as colas. They probably fall under the category of not expecting to be commanded in all things but exercising wisdom and prudence.
Calm Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 Energy drinks have been mentioned a few times, the counsel is to avoid them in most cases, especially on a frequent basis: https://www.lds.org/ensign/2008/12/the-energy-drink-epidemic?lang=eng 2
Hamba Tuhan Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 13 minutes ago, Calm said: Energy drinks have been mentioned a few times, the counsel is to avoid them in most cases, especially on a frequent basis: https://www.lds.org/ensign/2008/12/the-energy-drink-epidemic?lang=eng It's a local context, but our stake presidency has mandated no energy drinks at Church-sponsored activities (such as camps). I think this is wise.
Rivers Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 What's a better thing to drink when I need to stay awake on my graveyard shifts?
Hamba Tuhan Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Rivers said: What's a better thing to drink when I need to stay awake on my graveyard shifts? Water? Really cold water? More sleep before you start? Edited August 1, 2016 by Hamba Tuhan 2
Calm Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 50 minutes ago, Rivers said: What's a better thing to drink when I need to stay awake on my graveyard shifts? Caffeine without sugar is probably better as long as you only use it as needed (take NoDoze and cut it up into whatever mininum dose works for you) and try hard not to make it a habit. Ginger, certain Vit Bs, and tumeric can be more gentle stimulants. It takes at least 10 hrs for caffeine to leave your system (I can tell the difference for at least 20, but I also crash after it so if I hit the bed right I can get some sleep but then when whatever causes the crash stabilizes, I am awake until the caffeine wears off and then if it it daytime, can't sleep till midnight or later again. http://www.prevention.com/health/sleep-energy/7-caffeine-free-ways-to-boost-your-energy
Scott Lloyd Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Calm said: Energy drinks have been mentioned a few times, the counsel is to avoid them in most cases, especially on a frequent basis: https://www.lds.org/ensign/2008/12/the-energy-drink-epidemic?lang=eng Thanks, Calm. I do remember this article now that you bring it up. A lot of good information here, especially about caffeine content. As far as I'm aware, though, the Church does not mandate the avoidance of "energy" drinks as a prerequisite for holding temple recommends and callings. Correct?
Scott Lloyd Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Hamba Tuhan said: It's a local context, but our stake presidency has mandated no energy drinks at Church-sponsored activities (such as camps). I think this is wise. I would think it wise to mandate no cola drinks (except for the caffeine-free kind) at Church-sponsored activities. To this day, they don't sell them at the Church Office Building cafeteria and, last I heard, at BYU. 1
Calm Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 57 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: Thanks, Calm. I do remember this article now that you bring it up. A lot of good information here, especially about caffeine content. As far as I'm aware, though, the Church does not mandate the avoidance of "energy" drinks as a prerequisite for holding temple recommends and callings. Correct? Definitely not. That is why I chose the word "counsel".
Tacenda Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 9 hours ago, Calm said: Definitely not. That is why I chose the word "counsel". I guess we state it's a revelation not to drink coffee or tea, but get no revelation to not drink stuff that is worse, IMO.
Guest Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 On July 31, 2016 at 0:53 PM, Jeanne said: Crap...Tolerance is for everyone! It is not my quote, but his...I know it is crap.
Guest Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 23 hours ago, VideoGameJunkie said: Do you not believe strongly in the atonement for those who are repentant? Confessing sins is part of the repentance process and the atonement and Jesus have the ability to forgive. I do believe that confession is necessary and that Jesus forgives. But repentance is a process, and is not done in a few short weeks, and serious sins committed just weeks before should not be followed by attending the Temple shortly thereafter.
VideoGameJunkie Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Pa Pa said: I do believe that confession is necessary and that Jesus forgives. But repentance is a process, and is not done in a few short weeks, and serious sins committed just weeks before should not be followed by attending the Temple shortly thereafter. That's your opinion. My Bishops opinion who was my judge in Israel felt inspired differently. Did I mention I got a priesthood blessing shortly after confessing where I was told I was forgiven of all my sins and my Bishop broke down crying when he said that and the spirit hit me and that was the strongest I ever felt the spirit in my life. Repentance is about having a change of heart and feeling and relying on the spirit, not waiting X amount of days before you can feel worthy again.
