Modern Prophets On Tent Cities, Avow, Etc.

[ERayR]

Try telling Wonder Woman that.

 

Okay but she is one of a kind.

[ERayR]

Don't get me wrong, I am a huge proponent and observer of preparedness and self-reliance.  There will be "days of tribulation" no doubt.  There is an enormous difference between teaching and living preparedness and obsessive fear mongering and end-of-world pseudo-prophesying, which I have seen my fair share of.  It is almost ridiculous to hear some of the claims that they make to support their obsessive fanaticism including 2012 prophecies of the Maya, or their cousins, friends girlfriend had a NDE in which she saw how things are REALLY going to happen in end times.  Or, my sisters, babysitter said that so and so came to their stake conference and said... so be sure and buy this special fabric or soap or tonic which will protect you against certain distruction of cold or disease which will come upon you if you don't have it!  They go above and beyond preparedness into conspiracy theory style prophecies and warnings.  

 

The really disturbing part about it is that they talk about it with excitement, as if they can't wait for this terrible, terrible day.  It's as if they are looking forward more to the time that they can say "I told you so" to their starving, diseased, or dying neighbors, then they are about the coming of the Lord.  They can't wait to turn away their hungry neighbors by the end of their assault weapons as they say, "who's laughing now".  It is quite disturbing. 

 

I cannot speak specifically about Roger Young or AVOW

 

Now tonic I can really understand .  Even if nothing happens one need a lot of good tonic.

[pogi]

Okay but she is one of a kind.

 

Yes she was!

 

[pogi]

Now tonic I can really understand .  Even if nothing happens one need a lot of good tonic.

 

If you ever need a good herbal tonic for Ebola or bird-flu, I have a couple good sources. 

[The Nehor]

Don't get me wrong, I am a huge proponent and observer of preparedness and self-reliance.  There will be "days of tribulation" no doubt.  There is an enormous difference between teaching and living preparedness and obsessive fear mongering and end-of-world pseudo-prophesying, which I have seen my fair share of.  It is almost ridiculous to hear some of the claims that they make to support their obsessive fanaticism including 2012 prophecies of the Maya, or their cousins, friends girlfriend had a NDE in which she saw how things are REALLY going to happen in end times.  Or, my sisters, babysitter said that so and so came to their stake conference and said... so be sure and buy this special fabric or soap or tonic which will protect you against certain distruction of cold or disease which will come upon you if you don't have it!  They go above and beyond preparedness into conspiracy theory style prophecies and warnings.  

 

The really disturbing part about it is that they talk about it with excitement, as if they can't wait for this terrible, terrible day.  It's as if they are looking forward more to the time that they can say "I told you so" to their starving, diseased, or dying neighbors, then they are about the coming of the Lord.  They can't wait to turn away their hungry neighbors by the end of their assault weapons as they say, "who's laughing now".  It is quite disturbing. 

 

I cannot speak specifically about Roger Young or AVOW

Yeah, the reason they want guns is to keep the mobs from stealing their food. They want to protect their food from the hungry. It is almost the inverse of the scriptural command to feed the hungry. They want to shoot the hungry. They crave the law of the jungle and that they gave it a divine mandate lets them soothe any qualms they might have.

On top of that the idea of raving mobs and total political and social collapse is not predicted in scripture. The Joseph Smith translation of Matthew has the Savior talk of two events. The first is the destruction of Jerusalem where he gives practical advice to run when it happens, be ready, don't go back, etc. kind of lite prepper advice. Then he talks about his Second Coming and it talks about people being taken from the fields. Sounds like business as usual. Nothing about hiding in caves or bunkers. Well....actually there is a bit about caves but it is the wicked hiding in them. Hmmmmm......

[ERayR]

Yeah, the reason they want guns is to keep the mobs from stealing their food. They want to protect their food from the hungry.

 

Not me I want them to shoot squirrels, dogs, cats or anything else I might eat but am too slow to catch on foot.

Edited February 17, 2015 by ERayR

[Coreyb]

Yeah, the reason they want guns is to keep the mobs from stealing their food. They want to protect their food from the hungry. It is almost the inverse of the scriptural command to feed the hungry. They want to shoot the hungry. They crave the law of the jungle and that they gave it a divine mandate lets them soothe any qualms they might have.

On top of that the idea of raving mobs and total political and social collapse is not predicted in scripture. The Joseph Smith translation of Matthew has the Savior talk of two events. The first is the destruction of Jerusalem where he gives practical advice to run when it happens, be ready, don't go back, etc. kind of lite prepper advice. Then he talks about his Second Coming and it talks about people being taken from the fields. Sounds like business as usual. Nothing about hiding in caves or bunkers. Well....actually there is a bit about caves but it is the wicked hiding in them. Hmmmmm......

