Popular Post Scott Lloyd Posted October 5, 2014 Popular Post Posted October 5, 2014 (edited) Sister McConkie of the Young Women presidency is speaking now. Interesting in today's context that she would choose to speak on sustaining the prophet as the only man authorized to make any changes in doctrine and on the Church being built upon the foundation of the apostles and the prophets with Christ himself being the chief cornerstone. We have the faith to submit to the word, the will and the timing of the Lord. Go Sister McConkie! Edited October 5, 2014 by Scott Lloyd 7
JLHPROF Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 Have to say, I didn't care for this talk. It borderlined on deification of the living prophet as opposed to his role in teaching the Lord's will. Maybe I'm just being picky, but after all the strides made last conference, especially by Pres. Uchtdorf, I really don't think another prophetic infallibility talk is beneficial. 4
Popular Post Scott Lloyd Posted October 5, 2014 Author Popular Post Posted October 5, 2014 (edited) Have to say, I didn't care for this talk. It borderlined on deification of the living prophet as opposed to his role in teaching the Lord's will. Maybe I'm just being picky, but after all the strides made last conference, especially by Pres. Uchtdorf, I really don't think another prophetic infallibility talk is beneficial.If that's how you perceived it, I can only say that you altogether missed the point. Honoring and following the Lord's anointed does not equate to the belief in their infallibility. As for the "strides made last conference, especially by President Uchtdorf," I'm reminded of one point he made in the talk to which I think you refer (although it was actually two conferences ago): As an Apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ and as one who has seen firsthand the councils and workings of this Church, I bear solemn witness that no decision of significance affecting this Church or its members is ever made without earnestly seeking the inspiration, guidance, and approbation of our Eternal Father. This is the Church of Jesus Christ. God will not allow His Church to drift from its appointed course or fail to fulfill its divine destiny. Link: https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2013/10/come-join-with-us?lang=eng This I find to be perfectly compatible with the sentiments expressed by Sister McConkie. Edited October 5, 2014 by Scott Lloyd 5
ERayR Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 Have to say, I didn't care for this talk. It borderlined on deification of the living prophet as opposed to his role in teaching the Lord's will. Maybe I'm just being picky, but after all the strides made last conference, especially by Pres. Uchtdorf, I really don't think another prophetic infallibility talk is beneficial. I did not take it that way.
katherine the great Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 Have to say, I didn't care for this talk. It borderlined on deification of the living prophet as opposed to his role in teaching the Lord's will. Maybe I'm just being picky, but after all the strides made last conference, especially by Pres. Uchtdorf, I really don't think another prophetic infallibility talk is beneficial.Hmmm... I didn't see it as a borderline deification--just consistent with the prophet's responsibilities and members' obligation to support him. The only criticism I have for her talk is that I wish she had credited Isaiah when she quoted him. To a person listening who was not familiar that scripture, it could have come across that she was speaking about herself and was pretty full of herself. 1
Senator Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 Se was obviously full of conviction and wanting to send a message. AND she was wearing purple.......hmmm? 1
Robert F. Smith Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 Hmmm... I didn't see it as a borderline deification--just consistent with the prophet's responsibilities and members' obligation to support him. The only criticism I have for her talk is that I wish she had credited Isaiah when she quoted him. To a person listening who was not familiar that scripture, it could have come across that she was speaking about herself and was pretty full of herself. The citations will of course appear in the published version. The Scriptural quotes and allusions came so thick and fast in her address that I was almost transfixed at the fluency of it, and of her ardent and articulate delivery -- very much in the McConkie tradition. I have only met one other Mormon woman capable of that, a long time ago, and far away.
Scott Lloyd Posted October 5, 2014 Author Posted October 5, 2014 The citations will of course appear in the published version. The Scriptural quotes and allusions came so thick and fast in her address that I was almost transfixed at the fluency of it, and of her ardent and articulate delivery -- very much in the McConkie tradition. I have only met one other Mormon woman capable of that, a long time ago, and far away.Of course, if it's her married name, she'd be an in-law. Just sayin'.
katherine the great Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 I have only met one other Mormon woman capable of that, a long time ago, and far away.Really? I guess we need to work on that.
Grudunza Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 I have only met one other Mormon woman capable of that, a long time ago, and far away.Princess Leia was Mormon, eh? 1
Robert F. Smith Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 Really? I guess we need to work on that. I've led a sheltered life, and the woman to whom I am referring was named Spencer. An extraordinary and authoritative woman of the first water. There must be others out there.
Senator Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 Princess Leia was Mormon, eh? Yes, and Pres. Kimball play the role of Yoda. 1
Glenn101 Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 (edited) The citations will of course appear in the published version. The Scriptural quotes and allusions came so thick and fast in her address that I was almost transfixed at the fluency of it, and of her ardent and articulate delivery -- very much in the McConkie tradition. I have only met one other Mormon woman capable of that, a long time ago, and far away. I second that opinion. And, in a way, I think that a gauntlet has been thrown down, or rather a reminder of one of the fundamental aspects of the gospel, that of sustaining our leadership, and that our leadership is called of God and that the Church is under the direction of God. Glenn Edited October 5, 2014 by Glenn101 4
ksfisher Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 (edited) Have to say, I didn't care for this talk. It borderlined on deification of the living prophet as opposed to his role in teaching the Lord's will. Maybe I'm just being picky, but after all the strides made last conference, especially by Pres. Uchtdorf, I really don't think another prophetic infallibility talk is beneficial. I didn't hear anything about prophetic infallibility in her words. I thought it was a wonderful talk. Edited October 5, 2014 by ksfisher 1
Senator Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 Interesting in today's context that she would choose to speak on sustaining the prophet as the only man authorized to make any changes in doctrine and on the Church being built upon the foundation of the apostles and the prophets with Christ himself being the chief cornerstone. That seemed to be the theme of several of the addresses. We heard alot about the role of prophets and our position to them.