Calm Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 3 hours ago, Tacenda said: I guess we state it's a revelation not to drink coffee or tea, but get no revelation to not drink stuff that is worse, IMO. If stuff is worse, it seems like one should not need a revelation to not drink it. 3
Guest Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 25 minutes ago, VideoGameJunkie said: That's your opinion. My Bishops opinion who was my judge in Israel felt inspired differently. Did I mention I got a priesthood blessing shortly after confessing where I was told I was forgiven of all my sins and my Bishop broke down crying when he said that and the spirit hit me and that was the strongest I ever felt the spirit in my life. Repentance is about having a change of heart and feeling and relying on the spirit, not waiting X amount of days before you can feel worthy again. I am not passing judgement upon you, I was quoting the Priesthood handbook when in the Bishopric...not opinion either. But, I am done discussing it...just wondering why you would confess so much on a public board. So, if you respond to this quote, I will not respond. When I originally made my comment about drug use and fortifications, I was speaking to my experiences of others confessing such while I was in serving in a Bishopric. I was not being critical of you as I had no idea you were speaking of yourself. So...in no way was my original comment meant toward or to mean harm toward you in any way. Therefore you need not feel anger at me, and you need not defend or explain yourself to me.
VideoGameJunkie Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 35 minutes ago, Pa Pa said: I am not passing judgement upon you, I was quoting the Priesthood handbook when in the Bishopric...not opinion either. But, I am done discussing it...just wondering why you would confess so much on a public board. So, if you respond to this quote, I will not respond. When I originally made my comment about drug use and fortifications, I was speaking to my experiences of others confessing such while I was in serving in a Bishopric. I was not being critical of you as I had no idea you were speaking of yourself. So...in no way was my original comment meant toward or to mean harm toward you in any way. Therefore you need not feel anger at me, and you need not defend or explain yourself to me. I shared because I'm a living testimony and example of the atonement working in full force. The church should be more focused on forgiving and saving and feeling the atonement and searching the atonement, not punishing members. There are some Bishops and Stake Presidents that want to punish more than they want to forgive. Which is understandable since everyone has a different personality. But think about Jesus Christ's ministry and how He acted and ask yourself if Jesus wants more to forgive and save, or punish and damn.
Jeanne Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 5 hours ago, Tacenda said: I guess we state it's a revelation not to drink coffee or tea, but get no revelation to not drink stuff that is worse, IMO. Let's just not get a revelation on potato chips or captain crunch....I would have to into some sort of program to help me out. 2
Jeanne Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 15 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: I would think it wise to mandate no cola drinks (except for the caffeine-free kind) at Church-sponsored activities. To this day, they don't sell them at the Church Office Building cafeteria and, last I heard, at BYU. So the students walk across the street to 7-11 and get a REAL coke...This is silly IMO.
cinepro Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 16 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: I would think it wise to mandate no cola drinks (except for the caffeine-free kind) at Church-sponsored activities. To this day, they don't sell them at the Church Office Building cafeteria and, last I heard, at BYU. New BYU President Doesn't Mean New Policy About Caffeine But capitalism to the rescue! Caffeine on Campus Now Provided By Students
Guest Posted August 1, 2016 Posted August 1, 2016 20 hours ago, Calm said: Energy drinks have been mentioned a few times, the counsel is to avoid them in most cases, especially on a frequent basis: https://www.lds.org/ensign/2008/12/the-energy-drink-epidemic?lang=eng President Hinkley mentioned (or said) no caffeine in his interview with Larry King. Every time I mention power drinks, my kids get mad. Soda's via sugar content is bad for everyone, especially those who struggle with weight problems, or diabities, or families with history of diabetes.
Scott Lloyd Posted August 2, 2016 Posted August 2, 2016 (edited) 4 hours ago, Jeanne said: So the students walk across the street to 7-11 and get a REAL coke...This is silly IMO. The students can do what they like ind that regard; nobody is stopping them. But it doesn't make sense as a matter of policy to discourage the use of something -- allowable though that thing may be -- and then turn around and offer it for sale to the very constituency you're trying to discourage from using it. By the way, if Coke without caffeine tastes the same as Coke with it, what wholesome reason is there for demanding the kind with the caffeine? That has long been on my list of imponderables. Edited August 2, 2016 by Scott Lloyd
will227457 Posted August 2, 2016 Posted August 2, 2016 I think in our case the wording in the WoW is ambiguous in some ways and enforcement in its strictest sense is a recent policy. Heck it was not even part of the temple recommend process until the 1920's. As to why we abstain from the Tea, coffee, etc. For the same reason that Jews eat kosher, don't mix dairy with their beef and avoid pork....God said so. Or in our case the brethren have interpreted it that way. If you want access to the presidents club no drinky, drinky, no smoking, no tea or coffee.
salgare Posted August 2, 2016 Posted August 2, 2016 1 hour ago, will227457 said: As to why we abstain from the Tea, coffee, etc. For the same reason that Jews eat kosher, don't mix dairy with their beef and avoid pork....God said so. Or in our case the brethren have interpreted it that way. If you want access to the presidents club no drinky, drinky, no smoking, no tea or coffee. Don't Mormons believe that the God of the Jews is the same God they receive commandments from?
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