No Pics of Seer Stones in our Churches

[Tacenda]

The polygamy essay is not up to snuff, it only has the polygamy in Utah, and only links to the Nauvoo polygamy.  I don't think a lot of people will go to the links unless they already know about it.  Why not put it front and center along with polygamy in Utah?  ETA:  I digress, it looks like the link is quite up front.  Has there been a change?  I don't recall it being so accessible.  Apology for having said it wasn't up to snuff.

https://www.lds.org/topics/plural-marriage-in-the-church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints?lang=eng

Edited March 27, 2016 by Tacenda

[Calm]

You can check on the wayback machine if it matters to you.

My memory says it has always been written like that.

[Jeanne]

7 hours ago, ALarson said:

This may be true.  I happen to live in a ward where my Bishop is more progressive and interested in learning the truth (and also feels it is important for our ward members to read the essays).

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to be teaching a more honest history to the youth without teaching the parents the same.  The kids will come home to talk to their parents and they won't know what their kids are talking about (or will think it's anti).

What did your friend post on facebook regarding the essays?  She should come to her court with a copy of all the essays and where they can be found on lds.org.

You know..what is sad is that she was just stating her feelings/opinions on the essays  She wasn't trying to teach or preach.  Now she is left with 3 choices..keep her integrity intact by keeping it on facebook, resign at the next meeting...or let them ex her.  They want her take her post down..and if she doesn't, they will call for a disciplinary court to ex her.  So this doesn't make sense to me..when Wards are trying to reactivate people and you have missionaries out in the field...you got people in some wards getting booted out!  Now, of course, some people will say she has a choice..take down the darn post..but unless they read the essays and give her some answers, that will be no go.  I really feel bad for her

[ALarson]

1 hour ago, Jeanne said:

You know..what is sad is that she was just stating her feelings/opinions on the essays  She wasn't trying to teach or preach.  Now she is left with 3 choices..keep her integrity intact by keeping it on facebook, resign at the next meeting...or let them ex her.  They want her take her post down..and if she doesn't, they will call for a disciplinary court to ex her.  So this doesn't make sense to me..when Wards are trying to reactivate people and you have missionaries out in the field...you got people in some wards getting booted out!  Now, of course, some people will say she has a choice..take down the darn post..but unless they read the essays and give her some answers, that will be no go.  I really feel bad for her

The part I put in bold above is what is puzzling.  What exactly did she post regarding the essays?  Did she just post links to the essays or more?

She has every right to post links to information on lds.org, if that's all she did here.  If I were her, I'd go to her stake president and then higher up if needed.

Edited March 27, 2016 by ALarson

[Jeanne]

35 minutes ago, ALarson said:

The part I put in bold above is what is puzzling.  What exactly did she post regarding the essays?  Did she just post links to the essays or more?

She has every right to post links to information on lds.org, if that's all she did here.  If I were her, I'd go to her stake president and then higher up if needed.

Basically, she just stated that some of the essays were not what she was taught earlier in the church.  She is an older woman. No worries about the SP.  He and the Bishop contacted her. They feel that she is teaching against the church simply by putting her thoughts out there  No link was given though nor any encouragement to read the essays.  She just mentioned them and her confusion sounded like apostasy.  Her  feelings were hers.she shared them and now she gets some ultimatums.

Edited March 27, 2016 by Jeanne

[Tacenda]

1 hour ago, Jeanne said:

Basically, she just stated that some of the essays were not what she was taught earlier in the church.  She is an older woman. No worries about the SP.  He and the Bishop contacted her. They feel that she is teaching against the church simply by putting her thoughts out there  No link was given though nor any encouragement to read the essays.  She just mentioned them and her confusion sounded like apostasy.  Her  feelings were hers.she shared them and now she gets some ultimatums.

Thats just lame and cultish.

[Scott Lloyd]

9 hours ago, Jeanne said:

You know..what is sad is that she was just stating her feelings/opinions on the essays  She wasn't trying to teach or preach.  Now she is left with 3 choices..keep her integrity intact by keeping it on facebook, resign at the next meeting...or let them ex her.  They want her take her post down..and if she doesn't, they will call for a disciplinary court to ex her.  So this doesn't make sense to me..when Wards are trying to reactivate people and you have missionaries out in the field...you got people in some wards getting booted out!  Now, of course, some people will say she has a choice..take down the darn post..but unless they read the essays and give her some answers, that will be no go.  I really feel bad for her

I can't speak to what was posted, as I haven't seen it. 