ERayR Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 That seemed to be the theme of several of the addresses. We heard alot about the role of prophets and our position to them. Now the choice is ours. Accept or reject.
ksfisher Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 That seemed to be the theme of several of the addresses. We heard alot about the role of prophets and our position to them. The first three speakers Sunday morning; President Eyring, Elder Nelson, and Sister McConkie all spoke to a greater or lesser extent about following the prophet(s).
Senator Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 Now the choice is ours. Accept or reject. Well, its not that stark. Thankfully there's always E. Uchdorff to remind us that the church is inclusive to varying levels of testimony. 1
Senator Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 The first three speakers Sunday morning; President Eyring, Elder Nelson, and Sister McConkie all spoke to a greater or lesser extent about following the prophet(s). I admit that my attention to the addresses was not entirely undevided. Hence my following question. In addition to the numerous admonitions to "Follow the Prophet", was there equal if not suffient councel such as below? “I am more afraid that this people have so much confidence in their leaders that they will not inquire for themselves of God whether they are led by him. I am fearful they settle down in a state of blind self security. Let every man and woman know, by the whispering of the Spirit of God to themselves, whether their leaders are walking in the path the Lord dictates, or not. " Please take this as an honest question, with no intention to debate. 1
Scott Lloyd Posted October 5, 2014 Author Posted October 5, 2014 (edited) I admit that my attention to the addresses was not entirely undevided. Hence my following question. In addition to the numerous admonitions to "Follow the Prophet", was there equal if not suffient councel such as below? “I am more afraid that this people have so much confidence in their leaders that they will not inquire for themselves of God whether they are led by him. I am fearful they settle down in a state of blind self security. Let every man and woman know, by the whispering of the Spirit of God to themselves, whether their leaders are walking in the path the Lord dictates, or not. " Please take this as an honest question, with no intention to debate.Truth is truth, but emphasis and focus might change according to current need. Obviously, if you try to emphasize everything all at once, nothing gets emphasized. The quote you give here was uttered by Brigham Young in 1862 in pioneer-era Salt Lake City. The talks that have been cited or referred to here in this thread were uttered yesterday in general conference. Edited October 5, 2014 by Scott Lloyd 2
The Nehor Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 I admit that my attention to the addresses was not entirely undevided. Hence my following question. In addition to the numerous admonitions to "Follow the Prophet", was there equal if not suffient councel such as below? “I am more afraid that this people have so much confidence in their leaders that they will not inquire for themselves of God whether they are led by him. I am fearful they settle down in a state of blind self security. Let every man and woman know, by the whispering of the Spirit of God to themselves, whether their leaders are walking in the path the Lord dictates, or not. " Please take this as an honest question, with no intention to debate.I heard plenty about receiving your own witness of the prophet's role. I think that fits the criteria.
Senator Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 I heard plenty about receiving your own witness of the prophet's role. I think that fits the criteria. Ok. I look forward to reading the transcrips and documenting this for myself.
Senator Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 Truth is truth, but emphasis and focus might change according to current need. Obviously, if you try to emphasize everything all at once, nothing gets emphasized. The quote you give here was uttered by Brigham Young in 1862 in pioneer-era Salt Lake City. The talks that have been cited or referred to here in this thread were uttered yesterday in general conference. Not sure I understand your point.
Scott Lloyd Posted October 5, 2014 Author Posted October 5, 2014 (edited) Not sure I understand your point.The fact that a 19th century quote is not reiterated in a current general conference does not mean it is not true or that its emphasis was not applicable in the time, place and setting in which it was delivered. But in the current day and age, there may be other aspects of truth and doctrine that need to be emphasized more than what is expressed in the 19th century quote. Again, if everything were emphasized at every general conference (assuming that were even possible) then nothing would be emphasized. Edited October 5, 2014 by Scott Lloyd
ksfisher Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 I admit that my attention to the addresses was not entirely undevided. Hence my following question. In addition to the numerous admonitions to "Follow the Prophet", was there equal if not suffient councel such as below? “I am more afraid that this people have so much confidence in their leaders that they will not inquire for themselves of God whether they are led by him. I am fearful they settle down in a state of blind self security. Let every man and woman know, by the whispering of the Spirit of God to themselves, whether their leaders are walking in the path the Lord dictates, or not. " Please take this as an honest question, with no intention to debate. In my notes I have President Eyring as saying something to the effect that the Lord gives confirmation to those who follow his leaders (I'd have to listen again to get the exact quote). President Uchdorf taught, Saturday morning, that the Lord promises that we can know truth for ourselves, that God answers our prayers, and that we need to learn to listen to his voice. If we follow President Uchdorf's counsel in finding truth through our own prayers it means that, in doing so, we are following the prophet. Which it what President Eyring, Elder Nelson, and Sister McConkie are asking us to do.
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