Popular Post Johnnie Cake Posted February 9, 2016 Popular Post Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) I'm a former banned/restricted member of this board. I'm guessing I'm still on some form of restriction or monitoring, so be it. Since the Mods have opened up MD&D to those of us from the borderlands of Mormonism and given us the opportunity to participate more openly on the board, speaking only for myself, I have found the discourse stimulating, challenging and for the most part friendly. I just wanted to say thank you to all of the members of this board. I appreciate the opportunity to have my worldview challeneged...it honestly helps me in my quest for truth. Thank you...I've gained a new appreciation and respect for this forum and its members. Thanks for allowing me to participate. Edited February 9, 2016 by Johnnie Cake 16
TheSkepticChristian Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 6 minutes ago, Johnnie Cake said: I just wanted to say thank you to all of the members of this board. I appreciate the opportunity to have my worldview challeneged. 99% of the people don't appreciate that 7 minutes ago, Johnnie Cake said: .it honestly helps me in my quest for truth. In History there are no truths, just interpretations.
Johnnie Cake Posted February 9, 2016 Author Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheSkepticChristian said: 99% of the people don't appreciate that In History there are no truths, just interpretations. I'm still a believer in empirical truths...even if they are just my observations and interpretations Edited February 9, 2016 by Johnnie Cake 2
TheSkepticChristian Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 41 minutes ago, Johnnie Cake said: I'm still a believer in empirical truths...even if they just my observations and interpretations good
RevTestament Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 48 minutes ago, Johnnie Cake said: I'm a former banned/restricted member of this board. I'm guessing I'm still on some form of restriction or monitoring, so be it. Since the Mods have opened up MD&D to those of us from the borderlands of Mormonism and given us the opportunity to participate more openly on the board, speaking only for myself, I have found the discourse stimulating, challenging and for the most part friendly. I just wanted to say thank you to all of the members of this board. I appreciate the opportunity to have my worldview challeneged...it honestly helps me in my quest for truth. Thank you...I've gained a new appreciation and respect for this forum and its members. Thanks for allowing me to participate. You don't need to thank me for that, but you are welcome for your part in respectful seeking discourse. None of us sees nor interprets everything the same way. Scripture often has at least two layers of interpretation. We are all in the same boat trying to make our way as best we can....
Robert F. Smith Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, Johnnie Cake said: I'm still a believer in empirical truths...even if they are just my observations and interpretations Read David Hume. Edited February 9, 2016 by Robert F. Smith misspelled name. 1
rodheadlee Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 5 hours ago, Johnnie Cake said: I'm a former banned/restricted member of this board. I'm guessing I'm still on some form of restriction or monitoring, so be it. Since the Mods have opened up MD&D to those of us from the borderlands of Mormonism and given us the opportunity to participate more openly on the board, speaking only for myself, I have found the discourse stimulating, challenging and for the most part friendly. I just wanted to say thank you to all of the members of this board. I appreciate the opportunity to have my worldview challeneged...it honestly helps me in my quest for truth. Thank you...I've gained a new appreciation and respect for this forum and its members. Thanks for allowing me to participate. Cool, I like the new Johnny Cake. I guess I owe you an apology for assuming bad intent on your Ether thread.
Johnnie Cake Posted February 9, 2016 Author Posted February 9, 2016 38 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said: Read David Humer. Haha...don't you mean Hume? I'm familiar with David Hume's causation and effect theories. But modern philosophy has pretty much settled that question don't you think with observation and inductive reasoning? It's the foundation that all of science is built upon...its how scientific truth is established
Robert F. Smith Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 8 minutes ago, Johnnie Cake said: Haha...don't you mean Hume? I'm familiar with David Hume's causation and effect theories. But modern philosophy has pretty much settled that question don't you think with observation and inductive reasoning? It's the foundation that all of science is built upon...its how scientific truth is established Really, I wasn't trying to be funny. A simple error. As Hume pointed out, we are prisoners of our senses, which forever prevents full objectivity. 4
The Nehor Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 6 hours ago, Johnnie Cake said: I'm still a believer in empirical truths...even if they are just my observations and interpretations So you believe in empirical truth but define this truth as your observations and interpretations. And I thought I was arrogant....... 2
TheSkepticChristian Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Robert F. Smith said: Really, I wasn't trying to be funny. A simple error. As Hume pointed out, we are prisoners of our senses, which forever prevents full objectivity. True, but medical science doesn't care about full objectivity.