Aren't we all supposed to be marrying and giving in marriage? 

[The Nehor]

Not me I want them to shoot squirrels, dogs, cats or anything else I might eat but am too slow to catch on foot.

Yeah, in the doomsday scenario that does not work either. There simply is not enough to hunt out there and everyone will be trying.

Thankfully I do not believe that scenario will happen.

If it does I hope I have the will to die praying for manna rather then turn into a desperate animal.

[mfbukowski]

. The most rabid doomsday fans I met were in Kansas.

Oh is that where the AVOW people and Roger K Young hang out?

 

That was what I was talking about.  Funny, I didn't think there were enough members in Kansas to support those kind of groups much less be the "most rabid" LDS members.

[The Nehor]

Oh is that where the AVOW people and Roger K Young hang out?

 

That was what I was talking about.  Funny, I didn't think there were enough members in Kansas to support those kind of groups much less be the "most rabid" LDS members.

Living in Kansas changes a man.

[mfbukowski]

Yeah, in the doomsday scenario that does not work either. There simply is not enough to hunt out there and everyone will be trying.

Thankfully I do not believe that scenario will happen.

If it does I hope I have the will to die praying for manna rather then turn into a desperate animal.

No cannibalism for you?   You old softy! 

[The Nehor]

No cannibalism for you?   You old softy! 

Considering what the average American eats starvation might be preferable.

[mfbukowski]

Living in Kansas changes a man.

No doubt.

 

Unless of course you always lived there.

[mfbukowski]

Considering what the average American eats starvation might be preferable.

Yes I get what you're saying.  McDonald's is bad enough the first time around.

[Calm]

  They can't wait to turn away their hungry neighbors by the end of their assault weapons as they say, "who's laughing now".  It is quite disturbing. 

 

Hopefully more of them just want an opportunity to say "I told you so" and then they will invite them to share if reality ever hits and it is not the Mad Max type of crowds that show up at the door, but more along the lines of a woman who is asking for food for the three young children she is caring for along with her own child, the parents having died…the kids showing their ribs through clothes that are barely holding on.

Edited February 17, 2015 by calmoriah

[Calm]

Oh is that where the AVOW people and Roger K Young hang out?

 

That was what I was talking about.  Funny, I didn't think there were enough members in Kansas to support those kind of groups much less be the "most rabid" LDS members.

They were the only ones in the area that I knew.  They eventually moved to go start a commune in the desert (though they refused to call it a commune) based on constitutional and church principles, whatever that meant to them.  Lived in trailers, but had a whole town planned out with the hundreds of people that were going to join them.   Moved so never heard what happened to them.  Can't remember their name now to google either, maybe husband does.

[Calm]

Considering what the average American eats starvation might be preferable.

I hear we stink.

[mfbukowski]

They were the only ones in the area that I knew.  They eventually moved to go start a commune in the desert (though they refused to call it a commune) based on constitutional and church principles, whatever that meant to them.  Lived in trailers, but had a whole town planned out with the hundreds of people that were going to join them.   Moved so never heard what happened to them.  Can't remember their name now to google either, maybe husband does.

Wow.  ok

[freshandnew]

I am a convert and trying to learn all I can. I am confused by this apocalyptic mind set. What I have learned is that if I am righteous I will be brought forth in the first wave of elect to live with Jesus during the second coming of the millennium. I don't understand what living through an apocalypse, or why I would want to has to do with that doctrine? Please help me understand why people are preparing to live through that? What is the benefit if you are righteous and will live with Jesus in the millennium anyway?

[rodheadlee]

I am a convert and trying to learn all I can. I am confused by this apocalyptic mind set. What I have learned is that if I am righteous I will be brought forth in the first wave of elect to live with Jesus during the second coming of the millennium. I don't understand what living through an apocalypse, or why I would want to has to do with that doctrine? Please help me understand why people are preparing to live through that? What is the benefit if you are righteous and will live with Jesus in the millennium anyway?

Welcome to the board. I would say it reflects a lack of faith in the ability of Christ to resurrect them.

 

D&C 42:   46 And it shall come to pass that those that die in me shall not ^ataste of ^bdeath, for it shall be ^csweet unto them;

  47 And they that die not in me, wo unto them, for their death is bitter.

[DragonLancer]

I am a convert and trying to learn all I can. I am confused by this apocalyptic mind set. What I have learned is that if I am righteous I will be brought forth in the first wave of elect to live with Jesus during the second coming of the millennium. I don't understand what living through an apocalypse, or why I would want to has to do with that doctrine? Please help me understand why people are preparing to live through that? What is the benefit if you are righteous and will live with Jesus in the millennium anyway?

