Hamilton Porter Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 - 90% of the content he presents is anti.- Like Dehlin and other anti's he's begging members to read the Church essays. When he presents the essays, he prefaces them in the most negative way possible, instead of let the essays speak for themselves.- When someone calls him out on being negative towards the Church [church history is problematic, blah blah blah], he responds to the effect of, "Oh yeah...I was just expressing concerns some have regarding the Church."- Does not turn completely anti in order to straddle both sides- He says he still has a testimony, but there's nothing in his online behavior that manifests such.- Loves Faulconer's faith stages model (or whatever the hades that is) like it's scientific. The only difference is he doesn't have a college degree and consequently doesn't do as good of a job hiding it. 1
provoman Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 Is Bill Reel an active member of this board? Is this the kinds of religious discussions this board is about?
Popular Post HappyJackWagon Posted August 3, 2015 Popular Post Posted August 3, 2015 (edited) 1- Bill posts on this board. How would you feel if I started a thread "Is Hamilton Porter An Apostate?" You probably wouldn't like it so try to have some respect for others on the board. 2- It's FOWLER's stages of Faith. At least get your complaint right. 3- The anti's are begging people to read the church essays? How dare they refer people to church sources. And no, sources don't speak for themselves. Commentary is a regular part of life and discussion. 4- You seem to have Bill all figured out. I assume you've listened to all of his podcasts and read his commentaries and articles, right. You're sure comfortable passing judgement so I hope you're at least informed enough to back up your claims. 5- Don't be a jerk and attack someone's education or intelligence. It tells us much more about you than him. Edited August 3, 2015 by HappyJackWagon 16
ttribe Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 - 90% of the content he presents is anti. Really? How did you measure "90%" and what do you consider "anti"? 2
Popular Post canard78 Posted August 3, 2015 Popular Post Posted August 3, 2015 (edited) Before this topic gets locked (and it inevitably will) I'm going to share a conversation I had with my sister. She is active and has a strong, conventional, orthodox testimony. She regularly listens to Bill's podcast and appreciates his willingness to present an open-minded and inclusive view of Mormonism. She was saddened by my disaffection with Mormonism but Bill's podcasts have helped her to gain a better understanding of the spectrum of belief. She says she is strengthened and uplifted by his messages. Edited August 3, 2015 by canard78 10
Hamilton Porter Posted August 3, 2015 Author Posted August 3, 2015 1- Bill posts on this board. How would you feel if I started a thread "Is Hamilton Porter An Apostate?" You probably wouldn't like it so try to have some respect for others on the board. Do it! 1
Popular Post HappyJackWagon Posted August 3, 2015 Popular Post Posted August 3, 2015 Do it!Nope. I have more class than that. The end. 6
rockpond Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 - 90% of the content he presents is anti. CFR because I highly doubt that number is true. He might occasionally discuss something "anti" but for the most part is podcasts are all about "leading with faith". 1
canard78 Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 It probably doesn't do Bill's cause much good that it's the "borderlands" Mormons leaping to his defense. 2
Popular Post Buckeye Posted August 3, 2015 Popular Post Posted August 3, 2015 (edited) I know Bill personally. I don't know John, but I've listened to probably 100 episodes of his over the years (learned a lot). I agree this post is disrespectful and likely to get shut down. Before that happens I'll just point out a few differences. Bill converted around the time he graduated from HS. He has served in many callings, including as a bishop. While he certainly has come to embrace the reality that church leaders can made mistakes (even big doctrinal ones like the priesthood ban) Bill has a strong testimony of the gospel and his first impulse is to encourage people to stay active. If I had to put him in a "camp" I'd say his approach is more similar to Bushman's than Dehlin's - though of course he doesn't have the background of Bushman (who does?). And if I had to point to the biggest difference between him and John, it would be that Bill has a very strong testimony of Christ, grace, and the atonement. ETA: If I had to point to the biggest similarity between Bill and John, it's that both have been labeled "anti" so many times by people who don't know them that they've developed an immunity. Edited August 3, 2015 by Buckeye 9
Popular Post UtahTexan Posted August 3, 2015 Popular Post Posted August 3, 2015 I have listened to Bill's Podcasts AND had an Email conversation with him. He is not anti. This thread should be locked. 5
readstoomuch Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 Bill, is not 90% anti-mormon. I don`t agree with all of his opinions and think he is wrong on some of them. He is active and his podcast is about "leading with faith."For an orthodox mormon who doesn`t know the issues it would`t be any more shocking than reading this message board for a half an hour. LGBT issues come up more than I would choose if it were my podcast (please don`t let this disintegrate into an LGBT thread). Listen to a few of his podcasts. There was a recent one on proofs of the Book of Mormon.
Hamilton Porter Posted August 3, 2015 Author Posted August 3, 2015 OK, I now another difference. He appears to be a nice guy, more charitable, and doesn't harbor vendettas towards his enemies. Not the narcissist Dehlin is. Less ego-driven. As far as the Church goes, goals appear to be the same.
ttribe Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 OK, I now another difference. He appears to be a nice guy, more charitable, and doesn't harbor vendettas towards his enemies. Not the narcissist Dehlin is. Less ego-driven. As far as the Church goes, goals appear to be the same. And that would be.....? 1
stemelbow Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 If he's anti, I wonder what that makes me? What's worst than anti in yoru view?
rockpond Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 OK, I now another difference. He appears to be a nice guy, more charitable, and doesn't harbor vendettas towards his enemies. Not the narcissist Dehlin is. Less ego-driven. As far as the Church goes, goals appear to be the same. You appear to not really be familiar with the content of his podcasts.
Hamilton Porter Posted August 3, 2015 Author Posted August 3, 2015 You appear to not really be familiar with the content of his podcasts. I heard his Terryl Givens podcast and he was very faith-promoting. But like Dehlin, he appears to be evolving.
Coreyb Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 speaking of Bill Reel his interview of Michael Quinn is now free! Yay! also I've never thought he was anti mormon, just a more liberal mormon
The Nehor Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 I am confused. So do I or don't I have to top my last offensive post use when someone was excommunicated? Some advance warning would be nice,
ttribe Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 I heard his Terryl Givens podcast and he was very faith-promoting. But like Dehlin, he appears to be evolving. This is now the third comment like this; can you provide examples, please? 2
HappyJackWagon Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 I heard his Terryl Givens podcast and he was very faith-promoting. But like Dehlin, he appears to be evolving.Your psychoanalysis is lacking. You might want to stop trying.How about we stop talking about another person and stick to issues 1
stemelbow Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 I heard his Terryl Givens podcast and he was very faith-promoting. But like Dehlin, he appears to be evolving. So now evolving is a bad thing? Alright. 1
Buckeye Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 Another little difference. Bill attends the temple pretty regularly. At least he did before he moved out of my stake last summer. I assume he has it even easier now that he lives in Utah.
rockpond Posted August 3, 2015 Posted August 3, 2015 I heard his Terryl Givens podcast and he was very faith-promoting. But like Dehlin, he appears to be evolving. So you've listened to one podcast and you've now determined that he's apostate (or heading that direction)? This is ridiculous. You haven't answered my CFR. Please do so. And, either start identifying actual things Bill has said or written that are "anti" or retract the claim.
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