flameburns623 Posted February 28, 2016 Posted February 28, 2016 Are the helps and reference system changed or updated enough to warrant a chageover? Or are the changes too modest to worry about?
flameburns623 Posted February 29, 2016 Author Posted February 29, 2016 2 hours ago, Duncan said: I like them How are they better, different, or more helpful than the 1981 edition?
Calm Posted February 29, 2016 Posted February 29, 2016 https://www.lds.org/bc/content/shared/content/english/pdf/scriptures/approved-adjustments_eng.pdf?lang=eng
Calm Posted February 29, 2016 Posted February 29, 2016 (edited) https://www.lds.org/bc/content/shared/content/english/pdf/scriptures/scripture-comparison_eng.pdf I don't know if this includes changes in study aids etc as it was taking too long to load up on my ipad. There is a lot of info posted on lds.org about them, google search will give you the above and more. I just used "changes to 2013 edition of lds scriptures". Edited February 29, 2016 by Calm
Calm Posted February 29, 2016 Posted February 29, 2016 Here is a blog on the changes with some examples: http://blog.fairmormon.org/2013/03/05/subtle-and-significant-our-new-2013-edition-of-the-scriptures-address-controversies/
flameburns623 Posted February 29, 2016 Author Posted February 29, 2016 Hmm . . . . To clarify my query. The 1981 edition of the LDS Scriptures were so cutting-edge and usable at the time that even as a Protestant I carried an LDS edition of the Bible alongside my Thompson chain-reference. The drawback of the Thompson was that a lot of the "helps" had not been updated since that study bible had been released. The Thomoson chain refwrence study bible is very usable. But my edition LOOKS very antiquated. Since I purchased mine in 1978, that study bible has undergone a major facelift, I am told. The 1981 LDS Scriptures, by contrast, were very contemporary when I bought my first set. They 'fit' the pre-internet age very well. Of course LDS theology doesn't always square with mainstream Christian teaching. But where it did, a copy of the LDS Holy Bible could expedite Bible study. After the release of the '81 LDS Scriptures, especially in the 1990's, I saw any number of additional study aids come on the LDS after-market. Charts, maps, images, and diagrams. Timelines and bullet points. Quick ready-references for Gospel topics. Many of these were designed with adhesive ro enable them to be permanently inserted into the LDS Standard Works in appropriate places. I thought when I saw many of theae items and producta that if the Church ever updated it's Scriptures, many of those after-market items could well serve as permenant supplements. What I am wondering is if any of those additional study aids actually have made their way into the 2013 edition of LDS Scriptures?
Robert F. Smith Posted February 29, 2016 Posted February 29, 2016 One might want to see also Royal Skousen, “Royal Skousen’s Analysis of 2013 Edition of the Book of Mormon,” Interpreter Blog, online at http://www.mormoninterpreter.com/royal-skousens-analysis-of-2013-edition-of-the-book-of-mormon/#more-2232 . This was followed by my own and others' comments.
Doctrine 612 Posted February 29, 2016 Posted February 29, 2016 I like the new scriptures, the only thing I don't like is that they used thinner paper on my set so I have a lot of ghosting. also the chapter headings don't have interpretation they let the text speak for itself.
Scott Lloyd Posted February 29, 2016 Posted February 29, 2016 3 hours ago, flameburns623 said: Hmm . . . . To clarify my query. The 1981 edition of the LDS Scriptures were so cutting-edge and usable at the time that even as a Protestant I carried an LDS edition of the Bible alongside my Thompson chain-reference. The drawback of the Thompson was that a lot of the "helps" had not been updated since that study bible had been released. The Thomoson chain refwrence study bible is very usable. But my edition LOOKS very antiquated. Since I purchased mine in 1978, that study bible has undergone a major facelift, I am told. The 1981 LDS Scriptures, by contrast, were very contemporary when I bought my first set. They 'fit' the pre-internet age very well. Of course LDS theology doesn't always square with mainstream Christian teaching. But where it did, a copy of the LDS Holy Bible could expedite Bible study. After the release of the '81 LDS Scriptures, especially in the 1990's, I saw any number of additional study aids come on the LDS after-market. Charts, maps, images, and diagrams. Timelines and bullet points. Quick ready-references for Gospel topics. Many of these were designed with adhesive ro enable them to be permanently inserted into the LDS Standard Works in appropriate places. I thought when I saw many of theae items and producta that if the Church ever updated it's Scriptures, many of those after-market items could well serve as permenant supplements. What I am wondering is if any of those additional study aids actually have made their way into the 2013 edition of LDS Scriptures? All of the changes are in the online and mobile app versions of the LDS scriptures. So if I've got my iPod touch with me, I can be confident I'm carrying up-to-date editions of the LDS scriptures. And I don't need wi-fi to do it, as they are resident on my device. That said, the app constantly syncs my highlighting, annotations, tags and cross-references with the "cloud" (my online account at LDS.org). But if you simply must have hard copy editions, it's probably worth the money to get your own leather bound set. Me, I haven't used hard copy in years. I keep a couple of copies -- 1979 and 1981 edition quad and my earlier missionary scriptures -- for archival and sentimental purposes. I even have the scriptures they sold us for use in seminary back in the day (1969-72): a Protestant hard bound Bible with a colorful picture of the Holy Land on the cover and a cheap hard bound edition of the LDS triple combination.