But in a general sense, posting one's feelings and opinions can easily drift into teaching and preaching. How the comment is framed, the phrasing that is used, the information that is selected and the context that is included all make a great deal of difference. 

And it's hard not to regard posting one's feelings and opinions on the Internet (with a potential audience numbering in the millions globally) as promulgating or advocating a position and seeking to persuade others. Otherwise, why do it? 

Edited March 28, 2016 by Scott Lloyd

[Keq82]

2 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

I can't speak to what was posted, as I haven't seen it. 

But in a general sense, posting one's feelings and opinions can easily drift into teaching and preaching. How the comment is framed, the phrasing that is used, the information that is selected and the context that is included all make a great deal of difference. 

And it's hard not to regard posting one's feelings and opinions on the Internet (with a potential audience numbering in the millions globally) as promulgating or advocating a position and seeking to persuade others. Why do it otherwise? 

Freedom of thought...freedom to form your own opinions, regardless if they do or do not conform to what the church approves.   

[Scott Lloyd]

5 minutes ago, Keq82 said:

Freedom of thought...freedom to form your own opinions, regardless if they do or do not conform to what the church approves.   

This is a sentence fragment. There is a subject but no predicate.

Care to rephrase your post, this time writing a coherent statement?

 

Edited March 28, 2016 by Scott Lloyd

[ALarson]

7 hours ago, Keq82 said:

Freedom of thought...freedom to form your own opinions, regardless if they do or do not conform to what the church approves.   

Agreed, but if she has posted something that is an attempt to get followers or draw people away from the church (or if she is speaking out publicly elsewhere at all), then her church leaders can at least call her in to discuss it.  From what I've read, she is not doing this (but I have not seen what she posted).

If I were her, I'd insist that her leaders at least read the essays and she will agree to remove any of her commentary (if that is what they find offensive).  That's a good compromise.  

The leaders should be familiar with essays anyway since the youth are going to be taught about them and will be discussing them.  

[Jeanne]

12 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

I can't speak to what was posted, as I haven't seen it. 

But in a general sense, posting one's feelings and opinions can easily drift into teaching and preaching. How the comment is framed, the phrasing that is used, the information that is selected and the context that is included all make a great deal of difference. 

And it's hard not to regard posting one's feelings and opinions on the Internet (with a potential audience numbering in the millions globally) as promulgating or advocating a position and seeking to persuade others. Otherwise, why do it? 

Facefbook is just out there..but everyone posts opinions on things..why have  "big brother" telling you what you can and cannot do?  It is facebook not Sunday School! 

[Tacenda]

9 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

This is a sentence fragment. There is a subject but no predicate.

Care to rephrase your post, this time writing a coherent statement?

 

Wow, I read it just fine teacher.

Edited March 28, 2016 by Tacenda

[ksfisher]

5 minutes ago, Jeanne said:

Facefbook is just out there..but everyone posts opinions on things..why have  "big brother" telling you what you can and cannot do?  It is facebook not Sunday School! 

What you say in Sunday School will be forgotten in a couple of weeks, or at least have limited circulation in your own ward.  What you post on Facebook will not go away, there will always be a copy of that post stored somewhere.  Posting on Facebook is not like saying something over the fence to your neighbor, it has the potential to reach millions of people.

[Tacenda]

7 minutes ago, Jeanne said:

Facefbook is just out there..but everyone posts opinions on things..why have  "big brother" telling you what you can and cannot do?  It is facebook not Sunday School! 

Exactly!  I thought the church liked opposition, they thrive on it, IMO.  But not having read her post, it probably wasn't even bad. 

I do remember a very TBM friend of my daughters, who posted the essays on FB, but soon they were taken down.  Maybe someone gave her backlash.  And a friend of mine who posted the essay on plural marriage that showed the polygamy in Utah, and I was bad and asked about the polygamy in Nauvoo, no response.  I could swear it wasn't provided, the essay on Nauvoo, until later.  

[ksfisher]

9 hours ago, Keq82 said:

Freedom of thought...freedom to form your own opinions, regardless if they do or do not conform to what the church approves.   

