juliann Posted July 7, 2016 Posted July 7, 2016 http://www.fairmormon.org/perspectives/fair-conferences/conf16a Leave August 4th and 5th open! 2
Robert F. Smith Posted July 7, 2016 Posted July 7, 2016 Anyone with questions for Royal Skousen and Stan Carmack can come and speak with them personally.
Calm Posted July 7, 2016 Posted July 7, 2016 13 hours ago, strappinglad said: Is streaming available outside the US ? Can't access my gmail to doublecheck at the moment, but I am certain that it is. If you are concerned about buying it before knowing for sure, just use the contact info here: http://www.fairmormon.org/contact Bookstore manager or Scott Gordon options would be the most appropriate ones.
ladyshanae Posted July 7, 2016 Posted July 7, 2016 Would be fascinating to attend, but I've finally talked the husband out of going to Utah this summer and I'd hate to try and reverse all that hard work LOL
Calm Posted July 8, 2016 Posted July 8, 2016 Next year then, I can't remember if it is first Thursday or first Friday with the Thursday attached of August. I am going to miss it this year since I can't sit down and it would be hard to pay full attention from a prone position (and people might step on me by accident ). Debating even the Thursday dinner but always so fun, so probably will.
Robert F. Smith Posted July 10, 2016 Posted July 10, 2016 On 7/7/2016 at 3:57 PM, ladyshanae said: Would be fascinating to attend, but I've finally talked the husband out of going to Utah this summer and I'd hate to try and reverse all that hard work LOL Well, you could get a ticket for streaming it on your computer. Cost a lot less.
strappinglad Posted July 10, 2016 Posted July 10, 2016 On the order form for streaming it only shows the US as a possible country, so unless there is another way, streaming is only for the US.
Calm Posted July 21, 2016 Posted July 21, 2016 The problem with streaming should be fixed now, let me know if not.
Scott Lloyd Posted August 4, 2016 Posted August 4, 2016 (edited) I came early and have a seat just a few feet from the podium. An abstract for the Royal Skousen/Stanford Carmack presentation on the Book of Mormon Critical Text Project has been distributed in advance. The presentation looks to be very enlightening . Edited August 9, 2016 by Scott Lloyd 2
Scott Lloyd Posted August 4, 2016 Posted August 4, 2016 (edited) Loved Matt Grow's talk on the Council of Fifty minutes. An eye-opener: The "Whittling and Whistling Brigade" were not boys but grown men. Edited August 9, 2016 by Scott Lloyd 1
Damien the Leper Posted August 5, 2016 Posted August 5, 2016 Who's the idiot that demonized Blair Hodges? 1
juliann Posted August 6, 2016 Author Posted August 6, 2016 7 hours ago, Valentinus said: Who's the idiot that demonized Blair Hodges? Ralph Hancock. He misrepresented his blog. Blair is the epitome of grace and charity. 3
Damien the Leper Posted August 6, 2016 Posted August 6, 2016 11 hours ago, juliann said: Ralph Hancock. He misrepresented his blog. Blair is the epitome of grace and charity. Agreed. Blair is wonderful. 1
Damien the Leper Posted August 6, 2016 Posted August 6, 2016 I heard Grant Hardy killed at the conference.
Robert F. Smith Posted August 7, 2016 Posted August 7, 2016 22 hours ago, Valentinus said: I heard Grant Hardy killed at the conference. Yeh, he killed it alright. See http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/67909-grant-hardys-presentation-on-the-book-of-mormon/ .
Robert F. Smith Posted August 7, 2016 Posted August 7, 2016 According to Royal Skousen, Martin Harris was likely Scribe #2 for the Printer's Manuscript of the BofM. Also, Harris was an excellent speller -- much better than Oliver Cowdery, although Cowdery did improve a great deal in his spelling ability in the course of dictation. Royal also noted in passing that it is very rare to find an early 1800s expression in the BofM. Moreover, the translator of the BofM (whoever that was) uses characteristic biblical phrases, rather than quoting (except for the direct quotes from Isaiah). Stan Carmack added that general BofM English grammar usage differs markedly from the Bible and from contemporary 1800s English literature. 1
Robert F. Smith Posted August 7, 2016 Posted August 7, 2016 Patrick Mason (Claremont Graduate Univ.) gave a wonderful presentation on Aug 5, and he is the author of Planted: Belief & Belonging in an Age of Doubt. The internet: Online sources have been a shock to some people -- much of it toxic material with no real foundation, making claims which are not critically examined, and leading some to immediate emotional decisions which are difficult to recover from -- with only post-Mormon support groups able to be of any help at all. One's intellectual, spiritual, and moral integrity is at stake. The slick and amateurish Runnells CES Letter was predictable and inevitable, but the LDS faith it describes and responds to is not authentic LDS faith. Indeed, the phony version of the LDS faith Runnells describes does not deserve to survive anyway. LDS faith seems to be "a package deal" to many, so that any part being problematic destroys the whole. Past folklore on Joseph Smith not being a money-digger or on the nonsense about Blacks not having priesthood because they were fence-sitters in the pre-existence is part of "Church culture," and most members are unaware of the Gospel Topics Essays which refute all that. Modern storms of scrutiny can seem overwhelming, but we need to put aside the "house of cards" mentality, be open and embracing, and less defensive (based on past persecutioin). Indeed, our pain & suffering can be a source of empathy & charity (as in our recent refugee efforts). We need to attract people to the LDS "movement," and not simply to some narrow, petty, and restrictive church. Joseph Smith himself was dynamic and avant garde. Juvenalization of the LDS faith is not appropriate. Secularism is our friend, without which we cannot survive and flourish. We must not blame outsiders for our problems. Religion declines when it becomes irrelevant, dull, and insipid, and it cannot survive as an heirloom. Low nutrition religion is of no value. We need to be humble. 4
BHodges Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 On 8/4/2016 at 3:03 PM, Scott Lloyd said: Loved Matt Grow's talk on the Council of Fifty minutes. An eye-opener: the "Whittling and Whistling Brigade" were not boys but grown men. This really caught me off guard, one of those things I was surprised at that could've been part of the story all along. Matt Grow is a great scholar and a great presenter. One of the conference highlights for me. The Co50 minutes book looks to be pretty impressive.
