Kenngo1969 Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 I thought they got rid of Area Presidencies within the United States? ... https://www.lds.org/church/news/church-announces-2015-area-leadership-assignments?lang=eng
Guest Posted September 18, 2015 Posted September 18, 2015 Even I get things wrong at times. . I was thinking you were being protective of those of us on the board which is a nice thing to be, I was not criticizing you for it. Just making my own observations.I was...if talking to me. I spend a lot of time on other sites where this type of thing happens all the time. I do fear that I get somewhat jaded.
Popular Post StorminMormonThrowaway Posted September 19, 2015 Author Popular Post Posted September 19, 2015 Thank you everyone. I met with my new Bishop for today, for the first time actually. We went for breakfast, got to know each other, and I laid everything on the table for him, from my past, my health history, actions of my past Bishop, how I felt about it, etc. He was phenomenal. He explained to me not to worry, to cut contact with the past Bishop, and to give him the number of my former Stake President and that he would make sure I wasn't bothered in the future. I feel like a weight is off my shoulders. I feel supported by my Bishop. I've learned a lot about leadership, confidentiality, how to handle health issues in a ward, as well as gossip, and how to talk with leaders. 8
Stargazer Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 Yes, this is great! I thought it would work out well once Stormin' contacted the new bishop. I have known people who were great folks and admired by all, who nevertheless have had "those moments" when they just fell way short of their normal sterlingness. I'm thinking the old bishop is having one of "those moments", and is normally a great guy. Seems like a rather exceptionally bad break with excellence, however.
StorminMormonThrowaway Posted September 25, 2015 Author Posted September 25, 2015 I thought this was done, but I have to ask something. Tonight I went to go check the new ward directory because I'm having the missionaries over tomorrow to feed them. I knew my records had been in my new ward for a while, and suddenly they were back in my old YSA ward with my old Bishop... Is that typical? Or okay?
StorminMormonThrowaway Posted September 25, 2015 Author Posted September 25, 2015 Also...I just realized that my old Bishop has changed my address to his own...listed as "c/o 1234 56th Street" (<- I changed it for the post). Talking with my parents they're extremely concerned and upset because the c/o essentially asks that all my church mail arrive at his place.
Calm Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 You need to tell your bishop right away and inform his stake president he is doing this without your permission or your bishop's permission. There are some things that are automatic because they assume people in authority aren't going to stalker types. He is interfering with mail which is a criminal offense iirc. If so, you could report him to the police. 1
Kenngo1969 Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 (edited) Thank you everyone. I met with my new Bishop for today, for the first time actually. We went for breakfast, got to know each other, and I laid everything on the table for him, from my past, my health history, actions of my past Bishop, how I felt about it, etc. He was phenomenal. He explained to me not to worry, to cut contact with the past Bishop, and to give him the number of my former Stake President and that he would make sure I wasn't bothered in the future. I feel like a weight is off my shoulders. I feel supported by my Bishop. I've learned a lot about leadership, confidentiality, how to handle health issues in a ward, as well as gossip, and how to talk with leaders. Provided we have all of the relevant facts, I think your case is a perfect illustration of why it is that, provided someone is not moving simply to "game the system" (my phrase) with respect to Church welfare benefits or to escape legitimate Church discipline, a former bishop loses his stewardship over someone the minute that person leaves the Ward boundaries, and a new bishop gains that stewardship the minute that person enters new Ward boundaries. I'm glad things worked out well for you. P.S.: And nope, no shenanigans like that should be going on with your address. Talk to your new bishop. Edited September 25, 2015 by Kenngo1969
Garden Girl Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 Go to your new bishop immediately and tell him about the c/o of your mail to the old bishop's address... this is really creepy... there's no reason for your records to have been sent back to the old YSA ward. I agree with Calm... this is tampering with mail, which is illegal since you did not authorize his action. And by all means, report this to HIS stake president. Someone needs to be aware of his actions. But you need your new bishop's help also. GG
Storm Rider Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 Tell your bishop and he will handle it. The fact that you have already given him your old stake president's number/contact information assures you of this. Also, request that your records immediately be returned to your new ward and that no further transfer of your records occurs without you first moving from your new ward boundaries. This has elevated to an very unusual set of circumstances that demands a high degree of attention from church leaders at multiple levels. If you use your bishop at the point of reference and contact it will save you both headache and stress. It will also limit the number of chefs in the kitchen and contact is handled appropriately. The previous bishop is way out of bounds; in fact, I have never heard of a similar circumstance regarding church records. Very strange actions indeed.