flameburns623 Posted February 29, 2016 Author Posted February 29, 2016 8 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: All of the changes are in the online and mobile app versions of the LDS scriptures. So if I've got my iPod touch with me, I can be confident I'm carrying up-to-date editions of the LDS scriptures. And I don't need wi-fi to do it, as they are resident on my device. That said, the app constantly syncs my highlighting, annotations, tags and cross-references with the "cloud" (my online account at LDS.org). But if you simply must have hard copy editions, it's probably worth the money to get your own leather bound set. Me, I haven't used hard copy in years. I keep a couple of copies -- 1979 and 1981 edition quad and my earlier missionary scriptures -- for archival and sentimental purposes. I even have the scriptures they sold us for use in seminary back in the day (1969-72): a Protestant hard bound Bible with a colorful picture of the Holy Land on the cover and a cheap hard bound edition of the LDS triple combination. Yeah. I am just in my late 50's. In the 20 to 30 years remaining to me, I doubt I shall ever read or own an electronic book of any sort, least of all an electronic scripture.
CA Steve Posted February 29, 2016 Posted February 29, 2016 2 hours ago, flameburns623 said: Yeah. I am just in my late 50's. In the 20 to 30 years remaining to me, I doubt I shall ever read or own an electronic book of any sort, least of all an electronic scripture. I understand this sentiment. I have tried to read books electronically on many occasions and found that with the exception of light fiction it does not lend itself,for me, to the type of reading I like to do, which usually involves a lot of page turning back and forth to reread something or check a footnote and so on. That said there is one area where I find electronic books exceptionally helpful. It is nice to be sitting in a class where the teacher makes a remark that reminds me of something in a book and to be able to bring up that book electronically and find the passage triggered by the teacher's remark. So to have my some of my personal library at hand on either my Kindle Fire or phone turns out to be very helpful. Plus it it great to have around to read when a meeting gets boring, not that I would admit to doing such a thing. 1
theplains Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 I had a question on these two quotes. Intro., par. 1, sent. 2—Changed “a record of God’s dealings with the ancient inhabitants of the Americas” to “a record of God’s dealings with ancient inhabitants of the Americas,” deleting the in “with the ancient inhabitants” to provide clarity and greater accuracy. How does deleting "the" provide clarity and greater accuracy? 10Intro., par. 1, sent. 2—Deleted the phrase “as does the Bible” to provide clarity and accuracy so that the last clause reads: “... and contains the fulness of the everlasting gospel.” Does this mean to say it is more accurate to refer to the Bible as not containing the fulness of the everlasting gospel and thus make the Book of Mormon appear superior? Thanks, Jim
flameburns623 Posted March 14, 2016 Author Posted March 14, 2016 How easy is the typeface on the compact edition? Anyone with aging eyes like mine have trouble? I like the snapover cover but want to be sure the printing is not tiresome to read.
cdowis Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 On 3/1/2016 at 9:16 PM, theplains said: Does this mean to say it is more accurate to refer to the Bible as not containing the fulness of the everlasting gospel and thus make the Book of Mormon appear superior? The BOM and the Bible have different strengths and weaknesses, and compliment each other ("one in thine hand") The BOM assumes that you have the Bible. To me, the change you mentioned is regarding the great strength of the BOM in giving us a comprehensive understanding of the Gospel. think of it in terms of the Articles of Faith -- faith in Christ, repentance, baptism, receiving the Holy Ghost, and endure to the end. It explains them in clarity and power, so that there should be no misunderstanding of those doctrines, which is not found in the Bible (evidence -- the thousand year debate on faith vs works, etc). So, if someone wants to know the "Fullness of the Gospel", they will first turn to the Book of Mormon. In other areas, they would turn to the Bible.
