stemelbow Posted May 18, 2016 Posted May 18, 2016 11 minutes ago, bluebell said: It's called "hyperbole". I know I had to say something because it seemed like you were seeing something reasonable about this.
jkwilliams Posted May 18, 2016 Posted May 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Jeanne said: Whole wheat!! You just triggered a memory of my childhood. One week, the kid who was supposed to bring the sacrament bread forgot, so someone who lived on "Mormon Hill" behind our chapel, ran home and brought back the only thing his family had: whole wheat pita bread. Some people were a bit freaked out. 1
Jeanne Posted May 18, 2016 Posted May 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, jkwilliams said: You just triggered a memory of my childhood. One week, the kid who was supposed to bring the sacrament bread forgot, so someone who lived on "Mormon Hill" behind our chapel, ran home and brought back the only thing his family had: whole wheat pita bread. Some people were a bit freaked out. There was a woman in our hometown ward that baked..I mean she was good! We loved it when her sons/husband brought the bread! I can see this happening everywhere!
bluebell Posted May 18, 2016 Posted May 18, 2016 10 minutes ago, stemelbow said: I know I had to say something because it seemed like you were seeing something reasonable about this. What's not reasonable about it? It's selling unconsecrated olive oil in a sealed package.
stemelbow Posted May 18, 2016 Posted May 18, 2016 1 minute ago, bluebell said: What's not reasonable about it? It's selling unconsecrated olive oil in a sealed package. For 100X the amount one could buy unconsecrated olive oil in a sealed package. I could try and package my excess pepper two grains at a time in a sealed baggy, charge a buck a pack too. But, if I thought I'd make money off it because my packages look cute, then I'd be fooling myself. I grant Mormons can be unreasonably credulous for things like this, so it might pull in a few bucks. But that's my point--it's unreasonable.
ksfisher Posted May 18, 2016 Posted May 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, stemelbow said: I grant Mormons can be unreasonably credulous for things like this, so it might pull in a few bucks. Just walk through the grocery store and you'll soon figure out how credulous everyone is, single serving stuff everywhere. 1
Ahab Posted May 18, 2016 Posted May 18, 2016 4 minutes ago, stemelbow said: For 100X the amount one could buy unconsecrated olive oil in a sealed package. I could try and package my excess pepper two grains at a time in a sealed baggy, charge a buck a pack too. But, if I thought I'd make money off it because my packages look cute, then I'd be fooling myself. I grant Mormons can be unreasonably credulous for things like this, so it might pull in a few bucks. But that's my point--it's unreasonable. This is all about making money for a product. At least it's a useful product for a good cause. If you want to talk about things that are unreasonable we could start talking about spending money for things that are silly, like pet rocks and other such silly things. But even silly products can bring in lots of money, which, again, is all this is about.
bluebell Posted May 18, 2016 Posted May 18, 2016 6 minutes ago, stemelbow said: For 100X the amount one could buy unconsecrated olive oil in a sealed package. I could try and package my excess pepper two grains at a time in a sealed baggy, charge a buck a pack too. But, if I thought I'd make money off it because my packages look cute, then I'd be fooling myself. I grant Mormons can be unreasonably credulous for things like this, so it might pull in a few bucks. But that's my point--it's unreasonable. Buying in bulk is always cheaper than buying something pre-packaged, but sometimes the added cost is worth it to someone. Picking up a lunchable at walmart rather than buying the same ingredients at Costco isn't automatically unreasonable despite the difference in cost, for example. Neither is this product. If it bugs you that someone would spend the money on this when there's a much cheaper option, that's a valid opinion, but disagreeing with you on the best way to spend money isn't automatically unreasonable either. 2
bluebell Posted May 18, 2016 Posted May 18, 2016 39 minutes ago, Jeanne said: Just curious as I don't notice these things and I have seen and been a part of blessings..does the oil have to go in a specific vial or can you use any small clean container? No, you don't have to have a vial. It's just a handy way to keep some with you all the time since the vials hook to key chains. These little packets would be handy for small first aid kits that don't get a lot of use, especially for backpackers and hikers who might not have the vial with them. 3
Ahab Posted May 18, 2016 Posted May 18, 2016 9 minutes ago, bluebell said: No, you don't have to have a vial. It's just a handy way to keep some with you all the time since the vials hook to key chains. These little packets would be handy for small first aid kits that don't get a lot of use, especially for backpackers and hikers who might not have the vial with them. I am seeing you as someone who would consider buying that product, either for yourself or as a gift for others. How many others do you think would be interested in buying that product? And at that price? Can you forsee the seller making lots of money for that product at that price?
bluebell Posted May 18, 2016 Posted May 18, 2016 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Ahab said: I am seeing you as someone who would consider buying that product, either for yourself or as a gift for others. How many others do you think would be interested in buying that product? And at that price? Can you forsee the seller making lots of money for that product at that price? Probably not, but if i saw some sitting next to the register at some store i might grab a couple. I doubt it would be a big money maker. They're probably lucky to make $1 per package. Edited May 18, 2016 by bluebell
Garden Girl Posted May 18, 2016 Posted May 18, 2016 1 hour ago, jkwilliams said: You just triggered a memory of my childhood. One week, the kid who was supposed to bring the sacrament bread forgot, so someone who lived on "Mormon Hill" behind our chapel, ran home and brought back the only thing his family had: whole wheat pita bread. Some people were a bit freaked out. See D&C 27:2.... GG
jkwilliams Posted May 18, 2016 Posted May 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, Garden Girl said: See D&C 27:2.... GG Oh, I know. It's just interesting that, at least in my Southern California ward in the 1980s, people had become so accustomed to white bread that a deviation was unnerving to some.