Tacenda Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 This is my go-to place, I love the diversity and the thought provoking wisdom. And feel fortunate to even get the time of day here. Plus, where else can you speak to people clear across the world on a daily basis with as long a conversation as you need? This forum is the bomb. Not all one-sided, or trashy. Very classy stuff. Moderators are to thank for that. But, still sophisticated enough to allow for some pretty controversial subjects that even my NOM friends, don't reach. I keep thinking they're missing out, and wish they'd visit or join in. I can honestly say that this place keeps me sane, when it's not driving me insane. 4
Meadowchik Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 2 hours ago, The Nehor said: So you believe in empirical truth but define this truth as your observations and interpretations. And I thought I was arrogant....... It only ever can be our perception of what is empirical. Realising that you are subject to the limits of your own perception, no matter how much you desire truth, is healthy, even may be humble and not necessarily arrogant. 1
Gray Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 13 hours ago, Johnnie Cake said: I'm still a believer in empirical truths...even if they are just my observations and interpretations Before MFB comes in, just add the following to that: your philosophical outlook about empirical truths is useful to you and bears good fruit in your life. That should cover the inevitable Rortian objections. 2
Johnnie Cake Posted February 9, 2016 Author Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) 8 hours ago, The Nehor said: So you believe in empirical truth but define this truth as your observations and interpretations. And I thought I was arrogant....... Nehor...I don't expect you to follow all of my posts...even though I know that you do...but it was a gentle wink to my exchange with Mfbukowski Edited February 9, 2016 by Johnnie Cake 1
Johnnie Cake Posted February 9, 2016 Author Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) 10 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: Really, I wasn't trying to be funny. A simple error. As Hume pointed out, we are prisoners of our senses, which forever prevents full objectivity. I respect the philosophies of Hume and although we've come along way since the 18th century he seems to be ahead of his time in promoting skepticism of religious claims Edited February 9, 2016 by Johnnie Cake
Robert F. Smith Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 13 hours ago, TheSkepticChristian said: True, but medical science doesn't care about full objectivity. Yeh, but they play the odds, and do so quite successfully. However, allopaths are only interested in their narrow range of success, ignoring all others.
Robert F. Smith Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 5 hours ago, Johnnie Cake said: I respect the philosophies of Hume and although we've come along way since the 18th century he seems to be ahead of his time in promoting skepticism of religious claims Of course the late Bertrand Russell (the great British empiricist) thought that nothing new had been said in philosophy since the Greeks.
Johnnie Cake Posted February 9, 2016 Author Posted February 9, 2016 16 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said: Of course the late Bertrand Russell (the great British empiricist) thought that nothing new had been said in philosophy since the Greeks. He was probably correct
mfbukowski Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 2 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: Of course the late Bertrand Russell (the great British empiricist) thought that nothing new had been said in philosophy since the Greeks. Meh. Philosophy is more about psychology than many think. There are only so many ways that we can mirror our brain processes and project them into "reality". New twists, like induction for example, new problems like how one accounts for reductionist views of consciousness, new understandings of language and representation. It's kind of like science really. I mean Democritus came up with atomic theory, but it has changed just a tad. Our little brains all just have so many ways to put it all together! 1
Scott Lloyd Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 On February 9, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Johnnie Cake said: I'm a former banned/restricted member of this board. I'm guessing I'm still on some form of restriction or monitoring, so be it. Since the Mods have opened up MD&D to those of us from the borderlands of Mormonism and given us the opportunity to participate more openly on the board, speaking only for myself, I have found the discourse stimulating, challenging and for the most part friendly. I just wanted to say thank you to all of the members of this board. I appreciate the opportunity to have my worldview challeneged...it honestly helps me in my quest for truth. Thank you...I've gained a new appreciation and respect for this forum and its members. Thanks for allowing me to participate. I hope this means you won't again be ascribing personal animus to me if I happen to disagree with you as you as you did in our discussion about whether the Church had invited Meldrum's people in to hold a meeting at the Joseph Smith Memorial Building.
Guest Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 8 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: I hope this means you won't again be ascribing personal animus to me if I happen to disagree with you as you as you did in our discussion about whether the Church had invited Meldrum's people in to hold a meeting at the Joseph Smith Memorial Building. Scott I have nothing but respect for you and your perspective. It was never my intention for my remarks to mistaken as animus...think if it more as my passion coming through
Johnnie Cake Posted February 11, 2016 Author Posted February 11, 2016 3 minutes ago, Guest said: Scott I have nothing but respect for you and your perspective. It was never my intention for my remarks to mistaken as animus...think if it more as my passion coming through It's me just hadn't signed in
Guest Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 On February 9, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Johnnie Cake said: I'm a former banned/restricted member of this board. I'm guessing I'm still on some form of restriction or monitoring, so be it. Since the Mods have opened up MD&D to those of us from the borderlands of Mormonism and given us the opportunity to participate more openly on the board, speaking only for myself, I have found the discourse stimulating, challenging and for the most part friendly. I just wanted to say thank you to all of the members of this board. I appreciate the opportunity to have my worldview challeneged...it honestly helps me in my quest for truth. Thank you...I've gained a new appreciation and respect for this forum and its members. Thanks for allowing me to participate. What has changed is they have given us a second chance to remember we are guests. Something that many (including myself) had forgotten. Everyone is and has always been welcome provided they make their case without being rude and with violating posting privileges by posting several threads a day or week. Kindness, respect and good manners were always rewarded and failing to heed warnings were punished. Good to have you back and I am glad to be allowed to fully take part again. We all stumble from time to time...the key is to not keep tripping over our feet again and again.
Scott Lloyd Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Johnnie Cake said: It's me just hadn't signed in So you can make posts now without registering or logging in? That's a new thing. Edited February 11, 2016 by Scott Lloyd
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