Nevo Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 37 minutes ago, flameburns623 said: How easy is the typeface on the compact edition? Anyone with aging eyes like mine have trouble? I like the snapover cover but want to be sure the printing is not tiresome to read. Supposedly the new typeface is more readable, but I think it looks smaller and more compressed than the old one. And I'm using the regular size scriptures. The type on the compact edition will be much smaller. There's also a miniature version you can buy if you want to carry around the Standard Works in your breast pocket. The type is ridiculously small on those. I know you said you don't plan to ever read scriptures on an electronic device, but for legibility, the version on the Gospel Library app can't be beat. The new fonts look great on an iPad screen (not so much on paper, unfortunately). And you can bring up the cross-references immediately. But for study (as opposed to just reading for long stretches), I still prefer to use a hard copy. There's something satisfying about underlining and writing in the margins, flipping back a page or two to trace the development of an idea, etc. I don't know if you were considering a genuine leather cover but I am personally not a fan of the new ones. They take the imprint of whatever surface they're laid on and scuff easily. I much prefer the old leather covers, which were supple and had a nice grain. However, the new bonded (synthetic leather) covers are very nice.
Scott Lloyd Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 On 2/28/2016 at 6:51 AM, flameburns623 said: Yeah. I am just in my late 50's. In the 20 to 30 years remaining to me, I doubt I shall ever read or own an electronic book of any sort, least of all an electronic scripture. I'm just a bit older than you, and I'm a confirmed e-reader. So age scarcely has anything to do with it.
flameburns623 Posted March 14, 2016 Author Posted March 14, 2016 6 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: I'm just a bit older than you, and I'm a confirmed e-reader. So age scarcely has anything to do with it. I'm a devout technophobe.
theplains Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 1 hour ago, cdowis said: The BOM and the Bible have different strengths and weaknesses, and compliment each other ("one in thine hand") So, if someone wants to know the "Fullness of the Gospel", they will first turn to the Book of Mormon. In other areas, they would turn to the Bible. Your "one in thine hand" is a reference to the tribes of Israel and Judah becoming one nation, not the Bible and Book of Mormon. As for your other comment, the Book of Mormon lacks several significant gospel principles taught by the LDS Church today. Regards, Jim
Bernard Gui Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 8 hours ago, theplains said: Your "one in thine hand" is a reference to the tribes of Israel and Judah becoming one nation, not the Bible and Book of Mormon. As for your other comment, the Book of Mormon lacks several significant gospel principles taught by the LDS Church today. Regards, Jim Which doctrines?
theplains Posted March 16, 2016 Posted March 16, 2016 On 15/03/2016 at 4:02 AM, Bernard Gui said: Which doctrines? I used the phrase "gospel principles". I found it rather strange that the LDS Church would retract the statement about the Bible also containing the fulness of the gospel as does the Book of Mormon. Such principles are missing from the Book of Mormon: Heavenly Father is an exalted man Humans can become gods Word of Wisdom Celestial Marriage Jesus is the first spirit children of heavenly parents Temple work and family history Proxy baptism in the bronze basin Regards, Jim
Duncan Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 18 minutes ago, theplains said: I used the phrase "gospel principles". I found it rather strange that the LDS Church would retract the statement about the Bible also containing the fulness of the gospel as does the Book of Mormon. Such principles are missing from the Book of Mormon: Heavenly Father is an exalted man Humans can become gods Word of Wisdom Celestial Marriage Jesus is the first spirit children of heavenly parents Temple work and family history Proxy baptism in the bronze basin Regards, Jim "The Book of Mormon contains the fulness of the gospel of Jesus Christ (D&C 20:9). That does not mean it contains every teaching, every doctrine ever revealed. Rather, it means that in the Book of Mormon we will find the fulness of those doctrines required for our salvation. And they are taught plainly and simply so that even children can learn the ways of salvation and exaltation" Pres. Benson 2
maklelan Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 Interesting thread We're currently in the process of updating the existing translations of the scriptures with the 2013 changes, so I've had to stare at tables with every last change on them for some time now. The majority are tiny little formatting things that don't change meaning at all. The biggest changes are the additions of historical introductions to the Official Declarations (which, among other things, acknowledge that we can't say the priesthood ban was the product of revelation), changes to the section headings in the D&C, some changes to some Book of Mormon headings, and the changes in the Book of Mormon intro that suggests the Lehite descendants are only "among" the ancestors of Native Americans. I have my own concerns with the helpfulness and accuracy of portions of the Bible dictionary, the Guide to the Scriptures, and the footnotes. 3
flameburns623 Posted March 18, 2016 Author Posted March 18, 2016 (edited) Are there new additions to the D&C? I keep thinking the Proclamation On The Family will be canonized. Edited March 18, 2016 by flameburns623
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