When a person is baptized a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints they covenant to become a follower of Christ.  We follow the example of the Savior when he said "not my will, but thine, be done." (Luke 22:42)  Christ has established the church as the means through which his gospel is preached and the ordinances of the gospel are administered.  Teaching, speaking, or preaching in a manner which leads people away from the church and the Savior's gospel breaks this covenant to follow Christ.  The church calls this apostasy and calls upon that member to repent and return onto the covenant path of being a disciple of Christ.

[Jeanne]

28 minutes ago, ksfisher said:

What you say in Sunday School will be forgotten in a couple of weeks, or at least have limited circulation in your own ward.  What you post on Facebook will not go away, there will always be a copy of that post stored somewhere.  Posting on Facebook is not like saying something over the fence to your neighbor, it has the potential to reach millions of people.

And......someone wanted to know how she felt about the essays...she answered.  Her right..her thoughts.  There should be a limit on Church control!

[Jeanne]

10 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

This is a sentence fragment. There is a subject but no predicate.

Care to rephrase your post, this time writing a coherent statement?

 

Not really.  I think you get it Scott.  Sorry that I am not an English major.

[Keq82]

10 minutes ago, ksfisher said:

When a person is baptized a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints they covenant to become a follower of Christ.  We follow the example of the Savior when he said "not my will, but thine, be done." (Luke 22:42)  Christ has established the church as the means through which his gospel is preached and the ordinances of the gospel are administered.  Teaching, speaking, or preaching in a manner which leads people away from the church and the Savior's gospel breaks this covenant to follow Christ.  The church calls this apostasy and calls upon that member to repent and return onto the covenant path of being a disciple of Christ.

1. Apostasy:renunciation of a religious faith; abandonment of a previous loyalty

2. How is expressing your opinion on certain church topics considered apostasy?  I guess since "the church calls this apostasy," they don't want anything negative about the church to be discussed, even if it's true.  Are leaders so insecure that they have to worry about and monitor what members post on social media?  

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[ksfisher]

7 minutes ago, Jeanne said:

And......someone wanted to know how she felt about the essays...she answered.  Her right..her thoughts.  There should be a limit on Church control!

Great, share that in a private manner.  What you post on Facebook is public.

[Keq82]

38 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Wow, I read it just fine teacher.

Classic deflection: instead of focusing on what I wrote, he decided that grammar was the primary focus.  

[Jeanne]

2 minutes ago, ksfisher said:

Great, share that in a private manner.  What you post on Facebook is public.

Why..because it is about the Mormon Church?  Private..secret...kind of the LDS way.  Doubt your doubts..keep it to yourself.  We live in a different world now.  I am not going to post on this thread anymore.  I am just so angry!

[Keq82]

45 minutes ago, ksfisher said:

What you say in Sunday School will be forgotten in a couple of weeks, or at least have limited circulation in your own ward.  What you post on Facebook will not go away, there will always be a copy of that post stored somewhere.  Posting on Facebook is not like saying something over the fence to your neighbor, it has the potential to reach millions of people.

That is why facebook is banned in communist China.  If we have the truth and are the one true church, why do opinions on social media matter?  

[ksfisher]

7 minutes ago, Keq82 said:

1. Apostasy:renunciation of a religious faith; abandonment of a previous loyalty

2. How is expressing your opinion on certain church topics considered apostasy?  I guess since "the church calls this apostasy," they don't want anything negative about the church to be discussed, even if it's true.  Are leaders so insecure that they have to worry about and monitor what members post on social media?  

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If you are teaching or speaking against the church you are abandoning your loyalty to it.  Expressing your opinion in a public venue influences others and may lead them away from the church. 

Are leaders so insecure that they monitor members social media posts?  How many hours a week do you imagine a bishop spending monitoring Facebook posts?  I would imagine that the bishop is either friends on Facebook with this member of another member brought it to the bishops attention. 

It seems like there are quite a few people on this board who are rushing to show the church in a negative light without seeing any evidence in the matter.

[JulieM]

20 minutes ago, Jeanne said:

Not really.  I think you get it Scott.  Sorry that I am not an English major.

Yeah, this gets to be extremely annoying.  This is a discussion board, not an Englush class.

And seems he does this when he doesn't really want to address the content of a post.

Edited March 28, 2016 by JulieM

[JulieM]

Double post

Edited March 28, 2016 by JulieM