stemelbow Posted May 18, 2016 Posted May 18, 2016 53 minutes ago, bluebell said: Buying in bulk is always cheaper than buying something pre-packaged, but sometimes the added cost is worth it to someone. Picking up a lunchable at walmart rather than buying the same ingredients at Costco isn't automatically unreasonable despite the difference in cost, for example. Neither is this product. If it bugs you that someone would spend the money on this when there's a much cheaper option, that's a valid opinion, but disagreeing with you on the best way to spend money isn't automatically unreasonable either. Not sure how to respond. A couple of drops of olive oil in essence costing 100X the amount if bought in a bottle is unreasonable. To buy pre-packaged sandwiches stuff for 15X the amount if bought separately is far more reasonable. This takes money making off of separate packaging to a new level.
stemelbow Posted May 18, 2016 Posted May 18, 2016 1 hour ago, ksfisher said: Just walk through the grocery store and you'll soon figure out how credulous everyone is, single serving stuff everywhere. I see it. But nothing that takes it to this level--at least not what I've seen.
ksfisher Posted May 18, 2016 Posted May 18, 2016 5 minutes ago, stemelbow said: I see it. But nothing that takes it to this level--at least not what I've seen. I guess my point is that the single serving phenomenon is a trend in society, not just Mormonism. 3
bluebell Posted May 18, 2016 Posted May 18, 2016 1 minute ago, stemelbow said: Not sure how to respond. A couple of drops of olive oil in essence costing 100X the amount if bought in a bottle is unreasonable. To buy pre-packaged sandwiches stuff for 15X the amount if bought separately is far more reasonable. This takes money making off of separate packaging to a new level. It seems like you just don't like that someone might pay for something that you find too expensive. You're getting 'i find this unreasonable' confused with 'this is unreasonable.' The first does not automatically equal the second. 4
stemelbow Posted May 18, 2016 Posted May 18, 2016 (edited) 7 minutes ago, bluebell said: It seems like you just don't like that someone might pay for something that you find too expensive. You're getting 'i find this unreasonable' confused with 'this is unreasonable.' The first does not automatically equal the second. It does in this case. hah. Portioning out olive oil by droplets is just unreasonable and silly. I grant many people act unreasonably. I can't help that. But normally those business ventures that rely on people being unreasonable die out--some stick around longer than others, I guess. I'll try one more time to reason this out with you. If I fail I fail: 100 packets of olive oil, each meant to supply a droplet of oil per use, costing 160 dollars is unreasonably expensive. As it turns out you can easily get 100 portions of oil to drop on 100 heads to the amount needed for a blessing out of, at most, a half of an 8 dollar bottle of olive oil. Meaning 4 dollars compared to 160 (and let's face it, I'm being way too overly charitable in your favor here). That's exactly what pricing things unreasonably means. Edited May 18, 2016 by stemelbow
Ahab Posted May 18, 2016 Posted May 18, 2016 7 minutes ago, stemelbow said: I see it. But nothing that takes it to this level--at least not what I've seen. Me thinks you're not seeing the full value of the blessing on the oil. It's not just oil. It is oil that has been blessed. Probably considered more valuable to people who appreciate the full value of the product, including the blessing on the oil, and can't make the same thing themselves, I think.
bluebell Posted May 18, 2016 Posted May 18, 2016 Just now, stemelbow said: It does in this case. hah. Portioning out olive oil by droplets is just unreasonable and silly. I grant many people act unreasonably. I can't help that. But normally those business ventures that rely on people being unreasonable die out--some stick around longer than others, I guess. I completely understand your opinion. I guess if this sticks around then it will prove your opinion wrong.
stemelbow Posted May 18, 2016 Posted May 18, 2016 7 minutes ago, bluebell said: I completely understand your opinion. I guess if this sticks around then it will prove your opinion wrong. No it won't, because as it turns out, many people behave unreasonably anywho. Well, I tried my one last time to be reasonable with you, but it failed, I guess.
stemelbow Posted May 18, 2016 Posted May 18, 2016 8 minutes ago, Ahab said: Me thinks you're not seeing the full value of the blessing on the oil. It's not just oil. It is oil that has been blessed. Probably considered more valuable to people who appreciate the full value of the product, including the blessing on the oil, and can't make the same thing themselves, I think. It's not oil that's been blessed. It's in package. If you want to use it for a blessing, you open the package then bless the oil before administering.
bluebell Posted May 18, 2016 Posted May 18, 2016 10 minutes ago, stemelbow said: 100 packets of olive oil, each meant to supply a droplet of oil per use, costing 160 dollars is unreasonably expensive. As it turns out you can easily get 100 portions of oil to drop on 100 heads to the amount needed for a blessing out of, at most, a half of an 8 dollar bottle of olive oil. Meaning 4 dollars compared to 160 (and let's face it, I'm being way too overly charitable in your favor here). That's exactly what pricing things unreasonably means. How much does the company have to spend on each individual package?
jkwilliams Posted May 18, 2016 Posted May 18, 2016 Just now, stemelbow said: It's not oil that's been blessed. It's in package. If you want to use it for a blessing, you open the package then bless the oil before administering. My issue with this (and all single-serve products) is the incredible waste. Each portion of oil has its own separate packaging, which adds to the already large amount of waste pollution we have in the world. How lazy are we that we can't be bothered to measure our own portions?
Ahab Posted May 18, 2016 Posted May 18, 2016 9 minutes ago, stemelbow said: It's not oil that's been blessed. It's in package. If you want to use it for a blessing, you open the package then bless the oil before administering. Well then it is a total frickin ripoff!!! Unless maybe that is the only olive oil I could get my hands on. It is at least olive oil, isn't it? Extra virgin? 1
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