Sleeper Cell Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 Also...I just realized that my old Bishop has changed my address to his own...listed as "c/o 1234 56th Street" (<- I changed it for the post). Talking with my parents they're extremely concerned and upset because the c/o essentially asks that all my church mail arrive at his place. What he has done is essentially the same as stealing mail from your mail box. You need to immediately report this to your post office, as well as to the police. The post office specializes in handling these sorts of crimes, and in my experience, give them high priority. They may give your case even higher priority as it appears that they were also victims (presumably, he filed a fraudulent document with the post office). I also recommend consulting your attorney to explore your legal options. Not that I would suggest civil action at this time (the post office and the church probably will succeed in putting an end to this). But it is always good to have a “Plan B” in reserve.
MorningStar Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 So your records were sent back to your old ward and the directory shows your address as your old bishop's address?
StorminMormonThrowaway Posted September 26, 2015 Author Posted September 26, 2015 Yes. Specifically my address says "care of" for mail.
StorminMormonThrowaway Posted September 26, 2015 Author Posted September 26, 2015 Talked with my Bishop here and he was not aware that my records had been transferred.
Garden Girl Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 Talked with my Bishop here and he was not aware that my records had been transferred. Why are you putting up with this... you need to be stronger in your objections... if it were me, I would be telling that older bishop that if he continued to try and contact me or illegally intercept my mail that he would face a formal complaint and possibly a police and/or legal action. I would tell his stake president in no uncertain terms that I expected them to take some action to put a halt to this situatioon... or else...But that's just me... I still think you need to be more forceful in your complaints. GG
Calm Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 Talked with my Bishop here and he was not aware that my records had been transferred.The ward membership clerk would probably handle this stuff and tell him on Sunday who moved in or out of the ward....at least that is how I think it is done in our ward (husband is clerk, he is the one to talk to newbies about moving their records). 1
The Nehor Posted September 26, 2015 Posted September 26, 2015 What he has done is essentially the same as stealing mail from your mail box. You need to immediately report this to your post office, as well as to the police. The post office specializes in handling these sorts of crimes, and in my experience, give them high priority. They may give your case even higher priority as it appears that they were also victims (presumably, he filed a fraudulent document with the post office). I also recommend consulting your attorney to explore your legal options. Not that I would suggest civil action at this time (the post office and the church probably will succeed in putting an end to this). But it is always good to have a “Plan B” in reserve. Actually that depends. If he put that mailing address on the ward directory for Church-sent mail only then there is no criminal offense. Still seems shady but it is an internal church matter and the church can send mail to wherever it likes. If he set up a forwarding address and informed the post office to forward all mail sent to you to the new address then that is criminal. This whole situation is odd. The only reason I can think of is that the police report you filed resulted in some kind of legal action or more in-depth police investigation and the Bishop is trying to get more information presumably to help your old roommates. All you have told is is that you were doing "weird" things online as a "maladaptive coping strategy" and then out of the blue your roommates start harassing you and your friend online (provoked?). You said you put it behind you and yet the police investigation is "ongoing"? You are still involved until that report is complete. If I was the bishop I would be very concerned if I had ward members being investigated at the instigation of another ward member. I don't think I would go to the length of grabbing their records back but I might consider working with the new bishop if I thought church discipline was still warranted. A lot of things not adding up here. And no, this is not a request for you to clarify. In fact you should probably ask a mod to delete this thread if there is an ongoing investigation. You probably do not want this thread being entered as evidence and that is very possible. 1
Kenngo1969 Posted September 28, 2015 Posted September 28, 2015 ... [T]his not a request for you to clarify. In fact you should probably ask a mod to delete this thread if there is an ongoing investigation. You probably do not want this thread being entered as evidence and that is very possible.It's hearsay, and I can't think of an exception to the Hearsay Rule under which it would be admitted into evidence (especially since, not only is it hearsay, it's anonymous hearsay ...)* I'm not trying to be quarrelsome; it's simply that I'm inclined to take advantage of whatever opportunity I can find (however meager and meaningless) to put my education to use. Lord knows I paid enough for it: I ought to get something out of it! *This comes with the usual caveat: I am not a lawyer. Anyone with questions about the Hearsay Rule, about the Rules of Evidence in general, or about other legal matters should consult an attorney who is licensed to practice in the jurisdiction where the questions arose. 1
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