HappyJackWagon Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 Not so strange when you consider the lag time. Things may have improved in recent years, but I once heard that the Church magazines have something like a six-month lag between production and print publication.No. That is really strange. Are you suggesting the church is incapable of coordinating dates of a book release, an Ensign article and a press conference? Really? The magazine publication will be on a standard schedule they can predict and even control. Book releases are planned even further in advance, sometimes even a year or more. So one would expect you look at the book release date and have the article waiting for insertion into the magazine close to that date. You then schedule the press conference to coincide with both. This isn't rocket science. I suppose I have greater confidence in the church's ability to coordinate and plan.
Brian 2.0 Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) It's a skill that anyone can learn. You're basically using your scrying tool to tune out distractions to the point where you can directly access your unconscious mind. It's similar to sensory deprivation. It should be noted, however, that it is your own unconscious mind that is being accessed, and that may or may not reflect reality. In my own tradition, the greater part of scrying is skepticism. Also, as I alluded to earlier, I wouldn't consider that rock a good scrying tool. It has too many of its own distractions on it. I suspect that Joseph Smith's hat was the real scrying tool. It's what I would have used instead of the rock, though my own personal preference would be a surface painted vantablack. Pardon my ignorance. I don't know your tradition. When you are doing this do you feel you are accessing something beyond your own unconscious mind? An external source "speaking" to you or anything like that? p.s. I need some of that super black material into a shirt so it's impossible to see my ever growing spare tire in my midsection. Edited August 11, 2015 by Brian 2.0
jkwilliams Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 The next time someone says a quick prayer and asks the Holy Spirit to help them find lost car keys or cell phones, this should be at the top of their mind. The question for me is whether people who hired Joseph's services believed it had anything to do with prayer or the Holy Spirit. I've never seen any suggestion that they did.
stemelbow Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 The question for me is whether people who hired Joseph's services believed it had anything to do with prayer or the Holy Spirit. I've never seen any suggestion that they did. The question is who are the "they"? as I can find only one hired joseph, specifically for some digging for treasure. I've never seen anyone else named besides Josiah Stowell. have you?
jkwilliams Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 The question is who are the "they"? as I can find only one hired joseph, specifically for some digging for treasure. I've never seen anyone else named besides Josiah Stowell. have you? What I'm saying is that the idea of "second sight" seems to have existed separately from religion in Joseph Smith's day and place, and I haven't seen anything that suggests that anyone believed differently about Joseph Smith's "gift."
ALarson Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 The question is who are the "they"? as I can find only one hired joseph, specifically for some digging for treasure. I've never seen anyone else named besides Josiah Stowell. have you?I've read that Jacob Chamberlain and Oliver Harper hired Joseph for treasure seeking. I'm going from memory here and I'd need to look this up again.
ttribe Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 I've read that Jacob Chamberlain and Oliver Harper hired Joseph for treasure seeking. I'm going from memory here and I'd need to look this up again. IB4TCFR
jkwilliams Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 I've read that Jacob Chamberlain and Oliver Harper hired Joseph for treasure seeking. I'm going from memory here and I'd need to look this up again. Martin Harris had him locate a pin. Does that count?
ALarson Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 IB4TCFRDoes that mean you want references? If so, I'll see if I can find where I read this since as I stated, I'm going from memory here
Tsuzuki Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 Pardon my ignorance. I don't know your tradition. Thelema, the magical tradition of Aleister Crowley. When you are doing this do you feel you are accessing something beyond your own unconscious mind? An external source "speaking" to you or anything like that? I reserve judgement until I've compared it with other observations. Until then, it's just raw data. My default assumption is that it's just my own mind, though even then, it can help me tackle problems from angles I hadn't consciously considered.
ttribe Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 Does that mean you want references? If so, I'll see if I can find where I read this since as I stated, I'm going from memory here Nope, it's shorthand for "In Before The Call For References"...it was a joke.
ALarson Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) Nope, it's shorthand for "In Before The Call For References"...it was a joke. Oh...I wasn't familiar with that! Got it Edited August 11, 2015 by ALarson
CA Steve Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 The question is who are the "they"? as I can find only one hired joseph, specifically for some digging for treasure. I've never seen anyone else named besides Josiah Stowell. have you?Didn't Stowell hire Joseph because of his reputation?How does one get a reputation for finding stuff with out having actually engaged in doing it?
stemelbow Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 What I'm saying is that the idea of "second sight" seems to have existed separately from religion in Joseph Smith's day and place, and I haven't seen anything that suggests that anyone believed differently about Joseph Smith's "gift." So nobody thought Joseph's use of the stone by sticking it in the hat was an effort to enable the powers of God?
bjw Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 Thelema, the magical tradition of Aleister Crowley. I reserve judgement until I've compared it with other observations. Until then, it's just raw data. My default assumption is that it's just my own mind, though even then, it can help me tackle problems from angles I hadn't consciously considered.This makes sense since Thelema is all about a person's true will. I wonder if this could somehow connect to Mormonism scripture encouraging you to study something out in your mind to see if it feels right before finding the answer through prayer. I'll bet this was discussed at the talk that was mentioned comparing the two traditions, I hate it I had to miss that. 1
Zakuska Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 Didn't Stowell hire Joseph because of his reputation?How does one get a reputation for finding stuff with out having actually engaged in doing it? Or actually finding Stuff.
Tsuzuki Posted August 12, 2015 Posted August 12, 2015 This makes sense since Thelema is all about a person's true will. I wonder if this could somehow connect to Mormonism scripture encouraging you to study something out in your mind to see if it feels right before finding the answer through prayer. I'll bet this was discussed at the talk that was mentioned comparing the two traditions, I hate it I had to miss that. You need to do more than just study it out in your mind. Take notes and compare your information with other independent sources of data. Use the method of science.
Stargazer Posted August 13, 2015 Posted August 13, 2015 What I'm saying is that the idea of "second sight" seems to have existed separately from religion in Joseph Smith's day and place, and I haven't seen anything that suggests that anyone believed differently about Joseph Smith's "gift." ``I am reminded of Orson Scott Card's "Alvin Maker" trilogy. Or was it a four-parter? Card made folk magic real for that series.
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