BHodges Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 On 8/5/2016 at 4:29 PM, Valentinus said: Who's the idiot that demonized Blair Hodges? I appreciate that there are many people who recognize Ralph's references to me personally as being more in the vein of attack than engagement, but I hope people don't lob insults his way on my account. At the risk of sounding corny, I think the overall spirit of the conference this year was one that recognized the need to keep raising the level of our discourse, to infuse our exchanges with charity and long-suffering, even in disagreement. Ally Isom's address, along with Grant Hardy and Patrick Mason touched on this. It was great. 1
salgare Posted August 9, 2016 Posted August 9, 2016 2 hours ago, BHodges said: I appreciate that there are many people who recognize Ralph's references to me personally as being more in the vein of attack than engagement, but I hope people don't lob insults his way on my account. At the risk of sounding corny, I think the overall spirit of the conference this year was one that recognized the need to keep raising the level of our discourse, to infuse our exchanges with charity and long-suffering, even in disagreement. Ally Isom's address, along with Grant Hardy and Patrick Mason touched on this. It was great. 2 hours ago, BHodges said: I appreciate that there are many people who recognize Ralph's references to me personally as being more in the vein of attack than engagement, but I hope people don't lob insults his way on my account. At the risk of sounding corny, I think the overall spirit of the conference this year was one that recognized the need to keep raising the level of our discourse, to infuse our exchanges with charity and long-suffering, even in disagreement. Ally Isom's address, along with Grant Hardy and Patrick Mason touched on this. It was great. I'm looking forward to when these presentations transcripts are available online. I took my son to a byu classroom presentation several years back (pre-MI changeover) that you were involved in. I believe you are lifeonaplate correct?, i.e. I've appreciated you even long before that. Even if my memory has failed me, you are a good man, god speed as you attempt to reduce the destruction and help move the Church forward to a healthier place.
mfbukowski Posted August 9, 2016 Posted August 9, 2016 3 hours ago, BHodges said: I appreciate that there are many people who recognize Ralph's references to me personally as being more in the vein of attack than engagement, but I hope people don't lob insults his way on my account. At the risk of sounding corny, I think the overall spirit of the conference this year was one that recognized the need to keep raising the level of our discourse, to infuse our exchanges with charity and long-suffering, even in disagreement. Ally Isom's address, along with Grant Hardy and Patrick Mason touched on this. It was great. Sorry I had to miss it this year, but you, sir are a class act and I love what you are doing 1
jkwilliams Posted August 9, 2016 Posted August 9, 2016 3 hours ago, BHodges said: I appreciate that there are many people who recognize Ralph's references to me personally as being more in the vein of attack than engagement, but I hope people don't lob insults his way on my account. At the risk of sounding corny, I think the overall spirit of the conference this year was one that recognized the need to keep raising the level of our discourse, to infuse our exchanges with charity and long-suffering, even in disagreement. Ally Isom's address, along with Grant Hardy and Patrick Mason touched on this. It was great. These presentations make me hopeful about the future in that the polemical back and forth will finally fade into memory. 1
Scott Lloyd Posted August 9, 2016 Posted August 9, 2016 (edited) 9 hours ago, BHodges said: This really caught me off guard, one of those things I was surprised at that could've been part of the story all along. Matt Grow is a great scholar and a great presenter. One of the conference highlights for me. The Co50 minutes book looks to be pretty impressive. If you'll indulge me, I'll share a quick remembrance about Matt Grow. Years ago, (I hired on at the Church News/Deseret News in 1985, so this could have been the in the late '80s or perhaps the early '90s) I got a call from a reader who invited me to come out to his home and do a story on his teenage son, who was something of a wunderkind with genealogy. The young man would rush home after school and devote many leisure hours to do research and correspondence pertaining to his ancestral line, Jared and Charity Pratt (parents of Orson and Parley). He had made phenomenal accomplishments over time. The memory remained vivid in my mind as the years passed. Ere I was aware, the young man grew up, obtained a doctorate at Notre Dame and took a prominent position with the Church History Department as its director of publications and a general editor over the Joseph Smith Papers project, meanwhile becoming an accomplished historian and author, producing, among other things, an outstanding biography of Thomas L. Kane. The young man's name was Matt Grow. I little realized in the beginning that he would eventually become a frequent source and subject for my future stories. Edited to add: Incredibly, I was able just now to easily find that 1993 story about 16-year-old Matt Grow. Here it is. Edited August 9, 2016 by Scott Lloyd 2
Scott Lloyd Posted August 9, 2016 Posted August 9, 2016 On 8/6/2016 at 11:43 AM, Valentinus said: Agreed. Blair is wonderful. I had occasion this weekend to meet, converse and even break bread with Professor Ralph C. Hancock. He's not a bad guy either.
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