 

Well, its like anything else.  We hope for the best and prepare for the worst.  Like in any natural disaster, as a person into preparation, I prepare for the worst and hope for the best.  So, in my spirituality, I prepare to be spiritually ready to be taken if the Lord allows me to die.  Like Job, I say, "Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him: but I will maintain mine own ways before him." (Job 13:5).  If it's the Lord's will that I should live through all that, then I prepare temporally to keep myself and my family alive.  If we are not taken and we live through it, the Lord would expect me to not be negligent in providing for myself and my family until he comes.

 

So, the spiritual and the temporal preparation are both necessary, regardless of the outcome, because I have no idea which way the Lord will have it be.

 

I don't think it is necessarily a benefit to live through it.  Because people will be fine either way.  Its just that, somebody has to be left to perpetuate the line of mortal human beings in the millennium.  Some will be called to do that, while others will be taken and go on to a resurrection.  So, we have to be willing to prepare for the will of the Lord to be done in our lives, regardless of which way it is.  And if it happens to be that we live, then we suffer his will in the flesh, and we have to be ready for that.

 

Its kind of like the come come ye saints song.  No toil or labor fear...  And should we die.....   All is well, either way.

Edited May 13, 2015 by DragonLancer

[Rain]

I am a convert and trying to learn all I can. I am confused by this apocalyptic mind set. What I have learned is that if I am righteous I will be brought forth in the first wave of elect to live with Jesus during the second coming of the millennium. I don't understand what living through an apocalypse, or why I would want to has to do with that doctrine? Please help me understand why people are preparing to live through that? What is the benefit if you are righteous and will live with Jesus in the millennium anyway?

Preparation is a good thing. We know how Joseph in Egpyt prepared and how it saved many.

When DH and I felt the need to prepare we felt an urgency about it. We started to eat better because of it. We started to feel better. We started to have more faith and less fear. At some point we felt prepared - at least as far as the Lord directed us.

Since then we have heard about hurricanes and families who didn't have food in the house for 2 days. When DH lost his job for several months we had no fear about food and little fear about money because we knew we wouldn't have to spend it on food.

I think that is the difference. If you are fearing then you are not preparing. You are going beyond the mark as someone said above.

I think the church sees the disconnect here. I've seen a lot more from the church about living providently than being prepared the last 10 years. They also put in preparing spiritually as well as part of it when I always saw it as 2 separate things before.

[Rain]

Calmoriah - one thing you can do for your daughter is buy regular insulin. Last time I bought it you didn't need a prescription for it unless you are buying it through insurance. I much prefer the lantus and humalog/novalog I am taking now, but in an emergency it will be much better than nothing. And it is less expensive. I've done that at times.

One way to stock up on blood testing is to buy machines when they are on special often for free. Or look into a store brand that your insurance may not cover, but that run less than other brands. Use them, but continue getting your regular strips at the regular time (which now gives you stock of your strips) and then rotate those like you would food storage you are constantly replenishing.

Another thing you can do is ask your doctor if he will write an Rx for emergencies (it will need to be done different ways according to the med). I found out my blood pressure meds were only $10 at Sams. I got my normal dose through my insurance and then used the prescription to get several extra months worth on my own one month at a time. With our job loss and move having the extra meds was a lifesaver.

I know that won't work with everyone, because of expense of non insured meds, doctors who won't work with you and controlled substances, but it works for many who don't know there are options.

[Calm]

There is an Easy Touch that is tons cheaper for testing that the usual strips. Monitor is basic so have to write stuff out for doctor, paying $15 rather than over a hundred...excellent for storage, but one needs to pay attention to expiration date. My daughter hasn't used the extra stuff much in the past as she finds it easier to calculate in her head (and she has great A1cs so can't argue with that).

Same thing with stocking up on insulin. We actually have a good prescription that might give her an extra bottle a month if we paid attention to it. Have to check to see what the actual expiration date for novolog.

We ended up in the hospital with her last night due to her sugars being uncontrollable because of vomiting...going into the twelfth hour and it suddenly getting worse again made not waiting for three more for urgent care to open a no brainer, especially when it was remembered my dad died three months ago under similar circumstances because of dehydration. So I think we will be reviewing what we can do to be prepared for emergencies. We have been blessed in regards to her never going unconscious or even incoherent no matter how low she has been (it has shocked plenty of nurses and doctors, but appears to be a weird side benefit of her restless legs syndrome...low blood sugars wire her and wake her up instead of making her sleepy or comatose.

Anyway, we will look at getting our shelves stocked properly and as far ahead as possible.

PS: Zofran is one of God's miracles given to man IMO.

Edited May 14, 2015 by calmoriah

[Rain]

I hope she is feeling better today.  I'll take lots of colds and flu etc. over throwing up, especially when I've already taken my long acting insulin for the day.  It just gets too scary.